I’ve mostly been pretty adamant about Sub being banned (along with Transform due to that being basically Imposter) and Shell Smash needing to be looked at. Also, I’m not sure if trademarks can be coded to be suppressed by NGas.
Definitely possible just not simpleAlso, I’m not sure if trademarks can be coded to be suppressed by NGas.
Ah yeah I forgot Strong Jaw is 1.5 rather than 1.3 -- Rain Dance would only be worthwhile for team support then. But it's not much of a loss, since Dracovish almost always wants to click Fishious Rend anyway. (And Dracovish isn't that good with status spam everywhere.) Speaking of mons that want their regular abilities in this meta, Magic Bounce Hatterene is decent given the prevalence of status and hazard spam:This might be good for team support, but it feels a bit suboptimal because the 50% boost of rain is replacing the 50% boost of Strong Jaw.
Why though, what's so good about the set? You gotta give us a reason to consider it, you can't just post it and expect us to understand.Ah yeah I forgot Strong Jaw is 1.5 rather than 1.3 -- Rain Dance would only be worthwhile for team support then. But it's not much of a loss, since Dracovish almost always wants to click Fishious Rend anyway. (And Dracovish isn't that good with status spam everywhere.) Speaking of mons that want their regular abilities in this meta, Magic Bounce Hatterene is decent given the prevalence of status and hazard spam:
Hatterene (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Psychic / Psyshock
- Mystical Fire
- Calm Mind
- Trick Room
This set would like to be able to run Dazzling Gleam for Hydreigon, but I'm not sure where to put it. Dropping Psychic means it can't deal with Toxapex, but maybe it isn't strong enough to be able to muscle past Toxapex anyway.
As for Substitute, here's a set that I absolutely hate having to run:
Primarina @ Choice Specs
Ability: reflect
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Sparkling Aria
- Moonblast
- Psychic / Shadow Ball / Energy Ball / Ice Beam / Hyper Voice
- Psychic / Shadow Ball / Energy Ball / Ice Beam / Hyper Voice
Which set? Hatterene is a good TR abuser/secondary setter that can boost with CM, but it's limited in this meta by its lack of good TM options; running MBounce means it doesn't have to worry about (and can even benefit from) the opponent's status/hazard TMs. TWave in particular is annoying for TR -- you can't afford to lose turns to paralysis. And Hatterene beats Toxapex and Ferrothorn.Why though, what's so good about the set? You gotta give us a reason to consider it, you can't just post it and expect us to understand.
Two things:Well finally found actual time to sitdown and right up.
First off I would like to announce the addition of a new council member in Chazm . He has been a great help for me in terms of making the vr for trademark (that is in the works yes and I hope to have posted by Saturday hopefully) and also notifying me of some major threats and also mons that are more constraining on the meta.
Now regarding that he had notified to one mon that needs to be banned in the form of Dugtrio, a mon another user had also brought to my attention who I admittedly did not believe at that point due to lack of support by anyone else regarding dugtrio. However between the replays they showed along with what chazm showed me and also a bit of what I may have watched myself, its clear that dugtrio's ability arena trap should go. Admittedly I was hoping ou would eventually go with the logical decision of removing it but it seems that may not be the case. So therefore, arena trap is now banned in trademarked. Tagging The Immortal to implement this change.
Regarding substitute moving forward I think I wanna take a better look at the mons behind the substitute and not necessarily substitute itself. As though some people complain about it some cases running the actual counter for the mon still works in terms of dealing with it . Though I also admit there are a few offenders that are more dangerous in this regard. Dragapult is one mon I am keeping my eye on especially not even just for sub sets but as a mon in the tier overall which (spoilers) is one of the mons currently ranked as S tier in WIP vr. Conkeldurr is another one especially with the return of knock off to its movepool for the ghost that previously forced it out.
As trademarked closes in its last week as lcotm I expres thanks for those playing and I implore you to give clear input to help me when it comes to ban, etc as I am not as readily able to ladder or watch matches for the meta as I used to be which is I was so thankful for chazms help lol.
There are many moves that have identical effects. Agility/Rock Polish, Recover/Softboiled, and Leer/Tail Whip are some examples. These complex restrictions are unnecessary. If Trick and Switcheroo are an issue as Trademarks then ban them.On another sidenote it was brought to my notice how Trick and Switcheroo essentially evades the single trademark clause as they are identical when used as trademarks outside of typing (which doesnt matter when used as a trademark) and the users. So now they will be properly fixed to not be usable on the same team as if they were the same move.