Yeah, in terms of who I'd use, it would have to be Uxie, even though I think Cress may overall be slightly better. Uxie's unique Yawn/U-Turn combo is just so demonic... it's a win-win situation for you, and when correctly supported it's a fabulous asset to have on a team. U-Turning out from Tyranitar switch-ins and meeting them with Dugtrio is just brilliant :D
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Uxie or Cresselia
- Thread starter jujuomi
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Seems like there is alot of uxie fan boys posting here yet I never see any on shoddy. Usuage wise it seems everyone thinks cresselia is better but hey those are old stats(uxie was behind shuckle in the 70's and cressy at 26 iirc).
I personally think cresselias better but to be honest I hate the thing and I never want to use it. I base my opponion on versuing it since I dont use it. Uxie is good for trick room and some other stuff so it has its uses. Still overall I think cressy can be better utilized on a team then uxie.
I personally think cresselias better but to be honest I hate the thing and I never want to use it. I base my opponion on versuing it since I dont use it. Uxie is good for trick room and some other stuff so it has its uses. Still overall I think cressy can be better utilized on a team then uxie.
Stealth Rock in itself is a notable advantage for Uxie, and Yawn allows it to force out its counters or they are forced to fall asleep. Also U-turn allows for safe switch-ins. Cresselia can end up being dead weight on some teams, Psycho shift and screens should be used more on Cress. Moonlight's low PP and 25% heal in sandstorm doesn't cut it anymore, and rest (especially with talk) just limits its ability to do anything...
Noting Aldaron's Uxie set, Cresselia actually does it better if you replace Tbolt with HP Fighting, which i think is reasonable, it ends up having a significant amount more HP (or wherever else you want to put the extra EVs).
Noting Aldaron's Uxie set, Cresselia actually does it better if you replace Tbolt with HP Fighting, which i think is reasonable, it ends up having a significant amount more HP (or wherever else you want to put the extra EVs).
Uxie is utilizing Yawn and U-turn to get pokemon in for free, and to give you a huge advantage. Uxie can also Stealth Rock, and counter Gyarados more effectivly with Thunderbolt. Cresselia on the other hand, can switch in to stuff, but now what? It takes the hit, and will have to switch out again. Ok, so Cresselia Calm Minds. Uxie can do that as well.
Cresselia really does just sit there. Uxie is potentially forcing multiple switches, putting pokemon to sleep, and giving you an advantage by seeing what your opponent switches to.
I hate a mono-tasker for defensive Pokemon. Offensive Pokemon can get away with that somewhat, depending on how you define "mono-tasker", but with a defensive team, you'll be drawing out the battle, meaning you need to fill multiple roles if you want your Pokemon to remain useful.
For this reason, the only reason I would use Cresselia on just about any team is if I had Charge Beam or Calm Mind (the slow-set up approach, like CM Suicune in ADV). Uxie can use Stealth Rock, U-turn, or Yawn, all of which are really good moves. However, it can't fill the slow set up role nearly as well as Cresselia because of the lower overall physical defensiveness.
Thunderbolt may seem nice, but when you're lacking Ice Beam that makes up for it. Cresselia can use Charge Beam instead of Thunderbolt if it wants to pair it with Ice Beam (Uxie would have to use HP Ice to do that). If they decide to use STAB, I don't know that I would be using Thunderbolt either way. Psychic / HP Bug and Psychic / HP Fighting both seem like much better choices overall. I'd even consider HP Fire before Thunderbolt.
Overall I'd probably go with Cresselia, although I'm not too fond of either.
For this reason, the only reason I would use Cresselia on just about any team is if I had Charge Beam or Calm Mind (the slow-set up approach, like CM Suicune in ADV). Uxie can use Stealth Rock, U-turn, or Yawn, all of which are really good moves. However, it can't fill the slow set up role nearly as well as Cresselia because of the lower overall physical defensiveness.
Thunderbolt may seem nice, but when you're lacking Ice Beam that makes up for it. Cresselia can use Charge Beam instead of Thunderbolt if it wants to pair it with Ice Beam (Uxie would have to use HP Ice to do that). If they decide to use STAB, I don't know that I would be using Thunderbolt either way. Psychic / HP Bug and Psychic / HP Fighting both seem like much better choices overall. I'd even consider HP Fire before Thunderbolt.
Overall I'd probably go with Cresselia, although I'm not too fond of either.
Pressure only works if the opponent's move targets the Pressure Pokemon. It does not eat up 2 PP for the opponent's self-induced moves, which includes recovery moves.
Uxie I'd say. I've used Uxie from time to time. If it's each's support set at least Uxie can do something like Yawn, set up SR, and U-Turn to a counter where Cresselia just kinda sits there. If we are talking about a sweeping set (via. Calm Mind) than Uxie entirely outclasses it in my experience. I've used both CM Cress and CM Uxie and I've found Uxie's speed advantage is incredibly useful and it's lesser defenses capabilities are made up for by it's higher speed and it's ability to set up Reflects faster which allow Uxie to actually sweep rather than be forced out. While I'll admit the loss of Ice Beam on Uxie is pretty significant Psychic / Thunderbolt has very good coverage in OU as it is.
I personally love Uxie (and despise Cressy), and he has been on nearly all of my teams to date. My sets are generally StealthRock - U-Turn - Yawn - Protect/TrickRoom, and he has been very effective in both my U-Turn and Trick Room themed teams.
(An example is here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44533 where setting up TR, and then U-Turning out to big slow threats whilst soaking up hits is his speciality. In this battle he also faces off against a Charge Beam Cress)
In my U-Turn team, a lot of Blisseys stayed in after I Yawned, thinking Natural Cure would save them from sleep. Only for me to U-Turn to a Dugtrio for trap-killing.
Even when you have already slept an opponents Pokemon, switching in on something that cannot hurt you, and U-Turning out instantly as they switch puts you at a great advantage, as you can instantly bring in a counter/sweeper unharmed.
I don't think I could ever use Cresselia however, as its stallish nature doesn't really fit my style of play. This being said, I voted for "Both have their pros and cons, and the best Pokemon is the one that suits your team."
(An example is here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44533 where setting up TR, and then U-Turning out to big slow threats whilst soaking up hits is his speciality. In this battle he also faces off against a Charge Beam Cress)
In my U-Turn team, a lot of Blisseys stayed in after I Yawned, thinking Natural Cure would save them from sleep. Only for me to U-Turn to a Dugtrio for trap-killing.
Even when you have already slept an opponents Pokemon, switching in on something that cannot hurt you, and U-Turning out instantly as they switch puts you at a great advantage, as you can instantly bring in a counter/sweeper unharmed.
I don't think I could ever use Cresselia however, as its stallish nature doesn't really fit my style of play. This being said, I voted for "Both have their pros and cons, and the best Pokemon is the one that suits your team."
I have to agree with the majority of posters. Cress may be able to take hits from a lot of Pokémon but she can't really do anything that is a threat to the opponent other than the slow set up (which is easily handled)
Both Uxie and cress have the same attacking stat(cress has 5 less atk points but neither use physical moves anyway.) Uxie is only a better attacker because it has base 95 speed, high sp.df which make great use of CM.
I disagree entirely. You cannot say something is way better just because it does different things better.
I won't even get pedantic with you; I'll stick to viable sets / strategies.
Uxie's advantage over Cresselia lies in the fact that it is an effective Pseudo-Hazer (Yawn), and it has access to U-turn (making it an effective team "scouter") and Thunderbolt (making it a much more reliable counter to Gyarados than Charge Beam / HP Electric Cresselia).
Uxie also supports the team by being able to set up Stealth Rock, and it also has Calm Mind (though I will admit that it does not use it as effectively).
One significant advantage with the Calm Mind set, however, is Uxie's ten higher base Speed. This allows Uxie to outspeed common metagame threats like Lucario and Heracross without a +Speed nature, allowing for more EV / Nature investment otherwise.
In terms of support, Uxie gets Thunder Wave and both Screens, just like Cresselia. However, unlike Cresselia, Uxie gets the aforementioned U-turn, Stealth Rock and Yawn, all of which can be feasibly used on the same set, meaning I would argue that Uxie is actually a more effective team supporter.
What Cresselia has the advantage in is Moonlight (except in Sand / Hail, and no, Moonlight is NOT better than Rest in those weathers), Ice Beam and generally better bulk.
I don't see why Cresselia is "way better" based simply on that criteria (o, and the fact that it can run a funny Psycho Shift set but comon lol).
I would just go with both have very specific purposes, and both accomplish them very well.
However if you require one or the other, I would take Uxie since it is better in general in the supporting the team, and its ability to more effectively counter Gyarados is more appealing to me than effectively countering Garchomp (Cresselia) because from what I can tell, we're probably going to send Garchomp packing.
I like Uxie quite a lot. I've only recently started using one, but it has become an extremely valuable member of my team. I know that I'll be using Uxie for a long time to come.
No.
No, although Crobat, Persian, Yanmega and Purugly get Hypnosis+U-turn.
((And Purugly has done excellently in my playtests (in BL), so please nobody say "WELL PURUGLY IS COMPLETELY USELESS". It's one of the best leads I've ever used.))
On-topic, I'm going to jump on the bandwagon and say Uxie (who interestingly is lower in the usage stats, as others noticed before). Other than what everyone else has said, I can't tell you how many times that annoying piece of shit has gotten on my nerves. I've seen it in nearly every single goddamn BL match and if Vespiquen/Shedinja is dead (I always have found room for one or the other on every single team I've run), it's nearly gg because the rest of my team is going to get crippled and laughed at, most likely. I swear to god, one of these days, I'm going to build an SD Ursaring team just to severely punish whoever uses this thing. In fact, I probably will.
Yes, complaining attests to its plenty effectiveness. =D
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Like I said before both have they're advantages and it depends on the team your using. I just didn't want to type out what is already known.
If you aren't going to back up your shit, then don't post.
FYI-- TR + U-Turn + Bulk + Speed = good
It's actually be better for uxie to be fast rather than slow in many ways when setting up TR. Why? Because it means Uxie can take the hit before U-Turning out, saving precious health on your sweeper.
It's actually be better for uxie to be fast rather than slow in many ways when setting up TR. Why? Because it means Uxie can take the hit before U-Turning out, saving precious health on your sweeper.
Thanks for the detailed analysis on how Uxie is good. Agreed I see how Uxie is more versatile. I just don't see how slighly better speed, U-Turn, Stealth Rock and Yawn can beat overall bulkyness and the ability to wall almost every Pokemon in the OU metagame.
Did I say anything about Cresselia? I was just addressing how the OP talked about having 95 base speed when setting up Trick Room as if it were bad when its actually better to be fast (and thus go 2nd under trick room).
As to my actual opinion of the two pokemon, Cress is definitely the stronger for the most part. Got to admit that it can't compare to Uxie if we're talking about Trick Room use.
edit: I never used either. There's a reason cress is falling from popularity-- people realize it kind of sucks. :P
As to my actual opinion of the two pokemon, Cress is definitely the stronger for the most part. Got to admit that it can't compare to Uxie if we're talking about Trick Room use.
edit: I never used either. There's a reason cress is falling from popularity-- people realize it kind of sucks. :P
Rest on either of them is set up fodder IMO, so I always use Cresselia (though I used Uxie in a TR team once) Cresselia is hard to take down, especially when TTar and friends are down. Uxie never seemed to be ridiculously defensive to me, it seemed more like something that just annoys the hell out of you (with U-Turn, Yawn, Stealth Rock, etc...) Cresselia is just a mixed wall that can actually make a *decent* Garchomp, Mence, and Gyara counter. Still, Moonlight is a horrible recovery move, especially with TTar and Hippowdon being on practically every offensive and stall team, respectively.