Metagame USUM Pure Hackmons

[Eyeos]

Sample testing 2
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Well we aren’t taking more samples and the only sample worthy team is already added but I spent months on this so idc. I have 8 teams instead of 9 like last one but most of the new teams suck so uhhhhhhh. Also I didn’t get first since there’s only 2 team I could realistically push with. All teams are rated using the Meloetta scale™ and no team will be looked at by the council because the only one that could be a sample already is one. If this ever happens again I’m limiting every user to 1 sample submission only to stop the spam of teams that happened so please only submit stuff if you did extremely well with it like topping ladder or an insane win streak or tournament wins.

https://pokepast.es/0e66bf49c0dc226a Second best team. It’s quite good but it’s horribly unoptimized. Firstly the mmy is an mmy for pretty much no reason since you have 0 attacks that use attacking stats so deo s is just better here since it doesn’t speed tie other mmy and is faster then deo a. The only reason this could be mmy is surprise factor but this is a sample team so surprise factor is useless. Kyurem black does do nice things for the team but it definitely shows be Kyurem white instead since I’m clicking special attacks 90% of the time. The rest of the team is standard good pokemon no real complaints besides I want recovery on blissy. Overall one of the 2 teams I would actually recommend using.

7 Meloettas™/10

https://pokepast.es/03906cc4ab7e9a28 this is not a good team. Honestly even do its called offence killer it loses horribly to ho since mmx clicks photon for free since celest can’t do anything to actually stop it from fishing for crits and gengar kills everything here eventually since muk has horrible recovery and raw ice beam does 25. Lovely kiss muk is really cool because it doesn’t absolutely nothing in most games. You have 2 mons with shell smash and the rest of the team does nothing with sub. On top of that because of how sleep works most of the time nothing happens when u actually land a kiss (if you miss you die instantly to any pokemon with an attack stat) since 1 turn sleep obviously do nothing to help u progress but 2 turns let you get a baton pas right? Well they wake up on the turn you baton passed so your sub gets broken and nothing happened. So if you want to make progress with muk you need to land lovely kiss and then get 3 turn sleep to get 1 shell smash which odds are you’re just going to get innards anyways. There’s also the first of the long line of magic guard users that can’t beat blissy since your only physical attack on your mmx is pursuit. You’re not killing even min defence blissy as the magic guard of the team 252 Atk Mewtwo-Mega-X Pursuit (40 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0- Def 0 IVs Blissey: 623-733 (87.2 - 102.6%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO (max def takes 16%). In conclusion this team really wants literally everything to go right for it to function properly and even then you’re going to lose to imposter anyways since nothing is imp proofed properly.

4 Meloettas™/10

https://pokepast.es/2dc24f33d8e39efa third best team but that’s not really all that impressive. You run into the problem where nothing really wants to fight any wg at all pretty much besides kart but nothing really stops mmx from clicking photon and getting a kill whenever it switches in. There’s also 3 focus sash on this team and 0 hazard removal or prevention which obviously sucks. The prank kart really does nothing if the opponent knows what’s coming since it can’t exactly switch in on anything and there’s about à million walls for it. You have pretty much a 0% chance to actually win vs stall since ur kart is ur only breaker and unless they have literally nothing for it you lose. Having 3 moon users suck since ur not doing anything to Meloetta and if you see muk on team preview forfeit immediately you have 1 pokemon to deal damage to that thing. It’s good into ho I will say that much. Having 4 mons faster than deo s helps you a lot in that mu. Overall its usable but I don’t recommend this at all

5 Meloettas™/10

https://pokepast.es/0e505d8f29795ac9
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7purehackmons-2471331221-vb4q6b3ii3w49jcmlno6xwj946bf9wnpw

6 shedinjas/10

https://pokepast.es/dd48917ee214bbe7 this is already on the samples so not really any reason to talk about it. It’s the best team for sure do so that’s good.

9 Meloettas™/10

https://pokepast.es/c207893b07b864d8 this is like pretty dam bad. It’s first 4 mons are pretty standard sets and do ok but the rest make the team so bad omg. This is the second magic guard that got walled by blissy with Groudon 252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Sunsteel Strike vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 303-357 (42.4 - 50%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO (ur not hitting the 0.4) and it’s the fakest imp proof ever 252 SpA Earth Plate Groudon-Primal Judgment vs. +1 252 HP / 252- SpD Groudon-Primal: 272-324 (38 - 45.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO (the +1 is eviolite) 252 SpA Groudon-Primal Mind Blown vs. 252 HP / 252- SpD Groudon-Primal: 128-151 (31.6 - 37.3%) -- 86.3% chance to 3HKO. Gigas got a total of 0 kills overall. Even in its strongest possible state it does the same damage as huge power slack after an evoboost which is way easier to get and slacking gets to do things outside of evoboost. It’s not good you’re basically running a 4 mon team in a lot of games.

3 Meloettas™/10

https://pokepast.es/784ca8ca5a13e58d this team sucks. If you want an example of how bad this team is let me show you the lobunny imp proof. You may think cuno traps and kills it right? Well you forgot that lobunny can sing then setup 3 layers of spikes and once they’re done they just gastro you and you lose stag and so your “imp proof” is imposter getting 3 layers of spikes for free. Cuno does absolutely nothing on this team besides technically not losing to no guard but in reality no guard sets rocks and then you lose instantly to kart since raw sunsteel does 50% to bisharp. This feels like it wants to be an ho team but cuno kills all your momentum whenever it in. You have no innards and terrible walls so ho is bad mu. You have 0 stall breakers besides ray if somehow the moon wall isnt running magic coat and it’s also not running spectral and it’s also not running anything else that can take ray 1v1. Hell even ball probably wins vs this since again all ur walls suck. Team no good.

3 Meloettas™/10

https://pokepast.es/9a228a7210cc03e7 the final team and it’s like ok I guess. I didn’t test this one as much as the others since sample testing closed while I was using it. The third of the holy trinity of magic guards that lose to blissy 252 Atk Beedrill-Mega U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 253-298 (35.4 - 41.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO. Mmx should probably be kart but it’s fine as it is. My problem with this team is that it’s not really good at anything it’s just ok (besides beedrill that just sucks) there’s not really a switch in to mmx and it has a lot of potential ways in (scarf locked mmy, beedrill, blissy, kyorge) so it kinda forces innards which isn’t the best when ur imp proofs are not all that good +2 252+ Atk Huge Power Slaking Sunsteel Strike vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Kyogre-Primal: 235-277 (58.1 - 68.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252 SpA Parental Bond Mewtwo-Mega-Y Photon Geyser vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Kyogre-Primal: 141-168 (34.9 - 41.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO. Overall it doesn’t have huge flaws but it doesn’t really have anything that it really excels at so it’s fine.

5 Meloettas™/10

So that’s all of em I guess. Idk what else to say other then make better teams cus this mostly sucked one of the only 2 good teams is also the oldest sample submission so that kinda shows that in general submissions have been getting worse and worse. Do better you all get

3 Meloettas™/10

 

[PenultimateToast]

mamoswine



this mon is good. definitely not the psychosis induced hallucination ntothen says it is. atp i think everyone knows what the point of it is, use its typing and a balloon to wall most forms of no guard, but it still isn't thought very highly of because people think "all it does is wall no guard and so it's a waste of a teamslot". i don't think this is true however. magic bounce is extremely important on stall and against opposing stall teams idt having mamoswine compared to something else hinders you that much, not having a great mu into opposing mbouncers is kind of a non issue when you have shed shell imp and potentialy innards in the back and you are still fine into most defensive mons who run hazards or status. other magic bouncers are also not great walls to offensive mons themselves, zygarde the most common one only really walls taunt arceus and some non huge power physical attackers like wg kartana and because of its bulk can switch into shit to scout but you have imp for this and depending on the team it doesn't matter too much anyways, and imo walling no guard is more valuable. no guard is really silly in that it can force hazards, chip and mons to sleep which allows for teamates to break and magic coat is not a great solution because you have to be in on the coat mon and actually clicking coat which is highly exploitable by a competant player and leads to games being decided by mind games which are not in your favour. stopping rocks from going up reliably also means rock weak teamates become better options, in paticular ho-oh that mon is really solid with both prank and wg ignoring that rocks weakness.


team i made recently with mamoswine. synopsis is basically you have 2 innards for the big guys or random things you don't have an answer for, mbounce mamoswine for defensive hazard or status guys and to prevent no guard from pulling any bullshit and wg ho-oh and maud who are good at dealing with "smaller stuff" and ho-oh benefiting from mamoswine blocking rocks. i have had quite a bit of success with this team in friendlies tho you will kind of have to take my word for it because i lack replays, but with the nature of stall it is obvious how most games will pan out on preview and most of the non stall teams i have seen recently have had negative match ups into this team just because it isn't very likely they will carry 3 pokemon the team cannot handle and atp in the meta no guards are not prepping for mamoswine although it could definitely be a possibility. idrk how the stall mu works, i played 2 games vs stall one of them my opponent lost because they sold insanely hard but it seemed winnable to begin with and the other my opponent couldn't be bothered to play by 100 turns but it was looking like it'd be a tie, you'd have to ask like child of night or someone bit when you have 2 innards, shed shell imp and an mbouncer with koff and hazard i don't think it could go terribly wrong. also goobs a lot of the samples winning automatically into all except for i think the stalls and mmx spam (which is winnble as long as you manage to innards the correct 2 mmx) and gold's team (which is a win once you innards huge power kartana, yes you have to worry about mg kart but you have a lot of room considering ho-oh and imp amd if you get any chip on huge power kartana it's wraps.

replays i do have (not amazing but whatever)

note: a lot of these games mamoswine des nothing over a regular bouncer but it goes to show that having it isn't a huge disadvantage in those games. all of these are games vs real people in friendlies or room tours but i see no reason why this couldn't go something like 45-0 on ladder like my other stall.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7purehackmons-2486855031-0t0xigleht7hqxstnps67ptp9eoqss6pw kyurem white offense which gets absolutely goobed on preview thanks to mamoswine and you don't even need either of the 2 innards.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7purehackmons-2486989226-yeox88u2tw856hwcui3nnfcxef7u4njpw
pikachu team, the only guy who wins is huge power mmx who dies to innards and you have a spare who you will probably use on mold mmx bc of rocks though it also bullies ash gren so this mu is an instant win.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7purehackmons-2486995695-cchgi2pkr1ljdvfkxhp2hk2l8gbw7rwpw
diamancie, one guy who wins and there's 2 innards so it's pretty obvious what happens. unrelated to the post but PLEASE remove diamancie i do not think this is a good team at all nevermind a sample, loses to every defensive team ever because mmx dies to.innards/stag and diancie loses to every sunsteel resist ever and loses to offense because all you have is evio imp and non fake out diancie and melo isn't coat.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7purehackmons-2486948603-v09ei6r4k290teptshtq8n74yodq9d2pw
i already explained how the mu vs gold's team works, and it's in the mamoswine player's favour, but this replay was really cursed tho i still won.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7purehackmons-2489506428-7mgc01dt4uex2tq39xxrh075lyl70edpw
sort of generic offense where there's 2 guys (kyurem black was crabhammer ) who win and both die to innards. there's an mg kart but the one innards is max def and the other is scarf baton so yeah.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7purehackmons-2487387990
stall game i mentioned earlier where my opponent sold.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7purehackmons-2487364622
game vs ho that was closer then it should of been due to protean mmy coming in after ho-oh lost its health from alakazam but they were probably multiple different ways i could gotten around that situation anyways. in that game i broke its sash with ho-oh, got rocks up and traded mamoswine for innards to prevent defog.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7purehackmons-2487434819
game vs what i think is called bulky offense. mmx is an obvious innards sack and the other guys don't really do much, not much to say about this replay but it adds to my point.

thank you for reading and hopefully you are now a mamoswine glazer like me. also not this is not a sample submission because submissions aren't open plus i cba to top ladder and i'm going to have to delete another post so i can stay on 67 posts.

mamoswine could maybe go in c though i wouldn't give it anything higher than that. easy to cteam by running misc offensive moves (magma storm especially), and being unable to run shed shell means you just lose to stag (which should be used more btw, a bit awkward to fit tbh though it's worth it imo)

it's probably workable now tho i think a good amount of that is just people not varying the ngs they run even if alternate options aren't much worse than fissure zap cannon sets as well as the lack of stag recently, i feel like the inconsistency locks it to c rank hell for all of eternity

 

[Jamcam]

I see a small niche for mamoswine though not large B at the most and more likely B-. It has some good uses mamoswine does have a relatively good match up vs the most common of hazard spreader deo S, the heavy steels plus THE WALL, NGengar. The most problematic is probably arc because I would think it be hard to fit a Ability ignoring move maybe Sun but that's a stretch but even then the most common hazard spread set as only bulldoze so it could still stall it out. But besides beating Nguard sets and Hazard spreaders, I can't fully see it doing much of anything better then that. Don't get me wrong it's a great niche but if that's all it has I can't fully see myself using it

 

[aidan amoongus]

so many low quality teams lately except for like mewtwo's greatest soldier and yourself they kinda mid so I'm here to provide more mid teams
these were made to experiment stuff and not that serious

 

[Eyeos]

RMT
The 4 people that surpassed my speed ​

For anyone asking yes I am making an rmt purely out of spite because everyone makes sample submissions instead of rmts. I did hit 1800 1st with this team. I don’t have the proof but everyone saw it so idc.
https://pokepast.es/77d6bd1c62aa57d4 (team paste)

This team was made because I saw a funny meme about speed so I made a team where every offensive mon is faster then scarf gar and then accidentally made the entire team beat scarf gar.

This is the scarf of the team and probably the worst mon technically but it still either gets a stupid mon off the field or forces innards which is pretty awesome. It also outspeeds kart and Groudon at +2 so that’s nice and ur pretty safe to click fissure 99% of the time because nobody switches in flyers on deo s. Tricking muk air ballon and then clicking fissure is pretty badass and everyone fell for it cus muk users don’t know what’s happening most of the time. It’s biggest “flaw” is that most of it’s beneficial traits is vs teams that I absolutely beat the shit out of so you can probably replace this with Jeremy “Fuck stall” and make the team a little better but this still puts in work.

This is miss kill everyone and leave and the main breaker. Mmy at +3 does just kinda kill everyone it’s not complicated. Click spore on the mons you want to click spore on. Click photon to kill everyone. Click moonblast on da darks. This is the most likely mon to get killed by random bullshit like magic bounce kart or something. Click the button win games.

this mon goes crazy vs ho and kinda just wins off 1 tail glow which honestly so many mons give u. This used to be taunt instead of Secret Sword but I got tired of having to pp stall every arceus I see with Melo so it’s sword now yuppie. You can actually break muk if they don’t have spectral because muk is a fraud and u just boost to +6 and take 0% from em. Fun fact you are actually exactly 1 point faster then the +speed slack and since wing is +3 you actually out prio the fake out and just ruin their life.

this is the glue that hold everything together. Melo lives any none huge power sunsteel at +2 other then kart and maybe some random E tier mon. Once you realize how many sunsteels you live this mon becomes so much better since you just spectral thief all the Kyurem and the groudons and some mmx if you feeling good tonight. Baton pass over magic coat is an ok choice if you like some pivots and you don’t care about arceus mu too much. Melometa forever.

wow look a huge power slacking how original. I put v-create on this since fake out isn’t clicked too often and blowing up steels is awesome. Idk what to put about this mf he just clicks espeed and sometimes evoboosts to sweep.

innards out.

This is my epic team that is cool and awesome and probably better then whatever was submitted as a sample so uh if you have questions ask em ig and if you think my team is trash NUH UH.


Replays that I definitely didn’t all get in a single day before making this post because I forgot to get replays and anyone who says I did is wrong

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7purehackmons-2492939377
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7purehackmons-2492944881
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7purehackmons-2493012283-vj1oe7iv9u2yiv1u6j6q1hvn5ueej8epw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7purehackmons-2493012611-ppnqjs8j4e1d2fjw0b8lcnob8ueokinpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7purehackmons-2493022370
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7purehackmons-2493025992

 

[ZeldaFan1]

you can probably replace this with Jeremy “Fuck stall” and make the team a little better but this still puts in work.

Who the fuck is Jeremy?

Anyway, that Improof on the Slaking is...uh...debatable. It seems like the Improof is the Innards, and having the Improof for any team be Innards is shaky, especially a team with very limited ways of shutting down WG sweepers with any Hazards. You really want hazards gone, but with the only hazard removal being on Melo, who eats momentum, on a team with two Sash mons that both really want Sash intact. Also, for the love of god, 248 HP EVs are good. Use it. Do it. Now.

(Also I built a CTeam for it already. Here it is https://pokepast.es/b4918b27d553b6c4 Have fun dunking on the team with this totally optimized team) (Which is also a sample submission because of course it is)
(Also, I will say, it was a pain in the ass to build this CTeam, which is generally a sign that the team doesn't have a blatant flaw to exploit. Good job, Eyeos)

(Edit: I just noticed that if you make the Deo-S, MMY, and Chansey Shiny, the entire team is green in some way. Other then the Slaking, which you could solve by replacing Slaking with Regigigas. More reasons why Regigigas is better then Slaking. Imagine the power of this team if it was all green. Just imagine.)

 

[Child of Night]

Anti-Offense Slop team dump​

I realized I have been making stupid anti offense teams for the past few months and I wanna share them here for no good reason.

(Sorry for the possibly bad writing, I am ill at the time of writing this)

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Triage Spam

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The main premise of this team is to overwhelm your opponent with strong +3 priority attacks and coverage for basically every defensive WG that could potentially wall Mega Ray with the exception of WG Mega Pidgeot (and Melo, but Pursuit Yvel is there for it), which works as the improof for the whole team. Triple Sash is pretty nice to have, and if you can prevent rocks up from going up, you can potentially get 3 tail glow boosts, which not many teams can stop. Most stalls can't even defend against this awesome power due to most having only 1 checks for Triage Ray. All of the mons on the team are weak to Ice, which is kinda bad but it has not been too big of an issue from playtesting, the biggest issue actually is random spore. Oh right, Psysurge is also a slight issue but it can somewhat be played around.
Triage spam has worked nicely on ladder so far but I have not tested it much. It has good potential to be a real team.

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Best Mon Spam

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I have observed over practically this whole year, most offense on ladder use Innards Out as their only good No Guard and Imposter counter so I set out to make a team which capitalizes on this. Double NG means you don't have to worry too much about 1 of them dying, and sub + hypno (thank you gen 5 for this set), means it is pretty hard to take down a Deo S once is starts going. Double Innards is for general stuff that may inhibit the NG sweep such as ice/flying types, Imposter, and Spectral Thief or strong priority users.
The biggest issue with this team is you are completely walled by many OHKO move immune mons. You can get through double WG cores with good predictions + hazards though. (Lead the Mold Deo S basically every time)

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ABCDEF

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Meme team that has actually done quite well on ladder, managing to go 29-0 (ugh) and have further success after that. I honestly have no idea why this team works as it looks awful on paper, but oh well. Double Prio users that take out some of the best offensive threats in the game with NG rocks support goes a long way. Tauntceus is also there as it was really popular when this team was made, and it synergizes with the other mons decently. Prankster Ferro and Innards Chansey are the fail safes of the team, so you don't just auto lose to WG sweepers and whatnot.
In general a decent team actually. Improofs are a bit shaky but whatever.

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Water Bubble Balance

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My first ever serious attempt at a balance team. Wanted to include it here since it centres around Water Bubble Lorb Pogre. Not Exactly slop but I didn't know when else I could talk about it. I will just skip over everything else since its all very regular balance stuff. The Pogre set basically kills everything in the game after a boost and enough shuriken hits. This is luck dependent, though, which isn't ideal. The other problem is that it does not even OHKO MMX after a boost if it only gets 2 shuriken hits (1.2% to OHKO without rocks) which kinda sucks. The good part is that it can set up on most special attackers due to its huge bulk, and use priority water shuriken to take them out afterwards. It has had some very nice games where it managed to sweep most of a team but in others it just died to physical attackers or got slept and then became useless. Pursuit is on there to help with the Innards Out + Defensive WGs MU but it can be changed to something stronger like LTBTS, just make sure to change Audino to Meloetta.

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Despite me calling all of these teams "Anti Offense Slop", most of them have done well into other archetypes as well, notably stall, which ABCDEF actually has an 100% WR against. All of them have done pretty well on ladder (and in friendlies) in general (except the Balance team since it is a balance team and balance kinda sucks) despite looking quite bad IMO. Try em out, most of them are pretty fun to play (for a bit) and actually work alright despite most of them being meme teams.

 

[Yourself]

diamancie rant

Diamancie Revamped by Eyeos

i feel like the general people should have some say in samples, and i don't think there is a single person that likes this team it is just i am the only person who is really vocal about it. aswell half of the council don't play and eyeos is going to be bias about whether this team should stay because he made it. i also think another thing that is preventing this team from being removed is the fact that you have no idea on what should replace this team, but i dislike this team so much that i would take just about anything (or nothing) over this and honestly i'd rather zenith mode be on the samples. the way this got on the samples is also kind of questionable because this was added around the time phpl was ending when ntothen was just adding whatever to the samples so all this team actually had to do to get on the samples was top the ladder about a bit before 1700 at a time where ladder was really dead which is obviously no challenge for any balance. that is already bad enough but one thing worth considering as well is that the original diamancie is a 2024 team and i do not think the remake made any significant changes, all i think was changed was the doublade set for the harvest slaking mu and the mmx set was changed so the team didn't lose to mbro on preview. i will now write a short paragraph on why diamancie is bad in the modern day.

stall is an auto loss matchup because atp all of them are running atleast 1 innards and once mmx dies to innards you literally cannot break them because this diancie set loses to every sunsteel resist in the game. the same applies with shadow tag removing mmx making it impossible to win into bulkier teams and all of this can also apply to opposing balance it's just you hardly see balance in the first place nevermind balance with shadow tag or innards. the team also doesn't have a good offense mu compensating for this because the imposter isn't choice scarf, the fastest mon is mmx, the priority is non fake out diancie and the meloetta doesn't have magic coat due to the time period the team was made in. i don't really think having an auto loss mu into innards stall is acceptable for a sample team in the first place but the fact that this team has a bad mu into offense teams aswell (unlike something like zenith mode which atleast has fimp mmx, fake out evoboost slak and scarf imp alongside zygarde) should go to show that it's a horrible team.

in conclusion i think diamancie is undeniably a bad team that imo shouldn't of gotten on the samples in the first place and i would rather it be replaced with something like even zenith mode or just flat out removed which no replacement than it stay. also this is not a personal attack against eyeos, i like eyeos i just really don't like this team which is why this section is so harsh and why i bring it up constantly.

other samples (imo less problmatic but i would still like to address them

in this section i will not be talking about the offense teams because i do not have enough experience building offense to properly criticise them, although there is an updated version of the mmx spam that should probably be considered.

Ash Ketchum Offense by Ransei

i question this teams showing to getting on the samples because while ransei (and apparently some other random person) topped ladder with the team this year, i cannot recall this happening within the last few months. additionally, when asking ransei for replays i only recieved 3 from this year and all were from october. from playing against the team, and using it myself a little bit recently i do not think it is all that great. like diamancie, the stall mu (and to an extent the balance mu) is abysmal. there is only one breaker, an evoboost mmx who gets goobed by every steel and mbro to make matters worse, and like diamancie once this mmx dies to innnards (or stag but with it being set up i guess this isn't a guarantee) what the fuck are you supposed to do. you can say "well ash gren beats prank mlix and mbro" but with it being an ash gren it is extremely likely the guy gets walled by a teamate, pivoted on and forced out/killed by priority, or it fails to ohko something and dies. i have seen people say ash gren is forced to keep the pika/ash gren theme to attract new players but tbh i don't think there is a good replacement here anyways. arceus requires a lot of hazard support to function and the hazard setter on this team is mold breaker rocks mmx who loses to like every offense lead ever so yeah. i also have doubts in this team's mu into offense. pikachu needs to encounter a mon that isn't hard improofed and have tailwind up to function. the main way to get tailwind up is by sacking mlix but the thing is if your opponent is competant and knows killing mlix is going to lead to a pikachu sweep, they just won't kill the mlix. also in the event that pikachu has managed to get infront of some non hard improofed guy with tailwind up it still has to worry about sashes, priority and innards. ransei has never gave a counter arguement on the priority issue but he has for the other 2. first of all ransei claims the team is "very anti sash". as i have already mentioned this mmx is not a good hazard setter into offense being goobed by all common offense leads whether it be faster no guards, fakespeed or scarf pbond mgar. the only other ways this team breaks sash are u-turn maud which is only true if it has health and is against special attackers, and there's also icicle spear mmx but it isn't breaking sashes for pikachu in a way any other move wouldn't. the other counter arguement which was adressing the innards problem was "if you use innards on pikachu you cannot use it on the evoboost mmx who is a very threating mon". my problem with this is that this is assuming innards has to be thrown at pikachu and also evoboost mmx is only paticularly threatening into offense if it sets up. as mentioned i don't really build or play offense much myself but i doubt they will have zero ways to deal with it. also double innards would goob.

in conclusion i don't really like the team and i still have questions about the team's showing. my issues with it are also similar to my issues with diamancie however they are a lot less blatant so i don't dislike the team as much nor do i want it urgently removed from the samples like i do with diamancie.

Shadow Tag Gyarados Stall by Eyeos

i don't think it's a bad team it's just really old and i haven't seen it do anything on ladder in a while so i question why it's still on the samples, especially considering there is already another stall sample and if you did want to replace this and have 2 there are other successful stall teams that could replace this one anyways.

 

[ZeldaFan1]

i question this teams showing to getting on the samples because while ransei (and apparently some other random person) topped ladder with the team this year, i cannot recall this happening within the last few months. additionally, when asking ransei for replays i only recieved 3 and all were from october. from playing against the team, and using it myself a little bit recently i do not think it is all that great. like diamancie, the stall mu (and to an extent the balance mu) is abysmal. there is only one breaker, an evoboost mmx who gets goobed by every steel and mbro to make matters worse, and like diamancie once this mmx dies to innnards (or stag but with it being set up i guess this isn't a guarantee) what the fuck are you supposed to do. you can say "well ash gren beats prank mlix and mbro" but with it being an ash gren it is extremely likely the guy gets walled by a teamate, pivoted on and forced out/killed by priority, or it fails to ohko something and dies. i have seen people say ash gren is forced to keep the pika/ash gren theme to attract new players but tbh i don't think there is a good replacement here anyways. arceus requires a lot of hazard support to function and the hazard setter on this team is mold breaker rocks mmx who loses to like every offense lead ever so yeah. i also have doubts in this team's mu into offense. pikachu needs to encounter a mon that isn't hard improofed and have tailwind up to function. the main way to get tailwind up is by sacking mlix but the thing is if your opponent is competant and knows killing mlix is going to lead to a pikachu sweep, they just won't kill the mlix. also in the event that pikachu has managed to get infront of some non hard improofed guy with tailwind up it still has to worry about sashes, priority and innards. ransei has never gave a counter arguement on the priority issue but he has for the other 2. first of all ransei claims the team is "very anti sash". as i have already mentioned this mmx is not a good hazard setter into offense being goobed by all common offense leads whether it be faster no guards, fakespeed or scarf pbond mgar. the only other ways this team breaks sash are u-turn maud which is only true if it has health and is against special attackers, and there's also icicle spear mmx but it isn't breaking sashes for pikachu in a way any other move wouldn't. the other counter arguement which was adressing the innards problem was "if you use innards on pikachu you cannot use it on the evoboost mmx who is a very threating mon". my problem with this is that this is assuming innards has to be thrown at pikachu and also evoboost mmx is only paticularly threatening into offense if it sets up. as mentioned i don't really build or play offense much myself but i doubt they will have zero ways to deal with it. also double innards would goob.

Fun fact: After the HP MMX is eaten alive by Innards, Air Balloon Muk-A quite literally walls every single Mon remaining. Quite literally, there is nothing you can do. You just lose. Sure, you can argue that Air Balloon Muk-A is rare, but the fact that a sample team gets completely dumpstered by a WG mon that you will sometimes see is an extremely bad sign. The MMX will more or less always die to Innards, because it is the only thing on the team that is in any way threatening. With the MMX gone, the only way to apply offensive pressure is Pikachu, who is frankly dogshit into everything that isn't already bad offence teams that Chansey would also be able to beat, and Ash Gren, who most of the time is hitting with non-Stab Photon as the main damaging move. Unless you are fighting a bad offensive team that has a Mon with more or less no Improofing, Pikachu is a Chansey that is made of wet toilet paper and dead dreams. Random priority kills it, which Chansey can consume and ask for seconds of. Without Tailwind, which as Yourself said more or less requires Steelix to die, the Pikachu is gonna have to 50-50 the speed tie, and unlike Chansey who can generally face-tank whatever move if they lose the speed tie, Pikachu gets clobbered if they lose the speed tie. This is all assuming they don't just switch into a WG mon that walls, or they have a Plate to Improof. I'm gonna be honest, if this team was submitted right now as a sample submission by a random person that wasn't a room owner, I am pretty sure it would be rejected. Also, matchups into different teamstyles:

STALL: After MMX dies to the mandatory Innards, you just lose because every stall team is gonna have some way to deal with the flaccid damage of Greninja, and Pikachu will be chipped down to nothing. Almost Auto lose.

SEMI STALL (Slaking stuff I guess): Slaking Speed tie. I don't know jack shit about Semi Stall, honestly it might not even be real. The only thing I know about it is that Harvest Slaking was the main breaker. Even vs a Mon like Slaking, which theoretically should be great Pikachu food, Pikachu struggles. Steelix is gonna have a hard time getting Tailwind and getting Pikachu in before the Slaking ever gets a Sub up, and if God forbid the Slaking gets a Sub up, what the fuck do you even do. The only chance you have is the HP MMX pulling a miracle, but even then they probably have Innards, and MMX is sacrificed. Almost Auto lose unless you somehow get Pikachu in on the Slaking when it has no Sub but does have buffs, win the speed tie, and have the MMX get sacked to Innards.

BALANCE: There is a theme here, that the MMX is the only mon that actually gets stuff done on this team. The opponent might not have Innards, but they will certainly have Improofs, so Pikachu is worthless because unlike Chansey, Pikachu cannot slug it out long term. Of course, if they have Innards, you probably just lose when the MMX dies, but if they don't, they can STag trap the MMX, PBond kill the MMX, wall it with Steelix or something to burn Evoboosts PP, ex. Somehow, even into Balance, which even I admit is probably not that good, you still have a losing matchup. How.

OFFENCE: Not as many hard Improofs, but in exchange they almost always have Innards. Same old story, MMX dies to Innards, the Ash Gren doesn't do enough, Pikachu drops to more or less any priority, especially after the shell smash that it needs to actually kill everything. You auto lose to double Innards, but at this point that is just kinda expected. This might be the only real case that Pikachu might be better then Chansey, but even then it only really matters if the team is already weak to Impostor. Overall, poor matchup.

HYPER OFFENCE: Too much power for MAud + Steelix to stand up, the Impostor checks are generally priority or sashes, which Pikachu loses to. Innards still kills the MMX. I kinda forgot to mention it, but the team really wants rocks up to chip sashes, but the rock mon is a MMX that has very little offensive pressure, gets chipped down extremely easily, and is kinda a momentum sink. Mold Breaker only really matters VS Stall and HO in this context, and you already auto lose to stall so it doesn't even matter. Vs HO, they are just gonna PBond the MMX, or Magic Guard Defog, or just kill the Pikachu via Priority instead. HO doesn't seem as bad for this team as some matchups, but it still isn't good.

Theming does not justify a team being bad, and still standing among actually good teams (Other then Diamancie I guess)

 

[Rain]

Speed tier
S/O Child of Night I just took and used your calc extension and basically copypasted it
This is hella WIP

Speed	Sprite	Pokemon	Base	Nature	IVs	EVs	±
1008		Deoxys-Speed	180	Positive	31	252	+2
918		Deoxys-Speed	180	Neutral	31	252	+2
832		Mewtwo-Mega-Y	140	Positive	31	252	+2
798		Greninja-Ash	132	Positive	31	252	+2
788		Mewtwo-Mega-X	130	Positive	31	252	+2
788		Gengar-Mega	130	Positive	31	252	+2
758		Mewtwo-Mega-Y	140	Neutral	31	252	+2
756		Deoxys-speed	180	Positive	31	252	+1
744		Arceus	120	Positive	31	252	+2
726		Greninja-Ash	132	Neutral	31	252	+2
722		Rayquaza-Mega	115	Positive	31	252	+2
718		Mewtwo-Mega-X	130	Neutral	31	252	+2
718		Gengar-Mega	130	Neutral	31	252	+2
696		Kartana	109	Positive	31	252	+2
688		Deoxys-Speed	180	Neutral	31	252	+1
678		Arceus	120	Neutral	31	252	+2
658		Rayquaza-Mega	115	Neutral	31	252	+2
656		Slaking	100	Positive	31	252	+2
656		Regigigas	100	Positive	31	252	+2
644		Lunala	97	Positive	31	252	+2
634		Kartana	109	Neutral	31	252	+2
624		Mewtwo-Mega-Y	140	Positive	31	252	+1
612		Groudon-Primal	90	Positive	31	252	+2
612		Kyogre-Primal	90	Positive	31	252	+2
612		Giratina-Origin	90	Positive	31	252	+2
598		Slaking	100	Neutral	31	252	+2
598		Regigigas	100	Neutral	31	252	+2
598		Greninja-Ash	132	Positive	31	252	+1
591		Mewtwo-Mega-X	130	Positive	31	252	+1
591		Gengar-Mega	130	Positive	31	252	+1
586		Lunala	97	Neutral	31	252	+2
568		Mewtwo-Mega-Y	140	Neutral	31	252	+1
558		Groudon-Primal	90	Neutral	31	252	+2
558		Kyogre-Primal	90	Neutral	31	252	+2
558		Giratina-Origin	90	Neutral	31	252	+2
556		Necrozma-Dawn-Wings	77	Positive	31	252	+2
553		Lopunny-Mega	135	Neutral	31	252	+1
544		Greninja-Ash	132	Neutral	31	252	+1
538		Mewtwo-Mega-X	130	Neutral	31	252	+1
538		Gengar-Mega	130	Neutral	31	252	+1
508		Arceus	120	Neutral	31	252	+1
506		Necrozma-Dawn-Wings	77	Neutral	31	252	+2
504		Deoxys-Speed	180	Positive	31	252	0
493		Rayquaza-Mega	115	Neutral	31	252	+1
483		Lunala	97	Positive	31	252	+1
475		Kartana	109	Neutral	31	252	+1
459		Deoxys-Speed	180	Neutral	31	252	0
458		Blissey	55	Positive	31	252	+2
448		Slaking	100	Neutral	31	252	+1
448		Regigigas	100	Neutral	31	252	+1
439		Lunala	97	Neutral	31	252	+1
436		Chansey	50	Positive	31	252	+2
418		Blissey	55	Neutral	31	252	+2
418		Groudon-Primal	90	Neutral	31	252	+1
418		Kyogre-Primal	90	Neutral	31	252	+1
418		Giratina-Origin	90	Neutral	31	252	+1
416		Mewtwo-Mega-Y	140	Positive	31	252	0
399		Greninja-Ash	132	Positive	31	252	0
398		Chansey	50	Neutral	31	252	+2
394		Mewtwo-Mega-X	130	Positive	31	252	0
394		Gengar-Mega	130	Positive	31	252	0
379		Mewtwo-Mega-Y	140	Neutral	31	252	0
379		Necrozma-Dawn-Wings	77	Neutral	31	252	+1
372		Arceus	120	Positive	31	252	0
369		Lopunny-Mega	135	Neutral	31	252	0
363		Greninja-Ash	132	Neutral	31	252	0
361		Rayquaza-Mega	115	Positive	31	252	0
359		Mewtwo-Mega-X	130	Neutral	31	252	0
359		Gengar-Mega	130	Neutral	31	252	0
348		Kartana	109	Positive	31	252	0
339		Arceus	120	Neutral	31	252	0
337		Deoxys-Speed	180	Positive	31	252	-1
329		Rayquaza-Mega	115	Neutral	31	252	0
328		Slaking	100	Positive	31	252	0
328		Regigigas	100	Positive	31	252	0
322		Lunala	97	Positive	31	252	0
317		Kartana	109	Neutral	31	252	0
313		Blissey	55	Neutral	31	252	+1
307		Deoxys-Speed	180	Neutral	31	252	-1
306		Groudon-Primal	90	Positive	31	252	0
306		Kyogre-Primal	90	Positive	31	252	0
306		Giratina-Origin	90	Positive	31	252	0
299		Slaking	100	Neutral	31	252	0
299		Regigigas	100	Neutral	31	252	0
298		Chansey	50	Neutral	31	252	+1
297		Yveltal	99	Neutral	31	252	0
293		Lunala	97	Neutral	31	252	0
279		Groudon-Primal	90	Neutral	31	252	0
279		Kyogre-Primal	90	Neutral	31	252	0
279		Giratina-Origin	90	Neutral	31	252	0
279		Meloetta	90	Neutral	31	252	0
279		Ho-Oh	90	Neutral	31	252	0
278		Necrozma-Dawn-Wings	77	Positive	31	252	0
278		Mewtwo-Mega-Y	140	Positive	31	252	-1
269		Zygarde-Complete	85	Neutral	31	252	0
267		Greninja-Ash	132	Positive	31	252	-1
263		Mewtwo-Mega-X	130	Positive	31	252	-1
263		Gengar-Mega	130	Positive	31	252	-1
261		Gyarados-Mega	81	Neutral	31	252	0
253		Necrozma-Dawn-Wings	77	Neutral	31	252	0
253		Mewtwo-Mega-Y	140	Neutral	31	252	-1
253		Heatran	77	Neutral	31	252	0
249		Arceus	120	Positive	31	252	-1
249		Scizor-Mega	75	Neutral	31	252	0
247		Lopunny-Mega	135	Neutral	31	252	-1
243		Greninja-Ash	132	Neutral	31	252	-1
241		Rayquaza-Mega	115	Positive	31	252	-1
240		Mewtwo-Mega-X	130	Neutral	31	252	-1
240		Gengar-Mega	130	Neutral	31	252	-1
239		Magneton	70	Neutral	31	252	0
239		Swampert-Mega	70	Neutral	31	252	0
233		Kartana	109	Positive	31	252	-1
229		Blissey	55	Positive	31	252	0
227		Arceus	120	Neutral	31	252	-1
221		Celesteela	61	Neutral	31	252	0
220		Rayquaza-Mega	115	Neutral	31	252	-1
219		Slaking	100	Positive	31	252	-1
219		Regigigas	100	Positive	31	252	-1
218		Chansey	50	Positive	31	252	0
215		Lunala	97	Positive	31	252	-1
212		Kartana	109	Neutral	31	252	-1
209		Blissey	55	Neutral	31	252	0
205		Groudon-Primal	90	Positive	31	252	-1
205		Kyogre-Primal	90	Positive	31	252	-1
205		Giratina-Origin	90	Positive	31	252	-1
200		Slaking	100	Neutral	31	252	-1
200		Regigigas	100	Neutral	31	252	-1
199		Chansey	50	Neutral	31	252	0
199		Audino-Mega	50	Neutral	31	252	0
199		Muk-Alola	50	Neutral	31	252	0
198		Yveltal	99	Neutral	31	252	-1
196		Lunala	97	Neutral	31	252	-1
186		Groudon-Primal	90	Neutral	31	252	-1
186		Kyogre-Primal	90	Neutral	31	252	-1
186		Giratina-Origin	90	Neutral	31	252	-1
186		Necrozma-Dawn-Wings	77	Positive	31	252	-1
186		Meloetta	90	Neutral	31	252	-1
186		Ho-Oh	90	Neutral	31	252	-1
182		Yveltal	99	Negative	0	0	0
180		Zygarde-Complete	85	Neutral	31	252	-1
174		Gyarados-Mega	81	Neutral	31	252	-1
169		Necrozma-Dawn-Wings	77	Neutral	31	252	-1
169		Heatran	77	Neutral	31	252	-1
166		Scizor-Mega	75	Neutral	31	252	-1
166		Meloetta	90	Negative	0	0	0
166		Ho-Oh	90	Negative	0	0	0
160		Magneton	70	Neutral	31	252	-1
160		Swampert-Mega	70	Neutral	31	252	-1
159		Slowbro-Mega	30	Neutral	31	252	0
157		Zygarde-Complete	85	Negative	0	0	0
153		Blissey	55	Positive	31	252	-1
150		Gyarados-Mega	81	Negative	0	0	0
148		Celesteela	61	Neutral	31	252	-1
146		Chansey	50	Positive	31	252	-1
143		Heatran	77	Negative	0	0	0
140		Blissey	55	Neutral	31	252	-1
139		Sableye-Mega	20	Neutral	31	252	0
139		Scizor-Mega	75	Negative	0	0	0
133		Chansey	50	Neutral	31	252	-1
133		Audino-Mega	50	Neutral	31	252	-1
133		Muk-Alola	50	Neutral	31	252	-1
130		Magneton	70	Negative	0	0	0
130		Swampert-Mega	70	Negative	0	0	0
114		Celesteela	61	Negative	0	0	0
106		Slowbro-Mega	30	Neutral	31	252	-1
94		Audino-Mega	50	Negative	0	0	0
94		Muk-Alola	50	Negative	0	0	0
93		Sableye-Mega	20	Neutral	31	252	-1
58		Slowbro-Mega	30	Negative	0	0	0
40		Sableye-Mega	20	Negative	0	0	0

 

[ZeldaFan1]

Speed tier
S/O Child of Night I just took and used your calc extension and basically copypasted it
This is hella WIP

Speed	Sprite	Pokemon	Base	Nature	IVs	EVs	±
1008		Deoxys-Speed	180	Positive	31	252	+2
918		Deoxys-Speed	180	Neutral	31	252	+2
832		Mewtwo-Mega-Y	140	Positive	31	252	+2
798		Greninja-Ash	132	Positive	31	252	+2
788		Mewtwo-Mega-X	130	Positive	31	252	+2
788		Gengar-Mega	130	Positive	31	252	+2
758		Mewtwo-Mega-Y	140	Neutral	31	252	+2
756		Deoxys-speed	180	Positive	31	252	+1
744		Arceus	120	Positive	31	252	+2
726		Greninja-Ash	132	Neutral	31	252	+2
722		Rayquaza-Mega	115	Positive	31	252	+2
718		Mewtwo-Mega-X	130	Neutral	31	252	+2
718		Gengar-Mega	130	Neutral	31	252	+2
696		Kartana	109	Positive	31	252	+2
688		Deoxys-Speed	180	Neutral	31	252	+1
678		Arceus	120	Neutral	31	252	+2
658		Rayquaza-Mega	115	Neutral	31	252	+2
656		Slaking	100	Positive	31	252	+2
656		Regigigas	100	Positive	31	252	+2
644		Lunala	97	Positive	31	252	+2
634		Kartana	109	Neutral	31	252	+2
624		Mewtwo-Mega-Y	140	Positive	31	252	+1
612		Groudon-Primal	90	Positive	31	252	+2
612		Kyogre-Primal	90	Positive	31	252	+2
612		Giratina-Origin	90	Positive	31	252	+2
598		Slaking	100	Neutral	31	252	+2
598		Regigigas	100	Neutral	31	252	+2
598		Greninja-Ash	132	Positive	31	252	+1
591		Mewtwo-Mega-X	130	Positive	31	252	+1
591		Gengar-Mega	130	Positive	31	252	+1
586		Lunala	97	Neutral	31	252	+2
568		Mewtwo-Mega-Y	140	Neutral	31	252	+1
558		Groudon-Primal	90	Neutral	31	252	+2
558		Kyogre-Primal	90	Neutral	31	252	+2
558		Giratina-Origin	90	Neutral	31	252	+2
556		Necrozma-Dawn-Wings	77	Positive	31	252	+2
553		Lopunny-Mega	135	Neutral	31	252	+1
544		Greninja-Ash	132	Neutral	31	252	+1
538		Mewtwo-Mega-X	130	Neutral	31	252	+1
538		Gengar-Mega	130	Neutral	31	252	+1
508		Arceus	120	Neutral	31	252	+1
506		Necrozma-Dawn-Wings	77	Neutral	31	252	+2
504		Deoxys-Speed	180	Positive	31	252	0
493		Rayquaza-Mega	115	Neutral	31	252	+1
483		Lunala	97	Positive	31	252	+1
475		Kartana	109	Neutral	31	252	+1
459		Deoxys-Speed	180	Neutral	31	252	0
458		Blissey	55	Positive	31	252	+2
448		Slaking	100	Neutral	31	252	+1
448		Regigigas	100	Neutral	31	252	+1
439		Lunala	97	Neutral	31	252	+1
436		Chansey	50	Positive	31	252	+2
418		Blissey	55	Neutral	31	252	+2
418		Groudon-Primal	90	Neutral	31	252	+1
418		Kyogre-Primal	90	Neutral	31	252	+1
418		Giratina-Origin	90	Neutral	31	252	+1
416		Mewtwo-Mega-Y	140	Positive	31	252	0
399		Greninja-Ash	132	Positive	31	252	0
398		Chansey	50	Neutral	31	252	+2
394		Mewtwo-Mega-X	130	Positive	31	252	0
394		Gengar-Mega	130	Positive	31	252	0
379		Mewtwo-Mega-Y	140	Neutral	31	252	0
379		Necrozma-Dawn-Wings	77	Neutral	31	252	+1
372		Arceus	120	Positive	31	252	0
369		Lopunny-Mega	135	Neutral	31	252	0
363		Greninja-Ash	132	Neutral	31	252	0
361		Rayquaza-Mega	115	Positive	31	252	0
359		Mewtwo-Mega-X	130	Neutral	31	252	0
359		Gengar-Mega	130	Neutral	31	252	0
348		Kartana	109	Positive	31	252	0
339		Arceus	120	Neutral	31	252	0
337		Deoxys-Speed	180	Positive	31	252	-1
329		Rayquaza-Mega	115	Neutral	31	252	0
328		Slaking	100	Positive	31	252	0
328		Regigigas	100	Positive	31	252	0
322		Lunala	97	Positive	31	252	0
317		Kartana	109	Neutral	31	252	0
313		Blissey	55	Neutral	31	252	+1
307		Deoxys-Speed	180	Neutral	31	252	-1
306		Groudon-Primal	90	Positive	31	252	0
306		Kyogre-Primal	90	Positive	31	252	0
306		Giratina-Origin	90	Positive	31	252	0
299		Slaking	100	Neutral	31	252	0
299		Regigigas	100	Neutral	31	252	0
298		Chansey	50	Neutral	31	252	+1
297		Yveltal	99	Neutral	31	252	0
293		Lunala	97	Neutral	31	252	0
279		Groudon-Primal	90	Neutral	31	252	0
279		Kyogre-Primal	90	Neutral	31	252	0
279		Giratina-Origin	90	Neutral	31	252	0
279		Meloetta	90	Neutral	31	252	0
279		Ho-Oh	90	Neutral	31	252	0
278		Necrozma-Dawn-Wings	77	Positive	31	252	0
278		Mewtwo-Mega-Y	140	Positive	31	252	-1
269		Zygarde-Complete	85	Neutral	31	252	0
267		Greninja-Ash	132	Positive	31	252	-1
263		Mewtwo-Mega-X	130	Positive	31	252	-1
263		Gengar-Mega	130	Positive	31	252	-1
261		Gyarados-Mega	81	Neutral	31	252	0
253		Necrozma-Dawn-Wings	77	Neutral	31	252	0
253		Mewtwo-Mega-Y	140	Neutral	31	252	-1
253		Heatran	77	Neutral	31	252	0
249		Arceus	120	Positive	31	252	-1
249		Scizor-Mega	75	Neutral	31	252	0
247		Lopunny-Mega	135	Neutral	31	252	-1
243		Greninja-Ash	132	Neutral	31	252	-1
241		Rayquaza-Mega	115	Positive	31	252	-1
240		Mewtwo-Mega-X	130	Neutral	31	252	-1
240		Gengar-Mega	130	Neutral	31	252	-1
239		Magneton	70	Neutral	31	252	0
239		Swampert-Mega	70	Neutral	31	252	0
233		Kartana	109	Positive	31	252	-1
229		Blissey	55	Positive	31	252	0
227		Arceus	120	Neutral	31	252	-1
221		Celesteela	61	Neutral	31	252	0
220		Rayquaza-Mega	115	Neutral	31	252	-1
219		Slaking	100	Positive	31	252	-1
219		Regigigas	100	Positive	31	252	-1
218		Chansey	50	Positive	31	252	0
215		Lunala	97	Positive	31	252	-1
212		Kartana	109	Neutral	31	252	-1
209		Blissey	55	Neutral	31	252	0
205		Groudon-Primal	90	Positive	31	252	-1
205		Kyogre-Primal	90	Positive	31	252	-1
205		Giratina-Origin	90	Positive	31	252	-1
200		Slaking	100	Neutral	31	252	-1
200		Regigigas	100	Neutral	31	252	-1
199		Chansey	50	Neutral	31	252	0
199		Audino-Mega	50	Neutral	31	252	0
199		Muk-Alola	50	Neutral	31	252	0
198		Yveltal	99	Neutral	31	252	-1
196		Lunala	97	Neutral	31	252	-1
186		Groudon-Primal	90	Neutral	31	252	-1
186		Kyogre-Primal	90	Neutral	31	252	-1
186		Giratina-Origin	90	Neutral	31	252	-1
186		Necrozma-Dawn-Wings	77	Positive	31	252	-1
186		Meloetta	90	Neutral	31	252	-1
186		Ho-Oh	90	Neutral	31	252	-1
182		Yveltal	99	Negative	0	0	0
180		Zygarde-Complete	85	Neutral	31	252	-1
174		Gyarados-Mega	81	Neutral	31	252	-1
169		Necrozma-Dawn-Wings	77	Neutral	31	252	-1
169		Heatran	77	Neutral	31	252	-1
166		Scizor-Mega	75	Neutral	31	252	-1
166		Meloetta	90	Negative	0	0	0
166		Ho-Oh	90	Negative	0	0	0
160		Magneton	70	Neutral	31	252	-1
160		Swampert-Mega	70	Neutral	31	252	-1
159		Slowbro-Mega	30	Neutral	31	252	0
157		Zygarde-Complete	85	Negative	0	0	0
153		Blissey	55	Positive	31	252	-1
150		Gyarados-Mega	81	Negative	0	0	0
148		Celesteela	61	Neutral	31	252	-1
146		Chansey	50	Positive	31	252	-1
143		Heatran	77	Negative	0	0	0
140		Blissey	55	Neutral	31	252	-1
139		Sableye-Mega	20	Neutral	31	252	0
139		Scizor-Mega	75	Negative	0	0	0
133		Chansey	50	Neutral	31	252	-1
133		Audino-Mega	50	Neutral	31	252	-1
133		Muk-Alola	50	Neutral	31	252	-1
130		Magneton	70	Negative	0	0	0
130		Swampert-Mega	70	Negative	0	0	0
114		Celesteela	61	Negative	0	0	0
106		Slowbro-Mega	30	Neutral	31	252	-1
94		Audino-Mega	50	Negative	0	0	0
94		Muk-Alola	50	Negative	0	0	0
93		Sableye-Mega	20	Neutral	31	252	-1
58		Slowbro-Mega	30	Negative	0	0	0
40		Sableye-Mega	20	Negative	0	0	0

Some notes:

MMX and MGar both move up 7 spaces if +Spe as compared to anything else as compared to other +0 Speed mons
Slaking and REGIGIGAS both move up 6 spaces with the same guidelines
There are almost certenly more but I don't really care, what I care about is that whoever the hell said that +Spe MMX was bad and got salty when they lost to me using +Spe MMX, I was right all along you fool. Hahahahahaha

(Also you didn't add +Spe Scarf PDon as a option. This will impact your final score.)

 

[hello1433]

i'm here for your peoples opinion on the idea of mixed attacking primal groudon https://pokepast.es/12c947e0ec000406 and take this information as you like but i do want honest opinions and maybe to try it but anyway your local mbee user is out

 

[Guysmash]

i'm here for your peoples opinion on the idea of mixed attacking primal groudon https://pokepast.es/12c947e0ec000406 and take this information as you like but i do want honest opinions and maybe to try it but anyway your local mbee user is out

Mixed PDon MGuard by itself is actually pretty good, just Flare Blitz + Mind Blow's bad (go Shell smash) and Sunsteel Strike>Photon

 

[PenultimateToast]

i'm here for your peoples opinion on the idea of mixed attacking primal groudon https://pokepast.es/12c947e0ec000406 and take this information as you like but i do want honest opinions and maybe to try it but anyway your local mbee user is out

mixed mguard pdon is good but this set's bad. mind blown + flare blitz is unnecessary coverage overlap and flare blitz is just worse than mind blown anyways. photon on this set should just be sunsteel you're hardwalled by like every dark ever and the benefit of photon (hitting like ho-oh mainly) isn't good enough on this set, if you want photon i'd go smash/photon/light of ruin/ground move. set should just be smash/sunsteel/mind blown/freeze dry

 

[HartetheWooper]

This is my first post here. I decided it would be a good idea a week ago at 10 pm to get a bunch of high ladder (or formerly high ladder) people's favorite set and put it in a box in alphabetical order. This is the box so far: https://pokepast.es/3d4636380bb4ced7. If I haven't received yours, and you wouldn't mind sending it, I would greatly appreciate it. Yes, I have been told some guy did this a while ago. That doesn't really demotivate me or anything. I have a bunch of alts, but right now I'm using HartetheWooperIV to combat ladder decay. If you do want to send yours, do it there. Thank you in advance. If I get a respectable amount of sets and it doesn't just end up being another failed project, I'll post the finished thing here too.

I now have Guysmash's and Eman's sets. From now on, send the sets to my account on showdown if you would like to participate. The account I am currently using is HartetheWooperIV. You three should probably delete the posts now. I guess you can also DM me here.

(Also, it looks like my first post is the first post in page 31. Thats cool.)

 

[Guysmash]

This is my first post here. I decided it would be a good idea a week ago at 10 pm to get a bunch of high ladder (or formerly high ladder) people's favorite set and put it in a box in alphabetical order. This is the box so far: https://pokepast.es/06652a0857b2db46. If I haven't received yours, and you wouldn't mind sending it, I would greatly appreciate it. Yes, I have been told some guy did this a while ago. That doesn't really demotivate me or anything. I have a bunch of alts, but right now I'm using HartetheWooperIV to combat ladder decay. If you do want to send yours, do it there. Thank you in advance. If I get a respectable amount of sets and it doesn't just end up being another failed project, I'll post the finished thing here too.

If you're interested in my set by any means here it is :

Guysmash (Gengar-Mega) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Parental Bond
EVs: 252 HP / 28 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Moongeist Beam
- Sludge Bomb
- U-turn
- Ice Beam

 

[Rain]

i'm here for your peoples opinion on the idea of mixed attacking primal groudon https://pokepast.es/12c947e0ec000406 and take this information as you like but i do want honest opinions and maybe to try it but anyway your local mbee user is out

when analyzing a set you want to think about what role it can serve. To be specific, what does it do over other things? Usually you do that while team buliding because you can't play with a single set, and building a team is gonna be your ultimated goal. So for this one you will wanna think about what does this set possibly do. You have magic guard as ability, giving you the ignorance on hazards damage which is neat, the ignorance on recoil of mind blown and flare blitz which is also neat. But the speed of pdon is slow, which means it can't consistently target on offensive mons and move first. on the other hand as a 4a wall breaker it's not really sufficient, as you have a lack of power(252 Atk Life Orb Groudon-Primal Photon Geyser vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Audino-Mega: 110-131 (26.8 - 31.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO). The role of mguard here isn't really used to its full potential as ignoring innards out is really huge, and groudon is absolutly capble of doing a good job of pursuiting innards. If you want a magic guard sweeper, remember the sash that ignores hazards is usually your most important niche over huge powered ones. You can find some sets in the thread dm me on smogon if you need help with that.

 

[ItzEmanBoss]

This is my first post here. I decided it would be a good idea a week ago at 10 pm to get a bunch of high ladder (or formerly high ladder) people's favorite set and put it in a box in alphabetical order. This is the box so far: https://pokepast.es/06652a0857b2db46. If I haven't received yours, and you wouldn't mind sending it, I would greatly appreciate it. Yes, I have been told some guy did this a while ago. That doesn't really demotivate me or anything. I have a bunch of alts, but right now I'm using HartetheWooperIV to combat ladder decay. If you do want to send yours, do it there. Thank you in advance. If I get a respectable amount of sets and it doesn't just end up being another failed project, I'll post the finished thing here too.

Not necessarily a top player but I would say I’m pretty good so here’s my favorite set:

Beedrill-Mega @ Focus Sash
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- U-turn
- Pursuit
- Spectral Theif
- Defog

 

[ZeldaFan1]

This is my first post here. I decided it would be a good idea a week ago at 10 pm to get a bunch of high ladder (or formerly high ladder) people's favorite set and put it in a box in alphabetical order. This is the box so far: https://pokepast.es/06652a0857b2db46. If I haven't received yours, and you wouldn't mind sending it, I would greatly appreciate it. Yes, I have been told some guy did this a while ago. That doesn't really demotivate me or anything. I have a bunch of alts, but right now I'm using HartetheWooperIV to combat ladder decay. If you do want to send yours, do it there. Thank you in advance. If I get a respectable amount of sets and it doesn't just end up being another failed project, I'll post the finished thing here too.

Very cool.

However...

Something like this will inevitably create a sea of one-line posts just saying one set. If you want to suggest a Mon, I would highly recommend doing it via the Pokemon Showdown room, or maybe deleting the comment after the set has been added. I can already see 3 different one-line posts because of this, and it will almost certainly grow into more.

(Also how could you not put TASTE THE PAINBOW as one of the mons, I am disappointed)

 

[aidan amoongus]

Hello, here to show off a set I really like



Xerneas @ Leppa Berry
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
IVs: 0 Def / 0 SpD
- Shell Smash
- Destiny Bond
- Searing Sunraze Smash
- Menacing Moonraze Maelstrom

It gets a quick smash and gets a Prankster Destiny Bond. It can also hit hard with Searing Sunraze Smash and Menacing Moonraze Maelstrom. Why would you use this over Innards? I don't know but it looks cooler.

 

[Guysmash]

As you may have noticed, I kinda stopped usum PH for a while, just saying hi here and there and such
However I'd like to comeback but as playing today I realised 3 things : I'm bad now, the meta has changed (and MMX spam is still fine). This is why I'm aksing if anyone could make a small summary of how did the meta evolve

 

[Ransei]

Hey apologies it's been an incredibly long while since the viability rankings was previously updated, but today we have an official update on the viability rankings based on new changes and discoveries made throughout 2025, fit to adjust accordingly to the modern state of the metagame. As always, feel free to look over these and discuss rankings. Always be civil and to not slander others over the ranks.

The viability rankings have been overhauled. There is no longer a Wonder Guard Viability Rankings in the format. It was deemed unnecessary after noticing teams, particularly hyper offense, being very well capable of having consistency even without any Wonder Guards within the team. Each Pokemon are ranked individually with all their possible abilities factored in. The abilities listed are three at most to shorten the list, but are not exclusively the abilities they may run in plenty of cases. Enjoy!

Viability Order: S to A-

S Rank
S
Chansey (Imposter, Innards Out)
Blissey (Imposter, Innards Out)

S-
Mewtwo-Mega-X (Huge Power, Magic Bounce, Magic Guard)
Kartana (Huge Power, Wonder Guard, Magic Guard)
Mewtwo-Mega-Y (Psychic Surge, No Guard, Protean)

A Rank
A+
Slaking (Huge Power, Harvest)
Gengar-Mega (Parental Bond, No Guard)
Zygarde-Complete (Prankster, Magic Bounce)

A Rank
Audino-Mega (Wonder Guard)
Groudon-Primal (Magic Bounce, Shadow Tag, Huge Power)
Regigigas (Huge Power)
Meloetta (Wonder Guard)

A- Rank
Arceus (Wonder Guard, Harvest)

Gyarados-Mega (Wonder Guard, Magic Guard, Shadow Tag)

Slowbro-Mega (Wonder Guard, Prankster, Fur Coat)
Celesteela (Wonder Guard, Prankster)
Ferrothorn (Wonder Guard)
Kyogre-Primal (Wonder Guard)

Rayquaza-Mega (Triage, Mold Breaker, Shadow Tag)

Alphabetical Order: B+ to E

B Rank
B+
Deoxys-Attack (Magic Guard, Huge Power, Psychic Surge)
Deoxys-Speed (No Guard, Mold Breaker)

Diancie-Mega (Pixilate, Magic Guard)
Ho-Oh (Wonder Guard, Prankster)
Hoopa-Unbound (Wonder Guard)

Lopunny-Mega (No Guard)
Muk-Alola (Wonder Guard, Mold Breaker)
Pheromosa (Huge Power, No Guard, Comatose)
Scizor-Mega (Wonder Guard)
Steelix-Mega (Prankster, Fur Coat, Magic Bounce)
Yveltal (Magic Bounce, Magic Guard, Harvest)

B
Aerodactyl-Mega (No Guard, Shadow Tag)
Doublade (Fur Coat, Magic Bounce, Sturdy)
Giratina-Origin (Innards Out, Harvest)

Greninja-Ash (Wonder Guard, No Guard, Comatose)
Lunala (Innards Out, No Guard, Adaptability)
Heatran (Wonder Guard)
Sableye-Mega (Wonder Guard)
Swampert-Mega (Wonder Guard)

Umbreon (Wonder Guard, Magic Bounce)
Volcanion (Wonder Guard)

B-

Aggron-Mega (Prankster, Fur Coat, Magic Bounce)
Alakazam-Mega (Psychic Surge, Harvest)
Banette-Mega (Huge Power)

Houndoom-Mega (Wonder Guard)
Kyurem-White (Magic Bounce)
Necrozma-Dawn-Wings (Wonder Guard)
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane (Huge Power, Magic Bounce)
Necrozma-Ultra (Huge Power, Neuroforce*) *from Ultranecrozium Z Necrozma Dusk Mane or Necrozma Dawn Wings
Pikachu (Imposter)
Sceptile-Mega (No Guard)
Solgaleo (Prankster, No Guard, Sturdy)

C Rank
Articuno (Magic Bounce)
Dialga (Wonder Guard)
Giratina (Innards Out)
Guzzlord (Innards Out)
Heracross-Mega (Huge Power)
Kyurem-Black (Magic Bounce, Refrigerate)
Marowak-Alola (Huge Power)
Metagross-Mega (Harvest, Huge Power, Magnet Pull)

Type: Null (Wonder Guard, Magic Bounce)
Xerneas (Innards Out)

D Rank

Bisharp (Wonder Guard)
Beedrill-Mega (Huge Power)
Darmanitan-Zen (Wonder Guard)
Froslass (Magic Bounce)

Excadrill (Innards Out)

Gardevoir-Mega (Wonder Guard, Magic Guard)
Gyarados @ Gyaradosite (Wonder Guard, Illusion)

Magearna (Wonder Guard)
Mamoswine (Magic Bounce)
Mawile @ Mawilite (Simple)

E Rank
Everyone Else - Because really, this is USUM Pure Hackmons.

 

[splodge]

Hey apologies it's been an incredibly long while since the viability rankings was previously updated, but today we have an official update on the viability rankings based on new changes and discoveries made throughout 2025, fit to adjust accordingly to the modern state of the metagame. As always, feel free to look over these and discuss rankings. Always be civil and to not slander others over the ranks.

The viability rankings have been overhauled. There is no longer a Wonder Guard Viability Rankings in the format. It was deemed unnecessary after noticing teams, particularly hyper offense, being very well capable of having consistency even without any Wonder Guards within the team. Each Pokemon are ranked individually with all their possible abilities factored in. The abilities listed are three at most to shorten the list, but are not exclusively the abilities they may run in plenty of cases. Enjoy!

Viability Order: S to A-

S Rank
S
Chansey (Imposter, Innards Out)
Blissey (Imposter, Innards Out)

S-
Mewtwo-Mega-X (Huge Power, Magic Bounce, Magic Guard)
Kartana (Huge Power, Wonder Guard, Magic Guard)
Mewtwo-Mega-Y (Psychic Surge, No Guard, Protean)

A Rank
A+
Slaking (Huge Power, Harvest)
Gengar-Mega (Parental Bond, No Guard)
Zygarde-Complete (Prankster, Magic Bounce)

A Rank
Audino-Mega (Wonder Guard)
Groudon-Primal (Magic Bounce, Shadow Tag, Huge Power)
Regigigas (Huge Power)
Meloetta (Wonder Guard)

A- Rank
Arceus (Wonder Guard, Harvest)

Gyarados-Mega (Wonder Guard, Magic Guard, Shadow Tag)

Slowbro-Mega (Wonder Guard, Prankster, Fur Coat)
Celesteela (Wonder Guard, Prankster)
Ferrothorn (Wonder Guard)
Kyogre-Primal (Wonder Guard)

Rayquaza-Mega (Triage, Mold Breaker, Shadow Tag)

Alphabetical Order: B+ to E

B Rank
B+
Deoxys-Attack (Magic Guard, Huge Power, Psychic Surge)
Deoxys-Speed (No Guard, Mold Breaker)

Diancie-Mega (Pixilate, Magic Guard)
Ho-Oh (Wonder Guard, Prankster)
Hoopa-Unbound (Wonder Guard)

Lopunny-Mega (No Guard)
Muk-Alola (Wonder Guard, Mold Breaker)
Pheromosa (Huge Power, No Guard, Comatose)
Scizor-Mega (Wonder Guard)
Steelix-Mega (Prankster, Fur Coat, Magic Bounce)
Yveltal (Magic Bounce, Magic Guard, Harvest)

B
Aerodactyl-Mega (No Guard, Shadow Tag)
Doublade (Fur Coat, Magic Bounce, Sturdy)
Giratina-Origin (Innards Out, Harvest)

Greninja-Ash (Wonder Guard, No Guard, Comatose)
Lunala (Innards Out, No Guard, Adaptability)
Heatran (Wonder Guard)
Sableye-Mega (Wonder Guard)
Swampert-Mega (Wonder Guard)

Umbreon (Wonder Guard, Magic Bounce)
Volcanion (Wonder Guard)

B-

Aggron-Mega (Prankster, Fur Coat, Magic Bounce)
Alakazam-Mega (Psychic Surge, Harvest)
Banette-Mega (Huge Power)

Houndoom-Mega (Wonder Guard)
Kyurem-White (Magic Bounce)
Necrozma-Dawn-Wings (Wonder Guard)
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane (Huge Power, Magic Bounce)
Necrozma-Ultra (Huge Power, Neuroforce*) *from Ultranecrozium Z Necrozma Dusk Mane or Necrozma Dawn Wings
Pikachu (Imposter)
Sceptile-Mega (No Guard)
Solgaleo (Prankster, No Guard, Sturdy)

C Rank
Articuno (Magic Bounce)
Dialga (Wonder Guard)
Giratina (Innards Out)
Guzzlord (Innards Out)
Heracross-Mega (Huge Power)
Kyurem-Black (Magic Bounce, Refrigerate)
Marowak-Alola (Huge Power)
Metagross-Mega (Harvest, Huge Power, Magnet Pull)

Type: Null (Wonder Guard, Magic Bounce)
Xerneas (Innards Out)

D Rank

Bisharp (Wonder Guard)
Beedrill-Mega (Huge Power)
Darmanitan-Zen (Wonder Guard)
Froslass (Magic Bounce)

Excadrill (Innards Out)

Gardevoir-Mega (Wonder Guard, Magic Guard)
Gyarados @ Gyaradosite (Wonder Guard, Illusion)

Magearna (Wonder Guard)
Mamoswine (Magic Bounce)
Mawile @ Mawilite (Simple)

E Rank
Everyone Else - Because really, this is USUM Pure Hackmons.

i expected this to be much worse tbh, but there are still a few problems i have with this, so here's a brief rant (this is only about placements, this would go on for too long if i include abilities)

S-
Mewtwo-Mega-X (Huge Power, Magic Bounce, Magic Guard)
Kartana (Huge Power, Wonder Guard, Magic Guard)
Mewtwo-Mega-Y (Psychic Surge, No Guard, Protean)

these should be a+, they're really good but don't fit everywhere and i think the s ranks should be exclusively for the blobs now

A+
Zygarde-Complete (Prankster, Magic Bounce)

a+ is way too high, it's good at checking a lot of stuff and can beat unprepared teams but it's super hard to fit which really drags it down. a- or b+

B+

Diancie-Mega (Pixilate, Magic Guard)

too low, i haven't used pixilate much but mg is a really nice set, and other stuff like mold can probably work. a or a-

B+
Yveltal (Magic Bounce, Magic Guard, Harvest)

i've ranted about this mon too many times so i'm not going to bother doing so again, especially since nobody other then hendrit will agree with me. b or b-

B
Aerodactyl-Mega (No Guard, Shadow Tag)
Lunala (Innards Out, No Guard, Adaptability)

maero in b is super weird, it's arguably the best ng/mold lead since resisting fakespeed and not folding to pbond while still outspeeding almost every mon is really nice. a or a-
scroll up in gen-7-discussion and you'll probably find me saying something about lunala so i'm not gonna say it here. a- or b+

B-
Solgaleo (Prankster, No Guard, Sturdy)

??
b+ or b

ransei didn't actually say this lol but i'm adding this here because why the fuck isn't this mon ranked

solid lead, beats other zap cannon leads and doesn't fold to pbond. a- or b+

there's some other stuff i don't fully agree with but i don't want this post to be too long so i'm leaving it at this

 

[ZeldaFan1]

Steelix-Mega (Prankster, Fur Coat, Magic Bounce)

Aggron-Mega (Prankster, Fur Coat, Magic Bounce)

For the life of me, I don't understand why Steelix is always ranked so much higher then Aggron. Let's look at the differences between the two, to try and find out what Steelix has that Aggron doesn't.

STATS:

HP: Steelix has 5 more base HP
Attack: Aggron has 15 more Attack
Def: Exact Same
SpA: Aggron has 5 more SpA (Very Important Trust)
SpD: Steelix has 15 more SpD
Speed: Aggron has 20 more Speed

So, in terms of raw stats, the argument for Steelix looks like it has solid ground. The Physical Defense is more or less the same, but with slightly more SpD, and both of them will rarely be attacking with intent to kill, mainly to chip something down with Core Enforcer or TWaves or Anchor Shot. However, unlike something like Slaking VS Regigigas, the typing is not the same. Let's look at the pros and cons of the typings, ignoring anything the types share.

STEELIX: GROUND STEEL

PROS:

- Quad Resists Stealth Rock (And the rock type in general, but what rock type attack are you gonna ever see)
- Immune to Electric (Low ladder 10KBolt Immunity? Maybe Volt Switch as a Improof?)
- STAB on TWaves (Good for the non-Balloon Muk-A matchup I guess)

CONS:

- Weak to Water (Random Steam Eruptions and Scalds because POgre is becoming more common)
- Neutral to Grass (Only real Grass move you are gonna see is probably MG Kart Wood Hammer, or something trying to cover MPert or something)
- Neutral to Ice (Ice Shard)

AGGRON

PROS:

- Resists Ice (Takes like zero damage from HP Ice Shards)
- Resists Grass (More or less only a better MG Kart MU)
- Neutral to Water (Doesn't randomly die to POgre)
- Extra Note: Both Steelix and Aggron have Anchor Shot. Steelix does not have a monopoly on STAB trapping moves with TWaves, and Anchor Shot can hit shit like MAud)

CONS:

- Neutral to Electric: (Oh no not 10K Bolt)
- Only resists Stealth Rock (6.2% vs 3.1% on SR)

CONCLUSION:

Steelix has slightly better Stats, while Aggron has a better typing. Pure Steel is way better the Steel Ground, and the Stat differences are minor enough that physically you won't notice a difference, and specially they both probably don't want to stay in anyway due to both having way worse SpD vs Def. But, if you are forced to take a Special move with one of them, Steelix will take it slightly better.

BTW by slightly better I mean
252+ SpA Mewtwo-Mega-Y Photon Geyser vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Steelix-Mega: 99-117 (27.9 - 33%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252+ SpA Mewtwo-Mega-Y Photon Geyser vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Aggron-Mega: 111-131 (32.2 - 38%) -- 96.3% chance to 3HKO

And physically:

252+ Atk Huge Power Mewtwo-Mega-X Light That Burns the Sky vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Steelix-Mega: 183-216 (51.6 - 61%) -- guaranteed 2HKO252+ Atk Huge Power Mewtwo-Mega-X Light That Burns the Sky vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Aggron-Mega: 183-216 (53.1 - 62.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

This difference in damage is apparently worth two tiers and a worse typing.

Ok.

 

[Yourself]

i accidently posted this whilst writing it so im just going to leave it up and edit it later, did it half way throught talking about doublade

Hey apologies it's been an incredibly long while since the viability rankings was previously updated, but today we have an official update on the viability rankings based on new changes and discoveries made throughout 2025, fit to adjust accordingly to the modern state of the metagame. As always, feel free to look over these and discuss rankings. Always be civil and to not slander others over the ranks.

The viability rankings have been overhauled. There is no longer a Wonder Guard Viability Rankings in the format. It was deemed unnecessary after noticing teams, particularly hyper offense, being very well capable of having consistency even without any Wonder Guards within the team. Each Pokemon are ranked individually with all their possible abilities factored in. The abilities listed are three at most to shorten the list, but are not exclusively the abilities they may run in plenty of cases. Enjoy!

Viability Order: S to A-

S Rank
S
Chansey (Imposter, Innards Out)
Blissey (Imposter, Innards Out)

S-
Mewtwo-Mega-X (Huge Power, Magic Bounce, Magic Guard)
Kartana (Huge Power, Wonder Guard, Magic Guard)
Mewtwo-Mega-Y (Psychic Surge, No Guard, Protean)

A Rank
A+
Slaking (Huge Power, Harvest)
Gengar-Mega (Parental Bond, No Guard)
Zygarde-Complete (Prankster, Magic Bounce)

A Rank
Audino-Mega (Wonder Guard)
Groudon-Primal (Magic Bounce, Shadow Tag, Huge Power)
Regigigas (Huge Power)
Meloetta (Wonder Guard)

A- Rank
Arceus (Wonder Guard, Harvest)

Gyarados-Mega (Wonder Guard, Magic Guard, Shadow Tag)

Slowbro-Mega (Wonder Guard, Prankster, Fur Coat)
Celesteela (Wonder Guard, Prankster)
Ferrothorn (Wonder Guard)
Kyogre-Primal (Wonder Guard)

Rayquaza-Mega (Triage, Mold Breaker, Shadow Tag)

Alphabetical Order: B+ to E

B Rank
B+
Deoxys-Attack (Magic Guard, Huge Power, Psychic Surge)
Deoxys-Speed (No Guard, Mold Breaker)

Diancie-Mega (Pixilate, Magic Guard)
Ho-Oh (Wonder Guard, Prankster)
Hoopa-Unbound (Wonder Guard)

Lopunny-Mega (No Guard)
Muk-Alola (Wonder Guard, Mold Breaker)
Pheromosa (Huge Power, No Guard, Comatose)
Scizor-Mega (Wonder Guard)
Steelix-Mega (Prankster, Fur Coat, Magic Bounce)
Yveltal (Magic Bounce, Magic Guard, Harvest)

B
Aerodactyl-Mega (No Guard, Shadow Tag)
Doublade (Fur Coat, Magic Bounce, Sturdy)
Giratina-Origin (Innards Out, Harvest)

Greninja-Ash (Wonder Guard, No Guard, Comatose)
Lunala (Innards Out, No Guard, Adaptability)
Heatran (Wonder Guard)
Sableye-Mega (Wonder Guard)
Swampert-Mega (Wonder Guard)

Umbreon (Wonder Guard, Magic Bounce)
Volcanion (Wonder Guard)

B-

Aggron-Mega (Prankster, Fur Coat, Magic Bounce)
Alakazam-Mega (Psychic Surge, Harvest)
Banette-Mega (Huge Power)

Houndoom-Mega (Wonder Guard)
Kyurem-White (Magic Bounce)
Necrozma-Dawn-Wings (Wonder Guard)
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane (Huge Power, Magic Bounce)
Necrozma-Ultra (Huge Power, Neuroforce*) *from Ultranecrozium Z Necrozma Dusk Mane or Necrozma Dawn Wings
Pikachu (Imposter)
Sceptile-Mega (No Guard)
Solgaleo (Prankster, No Guard, Sturdy)

C Rank
Articuno (Magic Bounce)
Dialga (Wonder Guard)
Giratina (Innards Out)
Guzzlord (Innards Out)
Heracross-Mega (Huge Power)
Kyurem-Black (Magic Bounce, Refrigerate)
Marowak-Alola (Huge Power)
Metagross-Mega (Harvest, Huge Power, Magnet Pull)

Type: Null (Wonder Guard, Magic Bounce)
Xerneas (Innards Out)

D Rank

Bisharp (Wonder Guard)
Beedrill-Mega (Huge Power)
Darmanitan-Zen (Wonder Guard)
Froslass (Magic Bounce)

Excadrill (Innards Out)

Gardevoir-Mega (Wonder Guard, Magic Guard)
Gyarados @ Gyaradosite (Wonder Guard, Illusion)

Magearna (Wonder Guard)
Mamoswine (Magic Bounce)
Mawile @ Mawilite (Simple)

E Rank
Everyone Else - Because really, this is USUM Pure Hackmons.

i think you did a good job considering the task however i still have multiple issues with this vr that i will go over in this post.

A Rank
A+
Zygarde-Complete (Prankster, Magic Bounce)

what this guy did to get in the same tier as the likes of mgar and slaking is beyond me. this guy's main usage with real players comes from magic bounce on stall, and it doesn't really excell at this role it's just that it happens to be on the most popular stall. prankster is mostly a balance exclusive set (which is not at all a good thing considering it is generally considered one of the worst archetypes and is rarely used), and here its role is walling guys you can't rkill, soft checking huge power guys like mmx, and walling special attackers if it gets lucky. zygarde is a momentun sink in that if you switch it in to wall something there is absolutely nothing stopping the opponent from just switching to another guy that beats it. "prank zygarde forces the whole meta to run suboptimal coverage just to beat it" is also heavily over exagerated and there are mamy ways you can break zygarde whilst also doing other things such as lor, stab fairy, freeze dry, huge power cfzs, ohko moves, set up + priority (e.g. shell smash/evoboost slaking), and ice shard (sure shard wouldn't get usage if zygarde didn't exist but it's still useful for guys like kartana to outrade sash guys). i'm not saying prank zygarde is a bad pick on balance by any means, but i do not believe that that or being an alright defensive bouncer on stall justifys anything beyond a- or b+, and many other people seem to agree.

A- Rank

Slowbro-Mega (Wonder Guard, Prankster, Fur Coat)

mbro has noticably fallen off recently, you even said this yourself, and yet its ranking doesn't reflect this with it somehow being above guys like steela, ferro and pogre. if i tried to pinpoint a reason for this, i think it'd be because 1. it doesn't fit on offense 2. balance probably prefers the steels for a physical wg because they can pivot on special attackers 3. stall usually prefers innards as opposed to non wg/bounce physical walls, fur coat requires ltbts switch ins which is limiting on the builder, and prankster only soft checks mmx running coverage for it which stal doesn't like because it cannot expect to be positioned correctly (pivot moves being difficult to fit plays a part in this) and 4. it's weak to zap cannon with absolutely no special bulk making up for it. this is always been an issue but u-turn weak is also unfortunate. b+ or something.

B Rank
B+
Hoopa-Unbound (Wonder Guard)

b+ for hoopa unbound is genuinely wild. the only times i have seen this mon this year are 1400s on ladder, somaroga (who's team is not good and also hasn't been changed in a year), and that one child of night team. this mon by itself is really bad and ths only justificafion for running this guy is improofing. the only way it does anything into offense and ho is if it manages to set up and get hazards up, and against everything else it's coverage fishing and regardless likely does nothing due to some wg tanking a hit from it, clicking a pivot move and either dying because it's u-turn or being forced out/killed by fimp/diancie fake speed. this should be in b or b-.

B Rank
B+

Lopunny-Mega (No Guard)

all i have to say is being slower than mmy really hurts, and some of the qualities its typing brings (rocks resist, bug resist, ghost immune) hardly justify it. on top of being really fast, other ngs have their own positives from their typing (aero fake speed resist and fissure immunity, or sceptile spore immunity). aswell mgar does actually justify being slower than mmy because it can actually use zap cannon, it can bluff scarf pbond threating leads that would beat its ng set, and imo its defensive traits (fake speed immune and tspikes absorb) are preferable to the bunny's. b or b-.

B Rank
B+
Scizor-Mega (Wonder Guard)

why is scizor a whole subtier below steela and ferrro? yes steela and ferro bring their own positives (steela's extra special bulk, spikes immunity and fissure immunity, and ferro's spore immunity, slow pivotting and rock resist) but they both bring extra problematic weaknesses (electric and fighting respectively) that often deters me from choosing them in the builder, and imo shouldn't put them a whole subrank above scizor. i don't really care what order they are in because it's probably personal preference but i would like to see scizor move up to a-.

B Rank
B+
Steelix-Mega (Prankster, Fur Coat, Magic Bounce)

everything other than prankster is complete larp on mlix, and for its specific role i can't remember the last time i've wanted to use it over other similar mons. the only things i could actually expect this thing to do are 1. wall wg kart and sss hp kart (which prank doublade does better because fighting immune, and fighting synergises really well with sss) and 2. soak ltbts from mmx (in which prank doublade actually walls the standard leppa mmx thanks to the fighting immunity rather than just absorbing ltbts). i even prefer registeel to mlix because while yes it doesn't soak mmx ltbts, it makes up for it with a lot more special bulk which actually lets it function as a solid special wall and wall protean mmy which is big, and if you have dark type teamates not soaking ltbts isn't a huge deal. registeel really should of made it onto the vr (especially considering shit like magearna was included) and mlix needs to move down to b or b-.

B
Doublade (Fur Coat, Magic Bounce, Sturdy)

i feel like doublade has been completely misrepresentes here. magic bounce is just question mark, and sturdy is a niche improofing option that has only ever been ran on one team. i don't like fur coat either because it only matters for thousand arrows, and i think things like flash fire and prankster are better. i think flash fire is better because fire is both superior and more common coverage than physical ground, and i think prankster is better because it still soft checks tarrows mmx, with strength sap it can check standard leppa mmx, and it checks sss kart (better than mlix bc fighting immunity). i still think fc is better than sturdy and bounce tho so if you want 3 abilities imo they should be prank, flash fire and fc.