Uberfloat, a badly named, well thought out moveset.

Extreme Speed Arceus ruins this set completely. When an ESArceus comes in, it uses Swords Dance, survives a hit, and then proceeds to OHKO 90% of the Ubers with ES. So, if your Floatzel comes in to revenge kill it, then it better pack a really suped up Aqua Jet, because otherwise it will get annihilated.

I don't mean to seem like I'm bashing your set; that is not my intent at all. I think this set is actually quite amazing, especially since it utilizes a Floatzel. I am merely pointing out that Arceus WILL be able to set up, and it WILL be able to OHKO a lot of Pokemon, including Floatzel.
 
UberFloat sounds like Root Beer Float. I now dub this Floatzel's Root Beer Float set. XD Random names FTW!!!!

Nifty calculations, and an ingenious way to do it. With Kyogre rampant in ubers and Groudon mostly absent, Swift Swim becomes a very good ability, expecially on anything strong enough to capitalize on it. The only problem is no Priority attacks, which means anything with priority will still beat out over it (and I don't expect floatzel to live through an extremespeed off of deoxys-f, or a swords dance arceus STAB Extremespeed)
 
Yeah, ESArceus is pretty deadly, and I think once it gets a Swords Dance in, Floatzel dying will be the least of your worries. Taking care of ESArceus is a job that basically only Giratina and a defensive Steel Arceus can do well.

@Boa:

x099x said:
140 HP/Min DEF Floatzel (set above) takes 58.96% - 69.36% from a Naive 4 ATT Deoxys-F Extremespeed
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Yeah, but that's Naive and 4 attack. It may be the standard set, but Floatzel's not really standard. What about one with maxed attack?
And you didn't comment on if you like Root Beer Float or not. XD
 
140 HP/Min DEF Floatzel takes 68.21% - 80.06% from a Max Attack, neutral Life Orb Deoxys-F Extremespeed.

And as for the name.. haha, I suppose it could work if you don't want to call it UberZel.
 
I don't know much about ubers. I do know that making up names like that is terribly annoying. Please, just because we named a Garchomp set Chain Chomp doesn't mean you should all flock to thinking up ridiculous things.

My main issue with this is that it's frail Floatzel being used in a way not in its best interest, namely among a bunch of Pokemon that can take him out in a swoop. It is nothing but what you describe it to be: a revenge killer. I don't think I would spare it a slot on my team, I'd rather slap a Choice Scarf on something else with Pursuit.
 
I'm really surprised floatzel is so bulky it can take a hit off of 400-whatever attack +orb and shrug it off as max of 80%. *Checks Serebiidex and tries to make up a good OU set*
 
Mekkah said:
I don't know much about ubers. I do know that making up names like that is terribly annoying. Please, just because we named a Garchomp set Chain Chomp doesn't mean you should all flock to thinking up ridiculous things.
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I felt the same way about "Chain Chomp" and SpecsMence and Tyraniboah (I still have no clue what that is, other than some Tyranitar set).

I had to look at this one a bit to figure out what's unique...as far as I can tell, it's just a Garchomp that's intended to be able to special attack for surprise value?
 
Which nobody seemed to have done properly yet or even considered because they were all busy drooling over 130 Attack. How is this relevant to this topic anyway?
 
Well, if you think about it, it might not do such a bad job against Kyogre after all. Let's say that Kyogre is typically going to use Water Spout or Surf. if it's using Surf, that means that it's already weak enough for Water Spout to do less than base 90 damage, so Floatzel's Crunch might just do it in (unless it switches away). And if it's using Water Spout, Crunch would take away about 1/3 of it's HP, which might help Floatzel to survive another Water Spout. Floatzel's going to shrug off Ice Beam anyway, so the only worry he has is coming in on Thunder, but no one would be stupid enough to do that anyway unless Kyogre is weak enough to KO with Crunch.

So, yeah, people who know what this is are probably just going to switch out, but I guess it could work as a surprise Pokemon for a while. It's too bad Tyranitar and Groudon sorta mess this up. Fluber looks pretty good, though.

Oh, by the way, when you said that Floatzel would outspeed Rayquaza before a DD, did you remember to factor in Air Lock?
 
Mekkah said:
Which nobody seemed to have done properly yet or even considered because they were all busy drooling over 130 Attack. How is this relevant to this topic anyway?
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It's relevant because of the set name, which you commented on as well.

The rest of it is irrelevant (if no one truly had put a special attack on the thing before Surgo, that's sad, I guess) because I was a moron and forgot which topic I was posting in. Sorry, I guess I thought I was in the garchomp one (thus the "this" I used). : (
 
@Ishi: Yes, Air Lock was figured in. If Rayquaza didn't have Air Lock, this thing could outspeed it after two DDs. If only. :(

@Everyone: The name for this set isn't important, so while I do appreciate name suggestions, they aren't really constructive.
 
I actually had this exact same idea the other day, only with Kabutops:

Kabutops@Choice Band
Adamant
Swift Swim

Aqua Jet/Brick Break
Stone Edge
Waterfall
Night Slash


Wow, this is strikingly similar. Give him a speed stat of 220 and he outspeeds Deoxys-F in the rain. Stone Edge ruins fliers and Bug Arceus, basically anything kills Deoxys-F, Night Slash for Psychics, and Waterfall to abuse STAB and the rain. I took out 4 pokemon with it in one battle, I should have saved the log. Needless to say, you'll get some interesting reactions.

Unfortunately, like Uberzel, it gets walled by stuff like Palkia and Giratina. Still, it's fun as hell to use.
 
Ikaeru said:
This is only moderately relevant, but isn't max hp/max sdef (or something therabouts) the more common set in ubers?
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Hmm.. if this is true, then that means Waterfall is a guaranteed OHKO, which would prove very useful against Blissey.
 
x099x said:
Hmm.. if this is true, then that means Waterfall is a guaranteed OHKO, which would prove very useful against Blissey.
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It's true. In Ubers, Blissey usually won't survive any physical hits against it, so most people just run a 252HP/252 Sp. Def/ spread for walling stuff like Kyogre, the Latis, etc.... though, in a few cases I have seen some people use less Sp. Defense in favour for a higher defense, which DOES actually work. But for all intents and purposes, Blissey will usually have no defense EVs, which could make the set dramatically more useful.

Also, thanks for the credit for the name. Mekkah made a good point in that maybe we shouldn't be rushing to give something a "unique" name and jump on the name bandwagon, but in this case I'd say it's justified. This Floatzel set/EV spread is for use in an entirely different metagame, just as Tyraniboah was made specifically to counter the combination of Skarmbliss, and thus calls for a different name.
 
Just seeing OldSchoolNub's post up there, I'm beginning to wonder if Kabutops would be better suited to the job. More attack, a massive Stone Edge for the likes of Lugia and the crit chance could make it more valuable than a SE Crunch. ExtremeSpeed resist and much more defence. The only thing I can see in Floatzel's favour is the ability to outspeed Rayquaza, at which point I'd refer back to an earlier post - when is Floatzel ever gonna get in on a Rayquaza that hasn't DD'd?
 
Hyphy said:
So, if your Floatzel comes in to revenge kill it, then it better pack a really suped up Aqua Jet, because otherwise it will get annihilated.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Aqua Jet priority 1 while Extremespeed is priority 2?

Sure, an Arceus with an SD under its belt is going to wreak major havoc on a team if Floatzel stays in to deal however much damage it will deal, but why would anyone even consider leaving Uberzel (come on people, it's his set, he can name it what he will) on a full health Arceus? When it comes in, wouldn't you switch to Palkia or Kyogre or something? As was stated at the beginning of the D/P saga, no pokemon can be treated as a counter for everything anymore.
 
Cooper said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Aqua Jet priority 1 while Extremespeed is priority 2?

Sure, an Arceus with an SD under its belt is going to wreak major havoc on a team if Floatzel stays in to deal however much damage it will deal, but why would anyone even consider leaving Uberzel (come on people, it's his set, he can name it what he will) on a full health Arceus? When it comes in, wouldn't you switch to Palkia or Kyogre or something? As was stated at the beginning of the D/P saga, no pokemon can be treated as a counter for everything anymore.
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Precisely what I said earlier.. if an Extremespeed Arceus sets up a Swords Dance, your Uberzel is dying is the LEAST of your troubles.
 
it may survive a Mewtwo's unboosted Psychic, but I doubt it will survive his Thunder.

(does Mewtwo usually have Thunder? I don't play Ubers nearly at all, so I wouldn't know.)
 
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