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I don't find sobble cute and instead a bit weird looking (I know I'm gonna get a billion replies saying YoU'rE tHe ReAsOn iT cRiEs)
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Legit, the whole "Starters are forcibly made to a set personality" since Gen 5 has been limiting, and typically just flanderized by the anime. 5 ironically managed to deter it with the inverse for the anime, but mostly the scheme is already there
same with big head syndrome. RSE was pushing it, but then FRLG blatantly made Charmander and Bulba forcibly bloated
Sobble is both of these. Big head, and flanderized
 

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Since the BDSP leaks have made this a topic of discussion again, I just wanna say no matter how my opinions on that game change overtime I cannot and will not ever give credit to HGSS for "preserving Crystal's additions". The reason for this is simple: What even was there to preserve? Crystal did not make anywhere near the degree of changes to the original the likes of Emerald and Platinum did. Acknowledging Crystal was literally as easy as just shoving in a handful of Eusine and Suicune mini-cutscenes, and you cannot seriously argue that those would be enough to significantly affect the game's quality if they weren't around. I guess there was also the beasts getting remixes of their Crystal-only themes but every remake has remixed songs from the enhanced versions so that doesn't count.
 
Since the BDSP leaks have made this a topic of discussion again, I just wanna say no matter how my opinions on that game change overtime I cannot and will not ever give credit to HGSS for "preserving Crystal's additions". The reason for this is simple: What even was there to preserve? Crystal did not make anywhere near the degree of changes to the original the likes of Emerald and Platinum did. Acknowledging Crystal was literally as easy as just shoving in a handful of Eusine and Suicune mini-cutscenes, and you cannot seriously argue that those would be enough to significantly affect the game's quality if they weren't around. I guess there was also the beasts getting remixes of their Crystal-only themes but every remake has remixed songs from the enhanced versions so that doesn't count.
There was the odd egg and certain Crystal encounters like early game Phanpy and Sneasel in the Ice Cave. Granted, HGSS does let you obtain Misdreavus and Murkrow before Kanto, but you sadly can’t obtain Dusk Stone before the E4, meaning you are stuck with unevolved Pokémon unless you trade with the Sinnoh games.
 

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Since the BDSP leaks have made this a topic of discussion again, I just wanna say no matter how my opinions on that game change overtime I cannot and will not ever give credit to HGSS for "preserving Crystal's additions". The reason for this is simple: What even was there to preserve? Crystal did not make anywhere near the degree of changes to the original the likes of Emerald and Platinum did. Acknowledging Crystal was literally as easy as just shoving in a handful of Eusine and Suicune mini-cutscenes, and you cannot seriously argue that those would be enough to significantly affect the game's quality if they weren't around. I guess there was also the beasts getting remixes of their Crystal-only themes but every remake has remixed songs from the enhanced versions so that doesn't count.
HG/SS also preserved everything nobody wanted it to preserve. Strange, this all feels very familiar.
 

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HGSS actually removed one particularly great thing from Crystal, and that's that they got rid of Kris and replaced her with the inferior Lyra as the girl protagonist.

Kris is the OG girl protagonist and her inclusion in Crystal was a huge, huge deal back in Crystal's release. And she's a great protagonist design, she's just got that proper "Trainer out on an adventure" vibe in her design that really works.

HGSS for whatever goddamn reason decided to replace her with the infinitely inferior Lyra, who while by no means a bad design, is by all means a step down from Kris and also does a huge disservice to her since Kris was the very first girl protagonist in the Pokemon series and the ORIGINAL: such disrespect! Lyra isn't a bad design, per se, but she definitely doesn't have that Trainer out on an adventure to catch Pokemon and battle vibe that Kris nailed, and she's also inferior to Ethan/Gold who is also a peak protagonist design in and of himself.

That was an utter disservice to one of the biggest things Crystal introduced, I mean Kris deserves to be treated better than that. HGSS completely disrespected Kris and her legacy.
 
There was the odd egg and certain Crystal encounters like early game Phanpy and Sneasel in the Ice Cave. Granted, HGSS does let you obtain Misdreavus and Murkrow before Kanto, but you sadly can’t obtain Dusk Stone before the E4, meaning you are stuck with unevolved Pokémon unless you trade with the Sinnoh games.
HGSS didn't include early-game Phanpy, or Teddiursa come to that. Sneasel cannot be caught in the Ice Path in HGSS either. In fact, I'm not sure HGSS retained any of the tweaks Crystal made to Pokemon availability.

We should be grateful they bothered to include the Odd Egg at all, because otherwise it followed GS's distributions very closely.
 
HGSS didn't include early-game Phanpy, or Teddiursa come to that. Sneasel cannot be caught in the Ice Path in HGSS either. In fact, I'm not sure HGSS retained any of the tweaks Crystal made to Pokemon availability.

We should be grateful they bothered to include the Odd Egg at all, because otherwise it followed GS's distributions very closely.
The Odd Egg from Crystal ISN'T in HGSS, though. The closest thing to it are the slugma, mareep, and wooper eggs you can grab in violet city if you give Primo a certain combination of phrases that are based on your ID number.
 
HGSS didn't include early-game Phanpy, or Teddiursa come to that. Sneasel cannot be caught in the Ice Path in HGSS either. In fact, I'm not sure HGSS retained any of the tweaks Crystal made to Pokemon availability.

We should be grateful they bothered to include the Odd Egg at all, because otherwise it followed GS's distributions very closely.
That's what I meant to say, sorry if it was unclear.
 

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Since the BDSP leaks have made this a topic of discussion again, I just wanna say no matter how my opinions on that game change overtime I cannot and will not ever give credit to HGSS for "preserving Crystal's additions". The reason for this is simple: What even was there to preserve? Crystal did not make anywhere near the degree of changes to the original the likes of Emerald and Platinum did. Acknowledging Crystal was literally as easy as just shoving in a handful of Eusine and Suicune mini-cutscenes, and you cannot seriously argue that those would be enough to significantly affect the game's quality if they weren't around.
And yes they did that. They did those very small additions even though they didn't affect the game's quality. So BDSP, are you gonna include such easy/throw away inclusions? Oh, no, you're just gonna keep on following the blueprints of Diamond & Pearl even though Platinum used those blueprints and the sticky notes of what Platinum did are right there and you can easily implement without going off course... no, just ignore those, add in the major NPC's Platinum teams post game and everything will be a-okay!...

HGSS for whatever goddamn reason decided to replace her with the infinitely inferior Lyra, who while by no means a bad design, is by all means a step down from Kris and also does a huge disservice to her since Kris was the very first girl protagonist in the Pokemon series and the ORIGINAL: such disrespect! Lyra isn't a bad design, per se, but she definitely doesn't have that Trainer out on an adventure to catch Pokemon and battle vibe that Kris nailed, and she's also inferior to Ethan/Gold who is also a peak protagonist design in and of himself.

That was an utter disservice to one of the biggest things Crystal introduced, I mean Kris deserves to be treated better than that. HGSS completely disrespected Kris and her legacy.
I can think the only reason they changed Kris from Lyra is because they suddenly decided the player characters should resemble their mother and, well, Kris has blue hair. We'll just ignore the easy explanation that maybe the father has blue hair (or this is anime land thus that doesn't matter, or who's to say the player isn't adopted and it doesn't matter if they are or not), but for whatever reason they decided before Gen VI that was important thus out with blue-haired Kris, in with brown-haired Lyra. It's the only explanation I can think of.

However, even with her removal as playable character, she should have been somewhere in HGSS. Like, maybe make her a new "normal" rival since Silver isn't your typical Rival. Or if not a normal Rival, maybe a rival for the Pokeathlon. Because it is disrespectful to the first female player character to just leave them out because of a sudden character design philosophy change. At the very least she's in Masters (EX) so not totally forgotten.
 
HGSS actually removed one particularly great thing from Crystal, and that's that they got rid of Kris and replaced her with the inferior Lyra as the girl protagonist.

Kris is the OG girl protagonist and her inclusion in Crystal was a huge, huge deal back in Crystal's release. And she's a great protagonist design, she's just got that proper "Trainer out on an adventure" vibe in her design that really works.

HGSS for whatever goddamn reason decided to replace her with the infinitely inferior Lyra, who while by no means a bad design, is by all means a step down from Kris and also does a huge disservice to her since Kris was the very first girl protagonist in the Pokemon series and the ORIGINAL: such disrespect! Lyra isn't a bad design, per se, but she definitely doesn't have that Trainer out on an adventure to catch Pokemon and battle vibe that Kris nailed, and she's also inferior to Ethan/Gold who is also a peak protagonist design in and of himself.

That was an utter disservice to one of the biggest things Crystal introduced, I mean Kris deserves to be treated better than that. HGSS completely disrespected Kris and her legacy.
I like Lyra. I think she looks cuter. But I never played the original GSC, so that never bothered me. HGSS were my first Johto games, so Lyra is more iconic to me. But you do have a fair point. On the bright side, she and Lyra are in Masters, so she hasn’t been completely forgotten; not to mention her English Dub is Cherami Leigh, one of the greatest English VAs.
 
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The Johto protags are just weird. Gen II, we start with Gold as the protag, Silver as the rival, and they add in Kris as a potential replacement for Gold in Crystal. Fine, that makes sense. HGSS comes around, they rename Gold to Ethan(which wasn't even one of the default names in Gen II), Silver stays the same, and they delete Kris for Lyra. That's a lot of unnecessary changes.
 
I can think the only reason they changed Kris from Lyra is because they suddenly decided the player characters should resemble their mother and, well, Kris has blue hair. We'll just ignore the easy explanation that maybe the father has blue hair (or this is anime land thus that doesn't matter, or who's to say the player isn't adopted and it doesn't matter if they are or not), but for whatever reason they decided before Gen VI that was important thus out with blue-haired Kris, in with brown-haired Lyra. It's the only explanation I can think of.
The Gen 2 mom has black hair. Kris looks more like her than Lyra.
 

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HGSS actually removed one particularly great thing from Crystal, and that's that they got rid of Kris and replaced her with the inferior Lyra as the girl protagonist.

Kris is the OG girl protagonist and her inclusion in Crystal was a huge, huge deal back in Crystal's release. And she's a great protagonist design, she's just got that proper "Trainer out on an adventure" vibe in her design that really works.

HGSS for whatever goddamn reason decided to replace her with the infinitely inferior Lyra, who while by no means a bad design, is by all means a step down from Kris and also does a huge disservice to her since Kris was the very first girl protagonist in the Pokemon series and the ORIGINAL: such disrespect! Lyra isn't a bad design, per se, but she definitely doesn't have that Trainer out on an adventure to catch Pokemon and battle vibe that Kris nailed, and she's also inferior to Ethan/Gold who is also a peak protagonist design in and of himself.

That was an utter disservice to one of the biggest things Crystal introduced, I mean Kris deserves to be treated better than that. HGSS completely disrespected Kris and her legacy.
imo LGPE did a bigger disservice at creating Green, a different character who's not Leaf and adding up the confusion. Also, her "personality" is just throwing pokeballs at you (oh did i say throw? what I mean was the screen going white multiple times)
 

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imo LGPE did a bigger disservice at creating Green, a different character who's not Leaf and adding up the confusion. Also, her "personality" is just throwing pokeballs at you (oh did i say throw? what I mean was the screen going white multiple times)
Oh boy, this. NOTE: Before I begin & anyone points it out, yes, in Japan the original games were Red & Green thus, in the Japanese versions, Blue & Green names are swapped; for the purpose of this post I'm using the name Green when referring to the Leaf "counterpart" in LGPE since I'm from the US.

I think it's mostly agreed that Green & Leaf are the same character even if unofficially confirmed. Nowadays, when it's not a duo picture of Red & Blue, its one or the other shown with them when doing a Kanto Trainer Trio shot. I think it's most notable in Masters which has Leaf but not Green, BUT Masters also includes Kris and Lyra confirming them to be different characters. Also the Special/Adventure Manga just keeps her as "Green" as they technically introduced Green first (though the manga also does a strange thing where they made Kris wear Lyra's clothing for the HGSS arc thus combining the two characters, weird).

So, why did they have her as "Green" in LGPE? Well, my guess is to simply match with Red & Blue. Green/Leaf did not exist in Gen I and they never planned on having a choice of playable character. Sugimori confirmed this himself, explaining that Green just existed as a quick girl trainer he included on the cover at for the Gen I guidebook so that they could have all Starters with a trainer facing each other on the cover; she didn't even have a name then. This girl design would then later be used as the basis for Green in the Manga. When they made FRLG, Sugimori said they did take her into consideration which I guess means they made her have the same hair style & color. They gave her the name "Leaf" as I guess a way to point out that, yes, she's a Kanto protag BUT was introduced later on in the remakes (obviously the manga didn't care, only doing a little joke when they had a practice battle where Red & Blue (who, remember, is called Green in Japan) swapped their Starters (Venusaur & Charizard) and a character commented it was a battle between "FireRed & LeafGreen"). Anyway, her officially being called "Leaf" didn't really matter as she was never given an NPC role in the games unlike Red & Blue thus her identity was whatever the player named her just like Red & Blue.

Now we've come to LGPE. They decided to introduce new protags and rival which freed up Red & Blue being their own NPCs (well, Blue at least, Red was still as reclusive and stoic as ever). However, this gave them also a chance to officially include the third Kanto trainer, the girl whom manga's Green & FRLG's Leaf was based on. But, being these games were marketed toward kids who may not know the complex history behind this character, and maybe a nod to the manga, they decided to name her "Green" so that you would know she's meant to be a trio with Red & Blue, having the Blastoise.

I guess we now come to the personality issue. Those who played Masters will note that Leaf does not act like Green who is a bit weird. To that, I say just a result of LGPE taking place in its own continuity. With the change of protags and rivals, that also changed Red & Blue's roles with Blue being more friendly & a helpful mentor toward the player & rival (infact, Blue never even mentions or hints toward Red in the game). So I wouldn't take the odd behavior of Green in these games as meaning her and Leaf are unrelated counterparts of the same character (though maybe expect one day in Masters for Leaf to have a strange moment mentioning how she was younger she would try catching "people" and throwing Poke Balls at them).

Now with all that explained, have fun reading the arguments about Leaf & Green on Bulbapedia's discussion page for the characters. Leaf has the majority of them, while the only one Green has is asking why her page was split into its own thing, lol. :blobnom:
 
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Affection actually has some merit as a mechanic as long as you're facing the correct opponents. It gives you an out against extremely overlevelled opponents, which can give you a second chance from a losing position. It isn't guaranteed so you can't use it in your plans either; it's on the same board as a critical hit except a bit more potent. You all know that feeling when a crit saved your ass in a nuzlocke run? The correct affection triggers are similar except more thrilling because anime friendship power is fun

For instance, look at this monster.
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In my BDSP run against rematch maylene, I realize after medicham one shotted my tangrowth with high jump kick that none of my fighting resistless team can survive the attack nor outrun it. Considering I don't use items and set up moves (fk them, they're broken), I should've lost on the spot there (and be forced to use some protect / berry shenanigans afterwards) but the affection mechanic triggered and saved my ass. I won't deny that it made me feel really thankful for my empoleon there and increased my immersion in the rest of the match, knowing i can't screw up anymore.

Of course, this normally doesn't happen and the mechanic just stomps already easy matches or turn interesting fights into disappointments but it is not always bad, only about 99% of the time.
 
1) I really like Roaming Pokemon. It was genuinely fun having the travel all over the region in order to find and catch them, while using Pokemon and Moves I otherwise would've never used in order to trap and catch them. Gen 6's change of having them instantly flee before being static was annoying as even if it was difficult to catch a roaming Pokemon I'd usually catch them on my 3rd or 4th attempt, rather than having to encounter them 10 times before finally being allowed to catch them.

However, I will admit there is no excusing the flaws in their implementation, such as the various Glitches present in Gen 3, or how much of a hassle tracking them was in Gen 5.

2) If you remove the Wifi, X and Y are by far the worst Main Series Pokemon Games. While earlier Games might have less overall content, I can see myself replaying them infinitely more than X and Y. X and Y's story is terrible, the game is super easy, and it's far less rewarding to explore.

Now the PSS is incredible and the greatest thing since sliced bread. For all it's vices X and Y's PSS turn them games from meh at best to great, at least in Pokemon terms.

3) idk how unpopular this is but I really feel the Pokemon Anime sucks now due to how ridiculously stale it is. It was never a masterpiece but in the Original Series at the very least it felt like Ash is progessing and becoming a better Trainer throughout his adventure. Moments like him deciding to catch Primeape or gain Charizard's respect always stuck out as progress in Ash's journey. There were admittedly plenty of filler and stupid moments like Ash giving away Primeape, but at the very least the Anime felt like it was generally going somewhere

By the time Ash beat Gary and went to Hoenn, he's just really boring. His previous selfishness was a flaw but it a least let him have development. He's just what I can only describe as the excitable friendly Anime Protagonist Archetype, but has very little to differentiate him from that archetype (aside from moments of exteme stupidity). And in my opinion he doesn't work as a flat-arc protagonist as whatever he does never has much of a lasting impact, especially when he leaves the region. I will say that Sinnoh and Kalos individually were quite great due to other characters having arcs, but again in the context of the Anime as a whole they're just another region with little lasting impact. Also Tobias was BS.

By the time of Alola, Ash finally became a Champion, but by then it was just to late. It never felt like Ash worked up to this moment with now much stagnation (or regression in the case of Unova) his characther had. It was just a thing that happened, since it's hard to care about a story that keeps going on for the sake of going on. No disrespect to the people who like the Anime, but to me it's just been going through the motions for decades.
 
idk how unpopular this is but I really feel the Pokemon Anime sucks now due to how ridiculously stale it is. It was never a masterpiece but in the Original Series at the very least it felt like Ash is progessing and becoming a better Trainer throughout his adventure. Moments like him deciding to catch Primeape or gain Charizard's respect always stuck out as progress in Ash's journey. There were admittedly plenty of filler and stupid moments like Ash giving away Primeape, but at the very least the Anime felt like it was generally going somewhere

By the time Ash beat Gary and went to Hoenn, he's just really boring. His previous selfishness was a flaw but it a least let him have development. He's just what I can only describe as the excitable friendly Anime Protagonist Archetype, but has very little to differentiate him from that archetype (aside from moments of exteme stupidity). And in my opinion he doesn't work as a flat-arc protagonist as whatever he does never has much of a lasting impact, especially when he leaves the region. I will say that Sinnoh and Kalos individually were quite great due to other characters having arcs, but again in the context of the Anime as a whole they're just another region with little lasting impact. Also Tobias was BS.

By the time of Alola, Ash finally became a Champion, but by then it was just to late. It never felt like Ash worked up to this moment with now much stagnation (or regression in the case of Unova) his characther had. It was just a thing that happened, since it's hard to care about a story that keeps going on for the sake of going on. No disrespect to the people who like the Anime, but to me it's just been going through the motions for decades.
No I agree
I also liked the sass 4Kids gave him over OG, though after 2005 that has since expired since they stopped dubbing. Gen 3 was a good chance for him to be a mentor for May (he even initially scuffled for ideas), though she became a full on Coordinator
Gen 4 gets me cuz Ash is flat as heck already. The only reason people were interested was cuz Paul tried triggering the Rivalry + Chimchar. Though it's horribly one sided in retrospect
 

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I can argue that Kalos has a notorious lack of character arcs aside from Sawyer and Clemont...

But yeah, Ash is one of the biggest aspects that has dragged down the anime for me. Even in the movies, the 2 most recent ones (Power of Us and Secrets of the Jungle) stand out by having the plot revolving mostly around characters that aren't Ash, and that WORKED!
 

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Would it be a contrarian opinion if I said that my main incentive to watch the anime nowadays is less because of Ash and more because I want to watch it for the girl companions? (And not just the girls, but the other companions like Goh rn too)

I don't mean this in an odd way, but the main thing that still keeps me watching the anime is that even if Ash himself can be perceived as having stagnated, the feminine perspective is always nice to witness and seeing those characters go through their arcs is something I still appreciate from the anime even if Ash himself ends up boring. I know the anime team has an incredibly asinine reason for constantly rotating the girl companions out (eye candy for the boys...ugh what a dumb and shitty reason), but at the same time the fact that the main cast rotates members at all does, in a way, help keep the main anime a little fresh for me because even if Ash stagnates. The DP anime is by far the most formative series for me, and frankly, if you ask me, the main reason I enjoy it so much is not so much because of Ash himself, but rather because of Dawn. The Ash/Paul rivalry was one thing, but Dawn going through her own character arc was another entirely and one I truly enjoyed. Seeing her start her own journey and really grow in her skills and talents as a Coordinator was really fun to watch, and I really loved witnessing Dawn's journey throughout the DP series. She's a fun character with a ton of personality to boot too, and watching her dynamics with Ash and her own rivals (Zoey, Nando, Kenny, Ursula) was a treat.

The other companions that have been rotated throughout the series have frankly been more interesting to me nowadays than Ash himself. After OG, which was Ash's story, while Misty and Brock were just sidekicks, it's understandable if people think Ash has stagnated starting from AG, but on the bright side, the new companions he's had since, such as May, Dawn, Iris, Serena, the Alola gang, Goh, and Chloe have always been a treat to watch, especially since they have their own character arcs and are less sidekicks to Ash but rather their own characters as opposed to Misty and Brock being second banana and just being there to accompany Ash. Even Iris, who was more akin to Misty than May, Serena, or Dawn, had her own character arc in BW that while never reached its full potential, was still nice to see, and I was super happy to see Iris return in Journeys and to see Axew finally having realized its dream of becoming a magnificent Haxorus (which also was the explicit goal the village elder had for her when she gave Iris the Axew). I like the later series more because of the other companions like Serena, Dawn, Lillie, etc. who have character arcs of their own which were a treat to watch, not so much because of Ash.

Even the current Journeys series I enjoy, but it's mainly for Goh and Chloe, sure I enjoy Ash at times, but in recent times it's really been picking up with the focus on those two and not Ash himself.

In fact, I would totally love it ideally if the companions got their own anime series where we get to witness more of their journeys after they parted ways with Ash. I'd love to see what May, Dawn, Iris, Serena, etc. have been up to after they parted ways with Ash. I'd love it if May, Serena, and/or Dawn met along the way of their journeys and became great friends because I know they'd be fantastic friends, or I'd love to see how Iris's journey went from her leaving BW to her return in Journeys. I want to see how Iris trained and became a stronger Dragon-type Trainer, and how Iris's Axew trained and grew stronger and the journey it went through to evolve into a Fraxure and then the magnificent Haxorus that it is now.

I adored the little specials where I saw Cilan and Brock meeting, or when Cilan met Clemont and Bonnie, and I'd be down for more of that stuff down the line, even though I know it probably won't happen. Enough Ash Ketchum, let the companions get more spotlight! I wanna see where those peeps are now and what they've been up to after parting ways with Ash.
 
I honestly don't see what the issue with Tierno is. I do think the gen 6 rival group is annoying except for him though. Tierno was funny to me, he's the most helpful giving you free shit and he's the least up my ass. He's also the most interesting of the group imo
Agree with this wholeheartedly with the addendum that I actually really liked Trevor too. One of the many things XY handled badly is how their "main" rivals are stupendously dull while the two "minor" rivals manage to be way more interesting and charismatic even with less time in the spotlight. Tierno and Trevor could easily have been the rival duo in their own game, 4 all at once was overkill. Nice idea in concept, though.
 
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