And Fennekin just has a stupidly large head for such a small body. GF needs to do moderate body designs again, poor things are unbalanced and starved
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I kind of disagree with this line of thought. I think getting OHKO's with 4-6 boosts is better than 2HKO'ing things unboosted, because you only have to take hits during setup. And most of the time, the lead is the weakest Pokemon on the opponents team. Now, this only works if the setup mon is fast enough to outspeed the opponent's entire team though. For the Snivy line in particular, this shouldn't be an issue.
In major fights with big teams, setup isn't really inefficient either, in terms of turn count. Let's say the opponent has a full team of six, and you need all 6 boosts to OHKO everything. 6 turns setup + 6 turns attacking = 12 turns. Manually 2HKO'ing everything is 2 x 6 - 12 turns as well. The difference here is that the Pokemon that is getting 2HKO's is getting hit at least once by every opposing Pokemon. If it's a slow Pokemon, it actually has to take even more hits. So usually, Pokemon that aren't getting OHKO's aren't sweeping at all without heavy item support.
That's why the Snivy line is so controversial, I think. It's very lopsided, and it works differently than most other starters. It's very much geared towards long, drawn out fights with big teams, rather than route clearing. I like that personally, because it makes the Snivy line unique. I also think having good matchups against major fights is more important than being efficient against random trainers, but that's just personal preference. Everyone values different things in Pokemon.
I love Quilladin. Just look at it. It's stoked just to be alive. I fucking wish I was as optimistic as Quilladin. It seems fun.
i would kill for the egg middle stages (pignite, chespin). they look really cute and have lots of charm. fucking orb. peak design.
fennekin is ugly and braixen is too obviously on the "we made this design because we want to profit out of horny people" camp for me. delphox is fine, i wish it was more of an ugly hag witch though, would have looked cool
fennekin is ugly and braixen is too obviously on the "we made this design because we want to profit out of horny people" camp for me. delphox is fine, i wish it was more of an ugly hag witch though, would have looked cool
My unpopular opinion is that a lot of people who view designs like Lopunny’s and Braixen’s as OBVIOUSLY pandering to horny furries are just so terminally online in gaming/anime-related forums that they’ve lost touch with how most people look at Pokémon.
Yes, Lopunny is based on a Playboy bunny, but it doesn’t DO anything explicit or “disgusting”. I’ve never really bought the ‘its fur cuffs look like boobs!’ argument either. Maybe if they were crossed or folded? In general, I don’t think it’s a good idea to set a standard whereby a woman-shaped body is considered inherently and inescapably sexual.
Braixen’s much more innocuous. I don’t like it’s design because it looks like Fennekin grew an entire body out of its neck, but its only crime is having a few stereotypically feminine features while being based on a fox.
Of course, people can and do find ways to sexualise these Pokémon, but it really doesn’t take much for that to happen to a Pokémon, does it? I don’t understand how people can say with such confidence that GF are ‘pandering to filthy degenerates’ (or whatever vaguely fashy language you wanna use) when those same people would rightly accuse horny people on the internet of finding a way to sexualise pretty much anything.
Also I think people just wanna find another way to bash all furries because they’re the easiest punching bag on the internet. Can’t say I really understand furries, but that doesn’t mean I hate them? Idk maybe I’m just immune to this Puritanism because I’m gay.
Yes, Lopunny is based on a Playboy bunny, but it doesn’t DO anything explicit or “disgusting”. I’ve never really bought the ‘its fur cuffs look like boobs!’ argument either. Maybe if they were crossed or folded? In general, I don’t think it’s a good idea to set a standard whereby a woman-shaped body is considered inherently and inescapably sexual.
Braixen’s much more innocuous. I don’t like it’s design because it looks like Fennekin grew an entire body out of its neck, but its only crime is having a few stereotypically feminine features while being based on a fox.
Of course, people can and do find ways to sexualise these Pokémon, but it really doesn’t take much for that to happen to a Pokémon, does it? I don’t understand how people can say with such confidence that GF are ‘pandering to filthy degenerates’ (or whatever vaguely fashy language you wanna use) when those same people would rightly accuse horny people on the internet of finding a way to sexualise pretty much anything.
Also I think people just wanna find another way to bash all furries because they’re the easiest punching bag on the internet. Can’t say I really understand furries, but that doesn’t mean I hate them? Idk maybe I’m just immune to this Puritanism because I’m gay.
Im a furry and honestly? They 100% know what theyre doing and this is furry pandering.
Sure, they may not know the actual furry subculture, they may not even know what furry means, but they fully know that these designs are popular, especially with nsfw stuff. And they are right. Its perfect marketing, honestly.
Same reason quite a few of the main female designs tend to lean on "easier to sexualize". Note that im not saying theyre sexual by themselves, but its way easier to make nsfw outta most of them than bg npcs. And even then, not even npcs are safe (if you say that hex maniac design was just a coincidence youre either naive or living under a rock).
This shit sells, getting this stuff to work without compromising age ratings is super smart of them. I hate it though lol
For that matter, there's something I'll never understand about Pokémon (and in general), and that's people who dislike something because of what OTHERS might think of it.
So what if others find something like Lopunny "furry bait" as they say? What do you think of it by yourself alone?
(I personally don't really care. Heck, were it not for the entire flame war about it, I'd struggle to remember it exists)
It's as if I started disliking the Snivy line because the fandom sees it as feminine when I don't. Or that vore artwork I still have no idea why it even exists.
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I legitimately don’t even know which Hex Maniac design you’re talking about. I assume the Gen 6 one, I guess? Is it especially easy to sexualise an adolescent girl in a baggy black dress with Mary Janes? Easier than literally any depiction of a woman?
I can’t help but feel that naïveté is relative in this case. Maybe you’re right, but I suspect that many people would react in the same way that I would to that Hex Maniac design (“oh it’s a girl obsessed with spooky stuff”), and if enough people share that perspective, then maybe the designers did too. Is there some other connection or reference I’m missing?
absolutely, especially within japanese culture. I don't want to go "every single part of japan is devoted to sexualizing little girls and theres nothing else", because thats ignorance, but there's no denying that theres a big market for young girls in nsfw, having its own porn category. (The reason for that is way more complex than what a pokémon forum allows and honestly, gets into a lot of nsfw stuff that I think just cannot be talked about here. I dont know the line for these topics, but I feel we're on the limit here).
while not every design that fits the "very sexualized by fandom" is be done by purpose of course, there's quite an art and strategy on making designs that can still be consumed by most people (hence the not affecting age restrictions stuff) while also being easy to make a nsfw fanbase for it. it's just a win-win, because you get that extra attention that porn generates, while also not being the target of when people question it.
It can also be done so often that it becomes routine, something you dont think about, a character trope, if you could say. A lot of what we see in japanese media, for example, that just has that "hmm, suspicious" vibe isnt done exactly on purpose, but became so common that people got accostumed to it, and don't think much about it. There's quite a bit of critique done by some jpn people about it, and the conformism of japan in general, but thats another can of beans (i wish i had beans).
I hope this doesnt come off as "unga bunga japan bad", its just something that i find interessing to research about, especially the japanese perspective of it
Would it be such a big deal if Lopunny really had boobs? Nidoqueen has them and she jiggles them everywhere in hers Stadium animations, she even goes tits first when using moves like Body Slam on those games, it's hilarious. I don't see a problem with the sexualized mons, it will fly over the head of most kids and it's a sort of adult bonus to us. Let the designers have fun making a sexy roach and a dominatrix fruit.
Not really sure how being literally based off of icon of playboy, yk the adult magazine featuring partially nude and nude models, and being in an honestly way too provocative pose(at the very least in the 3d models they made its hands go up to its mouth instead of covering its chest so it's slightly better there) isn't red flags for a game that is largely and nearly exclusively aimed at children(even if there is an older audience it's an objective fact that Pokemon is marketed towards children).
Also I'll note that even as a gay man, Lopunny's overt sexualization is uncomfortable to me given the context of it being in Pokemon. There are plenty of more feminine pokemon that aren't sexual like Lopunny is, Kirlia(you can make the argument if Gardevoir was even supposed to be feminine at all given its japanese name but mega gardevoir very much is and is also a good example of a non sexualized one), gothita line, mawile(and mega), hattrene, Jynx, Roserade just to name a few
Nidoqueen is explicitly based off the icon an adult magazine and isn't inherently sexualized, having breasts =/= sexual (though on that I will question how Tsareena is even allowed when it's arguably more explicit than Lopunny is)
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Or you kept using Ember because Brock's Geodude and Onix have little HP or Special Defense that it doesn't matter if they resist.
Oddly I think Let's Go probably gives the "best" Legendary catching experience as you do have to defeat the Legendary first then comes the challenge of trying to catch it which you usually do in a few balls (though there is a timer and it can run away if you're unlucky and have to try again). I've thought of several ways they could make catching Pokemon, specifically Legendaries, more fun; one I thought of recently is that with each Poke Ball thrown, if it fails, it will at least add its modifier number to the catch rate thus each fail ball makes the Pokemon easier to capture. Also Legendaries I think could be given special "boss" battles with different mechanics to make catching it more interesting (also I'd just give them perfect IVs where it matters and a suituable Nature, they're Legendaries afterall so they should be "battle-ready").
I think the only reason many Smash vets hang onto Melee is because they have a netcode mod for Melee which is better than Ultimate's. If Nintendo actually made their netcode good then there would be no reason to stick with Melee (if you're wondering, this was the reason Nintendo sent a cease & desist at the Melee Tournament because they were using an modified version of Melee even though the mod was only for imrpoving netcode; otherwise they don't seem to have a problem with the Melee tournament though I'd imagine Nintendo would prefer them to use the recent game (BTW Sephiroth looks utterly OP broken, lol).
I like the Tepig family, granted I like all the Fire Starters but Emboar never failed me... except the one time I wanted it to one hit Ghetsis's Hydreigon with Hammer Arm but missed so I had to revive it and try again (worked the second time, but would have been epic the first time).
Well its Mega Evolution looks like its wearing ripped pantyhose if that adds anything.
... Not only are we on the limit I think you passed it... I think it's best we dropped this subject.
BTW, there's another reason why you may have seen the Hex Maniac sexualized. In XY, there's a Hex Maniac that sells you Moomoo Milk in Dendemille Town. While she doesn't say anything suggestive, the fact that this random Hex Maniac is selling you bottles of Moomoo Milk with seemingly no Miltank nearby has made some fans question where she's getting the milk... and other thinking of some "creative" suggestions.
Quick smash thing before i go back to topic: i dont really think so. Melee just has a lot going on for it, its a very complex game with some of the most insane and optimized combo game in the series. It plays pretty differently from ultimate and has its own sets of skill to test.
While most melee players do play ult, such as armada and hbox, they werent interessed in moving to ultimate even when irl tours were happening.
Sephiroth high tier for sure imo. Pikachu busted.
On topic: i dont understand why people want to make luxray a dark type. Because it has black fur? So that means its edgy and edgy = dark type...? Idk, it just doesnt seem to have the flavor for me, but maybe theres dex stuff that make it fit dark type or something.
Yeah, it's mostly because it looks as edgy as Absol (who, to be fair, also doesn't really have a good excuse to be Dark-type). Though it's Platinum & Gen V dex entries are pretty Dark-type things to do: "It can see clearly through walls to track down its prey and seek its lost young". So not only does it use its x-ray to find its prey, it then uses it to find its young and any other member of that Pokemon's group to also devour.
I think it's a combination of several other Dark-types being of similar build and/or having their Dex also focus on hunting (e.g. Mightyena, Weavile, Linoone-Galar, Absol, Theivul) and becuase Luxray gets a couple interesting Dark moves (fake tears, throat chop, thief), which is a lot more than can be said for the rest of its non-Electric movepool. Luxray's ability set of Intimidate, Rivalry, and Guts lends itself intuitively to Dark as well.
Glad I'm not the only one that remembers the legendary Mr. Stake. My hack references it in the Dex
Wait, how can you even assign a snake with no limbs? And also, I don't know where people get the feministic thing about snivy and it's line, because the theme was royal and snobby, so why get female out of a completely female thing? ( maybe serpintine's face? idk ) But really, making a big deal about this stuff and starting a bandwagon of hate against this is just going to make more of it like the de-legalization of booze in America, if you give something so much attention and make all thi stuff about it, it'll just become even more popular. We just need to leave those freaks where they are in the far reaches of the internet, this'll all die down and we won't be plauged with this "sexy" weird renditions of royal and snobby monster plant snakes that don't even have limbs in the later evolutions, and let this go. Ignore the fur bait guys, ignore the rabbits, ignore the snakes, just ignore this so it dies down, and we don't have to worry about this anymore.
Edit: By leaving this be I meant it in a way where we don't interact with it, don't give it attention, and just stop making big campaigns against it. Sometimes trying to isolate the plauge instead of curing it is better.
I agree with you, since in his dex entries he's supposed to be a noble lion, but ignorant people who don't know better see the pallet and say " Look at those eyes bro and his fur, he's like, soooo evil bro," and they see like that it hunts, like Ironmage said, so they associate with other dark types that hunt. They don't see the noble lion stuff, and focus on the other stuff. Also, having a early dark type like by the 4th gym is wack and kinda throws off the balance of the game maybe ( I'm not good at that field) Really, looking angry and a pallet doesn't make you a dark type, it's what you do, like how mightyena terrorizes people and liepard is spoiled and kind of a jerk and steals stuff.
Edit: Take clement's Luxray from the anime. Luxray is a good guy that always saves clement, and helps everyone else in the party, while the shadow triad's weaviles are assassins, doing shady stuff and taking out various trainers for a bad cause. Some dark types can be trained by the right people to become nice, but they fit better with other bad people, which is their nature, and this applies to luxray too, but as you can see in the anime it doesn't take a long time before he's present, friendly, and easy to adapt and be nice to the other buds. Also , his decks show him as a noble, caring guy that takes care of the entire ecosystem.
Here's a hot take: People hate Chikorita for the wrong reasons. It's a starter, yes, but in-game I don't want my bulky grass types to be sweeping everything. I DO want them to provide Para/Sleep/Seed support, as well as being useable on water routes. Chikorita only gets Poison Powder for status, which means I need to be using something with Hypnosis or similar for catches, and it's weak to Poison as well as being slow, so I can't rely on it against infinite hordes of Tentacool. Losing hard to Falkner/Bugsy is a big problem as well, but I could live with that. I can't live with trying to Hypnosis Raikou and missing every time.
Ok, I kinda get that, because the last people were saying that chickorita was good for all the wrong reasons, but you do you. A lot of people like using their starters as a mainstage guy, but this is a valid argument too. Having someon eto sleep powder a guy and put on some status is a great reason, but he will get outshined on water routes by raikou after you get him, so he'll mostly be there from support at the backlines, like a supportive dad that's been there since the beginning, cheering on his kids, because his old bones can't get going.
Edit: maybe it's just your luck because sleep powder has 75 and hypnosis has 60, so maybe it's just your luck bro. Hypnosis hates me too.
Because being poverty Electivire was a bad look even in Gen 4.
I need my boy to get some real moves, Game Freak!!!
Luxray or Electivire?I need my boy to get some real moves, Game Freak!!!
