Unpopular opinions

Yung Dramps said:
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Megas, in their current state and with the benefit of hindsight were a mistake. There's a world where they were actually properly utilized in boss fights and didn't get cut leading to several Pokemon that really did need them forever being crimped out of key buffs at the mercy of whenever the creators decide to bring them back. That world is not this one. Even if it was, they wouldn't have the immediacy and dependability of cross-gen evos, nor the worldbuilding contributions of regional forms. More Ursalunas and Wyrdeers, less Mega Garchomps por favor.
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Wait a minute, I love Mega Evolution
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With Legends Z-A on the way I thought I'd make a new tier list and wow actually most of these guys are baller once I set aside my (still justified tbh) griping about their removal and really think clearly about their design. First USUM, then liking Lopunny, now this. Wonder what overly dour and miserable old take of mine I will disavow next
 
twillight said:
imho, the only game that had a story worth paying atention was X/Y.
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#bait

WooperLeTrooper said:
BDSP and SV weren't that bad. Right? >_>
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I did play through BDSP to get the Mythicals mainly, but I barely recall anything of it tbh. More forgettable than bad for me.

I loved SV. I didn’t really experience any glitches. I’ve also always been one to not mind mindblowing graphics etc in games, its just a bonus if that occurs. I loved the actual gameplay and story.
 
Ransei said:
When will people realize the Kalos Power Plant is literally just a random power plant, out of many in the series? It has a locked door, but that doesn't mean anything. The basic description that can be read off the Kalos map already suggested it had no ties to a mythical Pokémon.

Same with the basic idea of a mythical Pokémon behind hidden away from humanity (aka not fueling the biggest city of all of Pokémon)

and Volcanion's dex entries on their own (as well as the power plant description) completely contradict the idea it had any ties to this power plant.

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Zapdos was in the Kanto power plant but it's literally just there to absorb electricity to feed itself. Nothing more. Otherwise, Zapdos is a random legendary Pokémon most people in the world of Pokémon know about. This is a bad example to use as a counterargument against my point and a bad point for trying to claim a mythical Pokémon was planned for the power plant.

We've been through the leaks. The game had 10 years to be datamined. The description of the power plant is there. Volcanion, with as little lore as it has, has lore indicating no real ties to this power plant. Rather the opposite in fact.

People have just been ultra coping for this random power plant just because Gamefreak forgot to unlock the door or flat out remove the entry. For all we know it could've been there solely due to Gamefreak planning on where the player would enter during Team Flare's power plant takeover, then decided to move the entry somewhere else and forgetting to erase their original spot. This is a more realistic scenario.
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Pikachu315111 said:
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Point is, yes, in the final game the locked doors in the Power Plant is just that: locked doors. People need to let go any notion there is anything behind them or it was like an event that never got released. No. It was decided before the game's release, when they were finishing up that location, that locked doors may as well be a paintings on rock outcroppings. It's purpose was to allude to the idea that, yes, the facilities you are seeing in the "distance" have a entrance leading to them and the power plant is an entire underground complex instead of just the few rooms the player had to concern themselves with. End of story.

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FINALLY! SANE POKÉFANS WHO KNOW :volcanion: HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE POWER PLANT!​

I am so fucking sick of folks thinking Volcanion has zero lore and therefore should be hidden behind a random locked room.

HAS NOBODY EVER HEARD OF THE LUMIOSE PRESS!? You can bring Volcanion there and talk to the editor-in-chief!

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A nation-building...: "On the XXth day of the XXth month at Café Kizuna in Lumiose City. In the southern part of the Kalos region, there seems to be a custom to revere Volcanion as a nation-building Pokémon. People seem to believe that a steam explosion caused by Volcanion created the plain where they live. As a matter of fact, a huge mountain range suddenly disappeared due to an unexplained explosion in that part of the region in the past..."
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It's not a lot, but I wouldn't say it has zero lore.
 
Yung Dramps said:
instead of bloating all the encounter tables and wheeling out nonsense like Champion Blue with Eternatus and Arceus (THIS IS WHAT RADICAL RED FANS ACTUALLY PLAY).
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By the way, I complained about this game design, because i was stuck on the stupid lorelei battle with a Calyrex ice and i couldn't
override the hail and someone said to me, along the lines of "You're playing the game wrong by using only 9 pokemon to beat the game. You're supposed to teambuild, spend some time in the team builder to defeat each mon."
But here's the thing. I don't want to have to do that to beat a pokemon game. Come on, you're spending half an hour, on a damage calculator for CPU battles. Call me biased, but that's not what I want to do, scour the entire living Dex over and over and train them all to beat each team of pokemon. At which point I might as well play ND Ubers.
 
KalosianPorygon said:

FINALLY! SANE POKÉFANS WHO KNOW :volcanion: HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE POWER PLANT!​

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I assume people associated Volc with the Kalos power plant bc I dunno hydraulic energy? Even though the Power Plants are located on a desertic area with no water around...

Oh and since the difficulty topic seems to be popping up again, I wanted to point out. The official games got away with Ultra Necrozma, a boss that requires specific set combos to get around with, and there's quite the debate if that's good boss design or not...For me personally, I COULD consider it good, if the game's difficulty curve followed upon that, but nah. After Ultra Necrozma everything that remains in the main story is undewhelming by comparison. So if someone doesn't know the strats for Necrozma and beats it by just powering through it, then that team is likely pretty overpowered to deal with any boss after it with a lot of ease and not in a good way...
 
KalosianPorygon said:
HAS NOBODY EVER HEARD OF THE LUMIOSE PRESS!? You can bring Volcanion there and talk to the editor-in-chief!



It's not a lot, but I wouldn't say it has zero lore.
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To be fair, it’s easy to see why people wouldn’t be aware of that — it’s a couple of texts hidden away behind an unremarkable NPC in a nigh-functionless office room in the otherwise massive Lumiose City, and by the time Volcanion was revealed/distributed, ORAS were the newest games rather than XY, so a lot of people probably received Volcanion on their ORAS cart, where taking it to the nigh-functionless Mauville TV station instead lets you “watch” (that is, read) some old tapes of Pyramid King Brandon having some silly close encounters with Volcanion, with nothing being mentioned about it being a nation-building Pokémon.
 
Esserise said:
To be fair, it’s easy to see why people wouldn’t be aware of that — it’s a couple of texts hidden away behind an unremarkable NPC in a nigh-functionless office room in the otherwise massive Lumiose City, and by the time Volcanion was revealed/distributed, ORAS were the newest games rather than XY, so a lot of people probably received Volcanion on their ORAS cart, where taking it to the nigh-functionless Mauville TV station instead lets you “watch” (that is, read) some old tapes of Pyramid King Brandon having some silly close encounters with Volcanion, with nothing being mentioned about it being a nation-building Pokémon.
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And to add on to that, the distribution of the thing for most people dropped when it was a bit over a month prior to its debut generation coming to its end. It was probably getting drown in Alola hype especially when their demo dropped at roughly the same time frame Western players were even able to get serial codes.
 
KalosianPorygon said:
As a matter of fact, a huge mountain range suddenly disappeared due to an unexplained explosion in that part of the region in the past..."
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Ok, can we take a moment to discuss exactly how absurd this is? The most powerful nuclear weapon ever detonated would have left a fairly modest dent in a single mountain. To wipe out an entire mountain range (a 'huge' one at that) would require energy on the order of the impact event that wiped out the dinosaurs - and would have similar globally catastrophic consequences. Like, massive earthquakes and tsunamis ravaging the entire world, followed by a rain of debris as chunks of mountain are recaptured by the planet's gravity and rain from the sky like meteorites, followed by a cloud of dust and debris enveloping the world and plunging it into an ice age kind of consequences, and yet this dude mentions it in passing as a minor event and nowhere else is it brought up.
 
Blue glass said:
Tyranitar can make mountains crumble using earthquakes and Macgargo is hotter than the surface of the sun. It's dex logic.
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I think the main difference here is that it isn't a Dex entry. I definitely subscribe to the idea that the Dex entries are written by the literal child player character who sometimes just makes shit up or heavily exaggerates. When it comes to Volcanion apparently leveling an entire mountain range, that doesn't come from the unreliable player character but rather the editor of a newspaper. It could still be bullshit though, like people unironically believing aliens carved the pyramids with space lasers or whatever. Maybe the editor is the Pokemon world equivalent of a QAnoner.

Also people (including past versions of me) overblow the Magcargo thing. The surface of the sun is 'only' ~5800K, which is about 5 times hotter than the hottest surface lava ever recorded on Earth. It's hot as fuck, it would kill you if you were too close to it, and it would slowly melt its way into the mantle of the Earth, but it wouldn't instantly vaporize everything within a 10-mile radius or any of the other ridiculous things people say. Being 'as hot as the surface of the sun' does not mean releasing as much energy as the surface of the sun (turns out most of the energy the sun produces doesn't come from the surface, who'd have guessed). People assume the physics work out the same way as if you magically teleported a Magcargo-sized chunk of the sun to the earth, but that's just not the case.

The real danger is if you send your Magcargo out in water, which could potentially cause a massive littoral explosion that would probably result in a very unpleasant death for anything nearby. Turns out that 4x weakness to Water goes both ways.
 
Divine Retribution said:
I think the main difference here is that it isn't a Dex entry. I definitely subscribe to the idea that the Dex entries are written by the literal child player character who sometimes just makes shit up or heavily exaggerates. When it comes to Volcanion apparently leveling an entire mountain range, that doesn't come from the unreliable player character but rather the editor of a newspaper. It could still be bullshit though, like people unironically believing aliens carved the pyramids with space lasers or whatever. Maybe the editor is the Pokemon world equivalent of a QAnoner.

Also people (including past versions of me) overblow the Magcargo thing. The surface of the sun is 'only' ~5800K, which is about 5 times hotter than the hottest surface lava ever recorded on Earth. It's hot as fuck, it would kill you if you were too close to it, and it would slowly melt its way into the mantle of the Earth, but it wouldn't instantly vaporize everything within a 10-mile radius or any of the other ridiculous things people say. Being 'as hot as the surface of the sun' does not mean releasing as much energy as the surface of the sun (turns out most of the energy the sun produces doesn't come from the surface, who'd have guessed). People assume the physics work out the same way as if you magically teleported a Magcargo-sized chunk of the sun to the earth, but that's just not the case.

The real danger is if you send your Magcargo out in water, which could potentially cause a massive littoral explosion that would probably result in a very unpleasant death for anything nearby. Turns out that 4x weakness to Water goes both ways.
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My bad, I missed the fact the npc is the editor in chief so her assertion that "a huge mountain range suddenly disappeared due to an unexplained explosion in that part of the region in the past" is probably verified in some way and not just a regional myth of something that happened hundreds of years ago (As an aside she wouldn't need to be a QAnoner, even well regarded publications have slop in their pages from time to time).

My problem with Macgargo was never that it would incinerate everything around it, we reach way higher temperatures in particle accelerators and we never caught on fire because of them. My problem with it is how a living being sustain such high internal temperature, the metabolism requirements would be crazy. The counter to that is the Pokémon world has incredible beings such as ghosts and magical tapirs that feed on dreams but Macgargo is just a dumb snail.
 
Blue glass said:
My bad, I missed the fact the npc is the editor in chief so her assertion that "a huge mountain range suddenly disappeared due to an unexplained explosion in that part of the region in the past" is probably verified in some way and not just a regional myth of something that happened hundreds of years ago (As an aside she wouldn't need to be a QAnoner, even well regarded publications have slop in their pages from time to time).

My problem with Macgargo was never that it would incinerate everything around it, we reach way higher temperatures in particle accelerators and we never caught on fire because of them. My problem with it is how a living being sustain such high internal temperature, the metabolism requirements would be crazy. The counter to that is the Pokémon world has incredible beings such as ghosts and magical tapirs that feed on dreams but Macgargo is just a dumb snail.
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Presumably the same way any other fire type does, magic bullshit infinity energy.
 
Blue glass said:
My problem with Macgargo was never that it would incinerate everything around it, we reach way higher temperatures in particle accelerators and we never caught on fire because of them. My problem with it is how a living being sustain such high internal temperature, the metabolism requirements would be crazy. The counter to that is the Pokémon world has incredible beings such as ghosts and magical tapirs that feed on dreams but Macgargo is just a dumb snail.
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Oh yeah, biology and thermodynamics are pretty much impossible to preserve when discussing Pokemon. Living superheated magma snail makes no sense but neither does sentient magnet creature or ethereal soul-stealing ghost or time-traveling onion fairy.
 
Divine Retribution said:
Ok, can we take a moment to discuss exactly how absurd this is? The most powerful nuclear weapon ever detonated would have left a fairly modest dent in a single mountain. To wipe out an entire mountain range (a 'huge' one at that) would require energy on the order of the impact event that wiped out the dinosaurs - and would have similar globally catastrophic consequences. Like, massive earthquakes and tsunamis ravaging the entire world, followed by a rain of debris as chunks of mountain are recaptured by the planet's gravity and rain from the sky like meteorites, followed by a cloud of dust and debris enveloping the world and plunging it into an ice age kind of consequences, and yet this dude mentions it in passing as a minor event and nowhere else is it brought up.
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This is the same series in which a bomb was detonated in a lake, displacing all the water in it and causing an explosion large enough to be felt on the other side of the country, but not doing any visible damage to any of the people or places right next to it
 
QuentinQuonce said:
This is the same series in which a bomb was detonated in a lake, displacing all the water in it and causing an explosion large enough to be felt on the other side of the country, but not doing any visible damage to any of the people or places right next to it
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AztecCroc said:
Or the lakeshore for that matter.
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Or its Pokémon. The Magikarp are still alive, just Splashing around. :magikarp:
 
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