Venomoth (Analysis)

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Venomoth

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[Overview]

<p>In the past, Venomoth has been often neglected in favor of other fellow Bug-type Pokemon, particularly Yanmega. It is safe to say, however, that the advent of Generation V has been very kind to it, courtesy of the introduction of Quiver Dance, which is arguably the best boosting move in the game. With a surprisingly healthy amount of support options, Baton Pass, decent offensive stats, and more importantly, the ability to use Tinted Lens in combination with Quiver Dance, Venomoth can become a devastating threat that can turn the tides of the game if played correctly.</p>

<p>However, that is not to say Venomoth is practically perfect in every way. The bar for offensive stats has been dramatically raised, leaving Venomoth's Special Attack in the dust. In addition to the bugs of past generations, Venomoth faces particularly severe competition from Volcarona, which sports better stats and a larger movepool. That said, in order to use Venomoth to its full potential, one must abuse its advantages over other Pokemon, most notably its unique ability to Baton Pass Quiver Dance.</p>

[SET]
name: Baton Passer
move 1: Baton Pass
move 2: Quiver Dance
move 3: Sleep Powder
move 4: Bug Buzz
item: Leftovers
ability: Tinted Lens / Wonder Skin
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With the introduction of Quiver Dance in its movepool, Venomoth now has the ability to Baton Pass to a teammate the destructive boosts that Quiver Dance provides. Access to Sleep Powder allows Venomoth to successfully gain at least one boost while crippling an opponent in the process. Despite the minimal EV investment in Special Attack, Venomoth can hit hard against problematic Pokemon like Thundurus and Whimsicott. This is aided further by Quiver Dance and Tinted Lens, the latter making the lack of coverage in this set a relative non-issue.</p>

<p>Sleep Powder is crucial to this set's success as it allows Venomoth to achieve a guaranteed boost, and thus, a possible free Baton Pass. Bug Buzz acts as Venomoth's obligatory STAB attack and allows it to defeat Whimsicott and occasionally Thundurus. An offensive EV spread may be utilized over the current spread listed, but Venomoth's purpose is mainly focused on Baton Passing and thus, in most situations, it does not require additional power to succeed in its goal. Life Orb is not recommended over Leftovers for the same reasons. Nidoking makes a great Baton Pass recipient, because of its decent stats, and perfect coverage with Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, and Flamethrower. Additionally, its ability, Sheer Force, boosts the power of Nidoking's attacks by 30% while removing their secondary effects.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Most specially-based Pokemon, particularly those who are often stopped from sweeping due to their low Speed, greatly appreciate the boosts provided by Venomoth. Pokemon like Heatran or Magnezone not only benefit greatly from the Quiver Dance boosts, but they also have the resistances to safely switch in on the majority of attacks aimed at Venomoth. Heatran also gains an additional Flash Fire boost from Fire-type attacks. Pokemon that can get rid of priority users are great support for both the recipient and Venomoth, as priority is a real threat to a Quiver Dance sweep.</p>

<p>Being a Baton Passer, there are no true counters for Venomoth, particularly with Sleep Powder coming into play, allowing it to smoothly set up as long as it can come in on a slower opponent. Priority attacks bypass the boost provided by Quiver Dance and can somewhat damage Venomoth. In addition, Prankster users like Whimsicott and Thundurus can Taunt Venomoth, although neither enjoy a boosted Bug Buzz, since it KOes them with Stealth Rock and Life Orb recoil in the case of the latter. Furthermore, Venomoth is never OHKOed by a Thunderbolt from Life Orb Thundurus after one Quiver Dance boost. Venomoth can also run Wonder Skin, which halves the accuracy of non-attacking moves such as Taunt. This can be helpful to prevent the aforementioned Prankster Pokemon from shutting Venomoth down, but it requires an element of luck.</p>

[SET]
name: Quiver Dance Sweeper
move 1: Quiver Dance
move 2: Sleep Powder
move 3: Bug Buzz
move 4: Hidden Power Ground / Psychic
item: Life Orb
ability: Tinted Lens
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This Venomoth takes advantage of its offenses, and becomes a potentially devastating sweeper in the right environment. Thanks to to Sleep Powder, Venomoth can smoothly cripple and set up against a slower enemy. Tinted Lens greatly enhances the neutral coverage of Venomoth's two attacks, and essentially eliminates the opponent's ability to defend against Venomoth using their resistances.</p>

<p>The choice in the last slot is based on what you want Venomoth to hit. Hidden Power Ground is Venomoth's best attack against Heatran, which is the most common OU Pokemon with a 4x resistance to Bug, and it can cleanly defeat Venomoth with its powerful Fire-type attacks. Unfortunately, Air Balloon is a very common item for Heatran to run, so Venomoth should focus on popping it with Bug Buzz so it can proceed to OHKO with Hidden Power Ground. Psychic grants perfect neutral coverage alongside Bug Buzz factoring in Tinted Lens, and also provides an attack with which to hit Skarmory.</p>

[Additional Comments]

<p>Pokemon that can take down certain Steel-types can be a welcoming aid for Venomoth. A Specially Defensive Skarmory can easily wall most of Venomoth's movesets with ease, and can proceed to Whirlwind Venomoth out or take its time to set up Spikes. Heatran eliminates Steel-type Pokemon, resists Venomoth's weaknesses, and receives a Flash Fire boost upon switching in against the Fire-type attacks that are often aimed at Venomoth. Heatran can also set up Stealth Rock which assists Venomoth when it's sweeping. Tyranitar has decent synergy with Venomoth and can check most of Venomoth's counters, which includes Fire-type Pokemon such as Heatran, as well as Blissey and Chansey. Sandstorm does take its toll on Venomoth, though.</p>

<p>Bilssey and Chansey take meager damage from Venomoth's special attacks, are unperturbed by Sleep Powder, thanks to Natural Cure, and can wear down Venomoth with Seismic Toss. Heatran holding an Air Balloon can dispose of Venomoth, provided it doesn't switch into an attack that pops Air Balloon. Be aware that Venomoth's damage output, while respectable, isn't strong enough to deal any major damage.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Sludge Bomb can be utilized as Venomoth's secondary STAB, but that just leaves it further troubled by Steel-types. Venomoth has a vast range of support options, consisting of Sleep Powder, Stun Spore, Toxic, Toxic Spikes, and Defog. A support set is viable, but Venomoth is just too frail to make effective use of it. Due to its decent offensive stats and Tinted Lens, a Choice Specs set can be considered. When not using Quiver Dance though, Venomoth is largely outclassed by Tinted Lens Yanmega.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Because of its ability to put a Pokemon to sleep, usually after a Speed boost from Quiver Dance, Venomoth is surprisingly annoying to counter. Once Sleep Clause is in effect though, countering Venomoth becomes far easier, providing it hasn't put one of its counters to sleep. Blissey and Chansey wall Venomoth completely because they can shrug off any attack that Venomoth can throw at them. The pink behemoths also render Sleep Powder useless due to Natural Cure. They cannot prevent Venomoth from using Baton Pass, though. A Specially Defensive Skarmory not only walls most of Venomoth's moveset, but can use Whirlwind to phaze it as well. Heatran can counter Venomoth that lack Hidden Power Ground. While they aren't counters by any means, Thundurus and Whimsicott can prevent any attempts to Baton Pass unless Venomoth runs Wonder Skin and it takes effect.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Venomoth gets Wonder Skin from the Dream World. This ability is rather situational, although halving the accuracy of non-attacking moves such as Taunt and Whirlwind is nice.</p>
 
Ok just to clear things up, the original thread holder released this reservation to anyone who wanted to do it as proved by the following quote:

bugmaniacbob said:
All right, I'm currently trying to work out who is keeping hold of their analyses and who isn't. As the more observant among you have realised, I have PMed every member who currently holds an analysis reservation, and hopefully by the end of the week we will have sorted out which analyses are eligible for reservation.

The following list will be edited whenever a new analysis is eligible for reservation.

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Nidoqueen
Krookodile
Venomoth
Salamence
Kyurem

If you haven't received a PM, this was most likely an oversight on my part, so please do PM me anyway to state whether or not you wish to keep your analyses.

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EDIT: Also, thanks to zdrup15 for compiling an initial list, helping clear out inactive analyses in general, and also pushing me to do this at last...
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Just for clarification purposes.
 
As the games have been released in English, it's probably time to drop the Japanese names. Butterfly Dance is now Quiver Dance, Miracle Skin is now Wonder Skin, and Balloon is... Air Balloon. You also left the names Boutorosu (Thundurus) and Errufun (Whimsicott) in the counters section. Otherwise, I think you covered everything that Venomoth should do.
 
Should the sweeper set not go first? I've seen that one much more often. Sludge bomb should probably be slashed on the last position also, seeing as the last move really is just a filler depending on what you team is and what you need coverage on.
Otherwise, Venomoth really cannot do much else.
 
reaverz said:
As the games have been released in English, it's probably time to drop the Japanese names. Butterfly Dance is now Quiver Dance, Miracle Skin is now Wonder Skin, and Balloon is... Air Balloon. You also left the names Boutorosu (Thundurus) and Errufun (Whimsicott) in the counters section. Otherwise, I think you covered everything that Venomoth should do.
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Will do all that once I have it fully written up.

Eos said:
Should the sweeper set not go first? I've seen that one much more often. Sludge bomb should probably be slashed on the last position also, seeing as the last move really is just a filler depending on what you team is and what you need coverage on.
Otherwise, Venomoth really cannot do much else.
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No. Venomoth makes a great sweeper, but it is even better at passing excellent boosts to something that can preform better as a sweeper, (better stats, coverage etc.) and still cripple something with sleep powder.
 
This is done.
By the way, do the Stamps recieved on the previous analysis count? It is the same one, just with extra after all.
 
Mooo said:
This is done.
By the way, do the Stamps recieved on the previous analysis count? It is the same one, just with extra after all.
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They should still count so long as you haven't made any major changes. If you have just written up Toaster's skeleton, then that's perfectly fine.
 
I think you should add Nidoking as a recipient. Nidoking becomes really hard to stop after those buffs and is immune to toxic/paralysis.
 
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[Overview]

<p>In the past, Venomoth has been often neglected in favor of its fellow bug types, particularely Yanmega. It is safe to say however that the advent of the 5th generation has been very kind to it, courtesy of the introduction to of Butterfly Dance, which is arguably the best boosting move in the game. In combination with a surprisingly healthly amount of support options, Baton Pass, decent offensive stats, and more importantly, the ability to use Tinted Lens in combination with it, Venomoth can become a devastating threat that can turn the tides of the game if played correctly.</p>

<p>However, that is not so to say Venomoth lacks flaws either. The massive increase of the average power level in this new generation has left Venomoth's offensive stats be considered underwhelming The bar for offensive stats was dramatically raised, leaving Venomoth's Special Attack in the dust. In addition of some of its fellow bugs to bugs of past generations, Venomoth faces particularly severe competition with from Volcarona, which sports better stats and a larger movepool by far. That said, in order to use Venomoth to it's full potential, one must abuse its advantages over other Pokemon, such as it being among the only Pokemon who can Baton Pass Butterfly Dance and having a less severe weakness to Stealth Rock than its rival, Volcarona most notably its unique ability to Baton Pass Butterfly Dance.</p>

[SET]
name: Baton Passer
move 1: Baton Pass
move 2: Butterfly Dance
move 3: Sleep Powder
move 4: Bug Buzz
item: Leftovers
ability: Tinted Lens / Miracle Skin
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With the introduction of Butterfly Dance in its movepool, Venomoth now has the ability to Baton Pass the destructive boosts that Butterfly Dance provides to another Pokemon. Access to Sleep Powder allows Venomoth to successfully gain at least one boost as well as while crippling a Pokemon in the process. Despite the minimal EV investment, Venomoth can hit hit hard against problematic Pokemon certain Pokemon that have the ability to trouble it, such as like Thundurus and Whimsicott. This is aided further by Butterfly Dance and Tinted Lens, the latter making the lack of coverage in this set a relative non-issue.</p>

<p>Sleep Powder is crucial to this set's success as it allows Venomoth to guarantee a boost, and thus, a possible free pass. Bug Buzz acts as Venomoth's obligatory STAB attack and allows it to defeat Whimsicott and occasionally Thundurus. An offensive EV spread may be utilized over the current spread listed, but Venomoth's purpose is mainly focused on Baton Passing and thus, in most situations, it usually does not require additional power to succeed in its goal. Similarly, Life Orb is not recommended over Leftovers for the same reasons. Nidoking makes a great Baton Pass recipient, because of its decent stats, and perfect coverage with Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, and Flamethrower. Additionally, its Encourage Sheer Force ability boosts the power of Nidoking's attacks by 30%, while removing their secondary effects.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Most specially based Pokemon, particularely slow Pokemon who are often halted stopped from sweeping due to their low speed, greatly appreciate the boosts provided by Venomoth and thus, are typical recipients. In addition, Pokemon such as like Heatran or Magnezone not only are good recipients but can also benefit greatly from the Butterfly Dance boosts, but have the resistances to safely switch in on the majority of attacks aimed at Venomoth and safely sweep at their leisure. Heatran also gains an additional boost from Fire-type attacks. Pokemon who that can get rid of priority users are a great aid great support for both the recipient and Venomoth in general, as this minimizes the risk of being revenge killed by certain pokemon as priority is a real threat to a Butterfly Dance sweep.</p>

<p>Being a Baton Passer, there are no true counters for Venomoth, particularly with Sleep Powder coming into play, allowing it to cripple and thwart most attempts of stopping it smoothly setup as long as it can find an opportunity to setup on a slower opponent. Priority however, bypasses the boost provided from Butterfly Dance and can somewhat damage Venomoth. In addition, Pokemon such as Prankster users like Whimsicott and Thundurus ignore any factor in speed and Taunt Venomoth which prevents it from setting up and Baton Passing, Although both will not though neither enjoy a boosted Bug buzz from Venomoth, as Whimsicott is hit for Super Effective damage, and Thundurus is frail and will be KOd after Stealth Rock and Life Orb damage. Additionally, Furthermore, Venomoth is never OHKOd by a Thunderbolt from a Life Orb Thundurus after 1 Special Defense Boost. Venomoth can also run Miracle Skin, which halves the accuracy of non-attacking moves such as Taunt. This can be helpful to prevent the aforementioned Pokemon from shutting Venomoth down, but it requires an element of luck.</p>


[SET]
name: Butterfly Dance Sweeper
move 1: Butterfly Dance
move 2: Sleep Powder
move 3: Bug Buzz
move 4: Hidden Power Ground / Psychic
item: Life Orb
ability: Tinted Lens
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This Venomoth takes advantage of its offenses, and becomes a potentially devastating sweeper if taken lightly. Thanks to to Sleep Powder, most incoming switch-ins are rendered useless, and Venomoth gets at least 1 free turn to get a boost and ultametively, sweep Venomoth can smoothly cripple and setup against a slower enemy. Tinted Lens eliminates the lack of coverage that this set holds and sharply lowers the number of viable switch-ins against Venomoth's devastating power. greatly enhances the neutral coverage of Venomoth's two attacks, and essentially eliminates the opponent's ability to defend against Venomoth using resistances.</p>

<p>The choice in the last slot is highly based on what do you want Venomoth to hit. Hidden Power Ground is Venomoth's best attack against Heatran, whom acts as a full stop to this set which is the most common OU Pokemon with a 4x resistance to bug and cleanly defeats Venomoth with its powerful Fire attacks. However, Unfortunately, Balloon is a very common item for Heatran to run, and but you should focus on popping it with Bug Buzz so you can proceed to OHKO with Hidden Power Ground. Psychic grants perfect neutral coverage alongside Bug Buzz factoring in Tinted Lens, and also provides an attack to hit Skarmory.</p>


[Additional Comments]

<p>Pokemon that can take down certain Steel-types can be a welcoming aid for Venomoth. A Specially Defensive Skarmory can easily wall most of Venomoth's movesets with ease, and can proceed to Whirlwind it out or take its time to set up spikes. Heatran eliminates Steel-type Pokemon, resists Venomoth's weaknesses, and receives a Special Attack boost upon switching in against Fire-type attacks often aimed and at Venomoth. Heatran can also set up Stealth Rock which assists Venomoth when sweeping. Tyranitar has decent synergy with Venomoth and can check most of Venomoth's counters; Fire type Pokemon, notably Heatran, and Blissey and Chansey. Sandstorm does take its toll on Venomoth, though.</p>

<p>Bilssey and Chansey take meager damage from Venomoth's special attacks, are unaeffected by Sleep Powder, thanks to Natural Cure, and can KO Venomoth with Seismic Toss. Heatran holding a balloon can dispose of Venomoth, provided it doesn't switch into an attack, which shall pop the that pops balloon. Be aware that Venomoth's damage output, while respectable, be aware that isn't strong enough to do any major damage.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Sludge Bomb can be utilized as Venomoth's secondary STAB. Venomoth has a vast range of support options; consisting of Sleep Powder, Stun Spore, Toxic, Toxic Spikes and Defog. A support set is viable, but Venomoth is just too frail to make effective use of it. Due to its decent offensive stats and Tinted Lens, a Choice Specs set can be considered. However, Yanmega makes better use of it thanks to its Speed Boost ability. When not using Butterfly Dance though, Venomoth is largely outclassed by Tinted Lens Yanmega.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Because of its ability to put a Pokemon to sleep, usually from a +1 speed, Venomoth is surprisingly annoying to counter. Once Sleep Clause is in effect though, countering Venomoth becomes far easier, providing it hasn't put one of its counters to sleep. Bilssey and Chansey wall Venomoth completely because they can shrug off any attack that Venomoth can throw at it. The pink behemoths also render Sleep Powder useless due to Natural Cure. They cannot prevent it from using Baton Pass, though. A Specially Defensive Skarmory not only walls most of Venomoth's moveset, but can use Whirlwind to phase it. Unless Venomoth is running Hidden Power Ground, Heatran can counter it, providing it has used Sleep Powder previously. While they aren't counters by any means, Boutorosu and Errufun can prevent any attempts of to Baton Passing, unless Venomoth runs Miracle Skin and it takes effect.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Venomoth gets Miracle Skin from the Dream World. This ability is rather situational, although halving chance of paralysis from common serene gracers Serene Grace users such as Body Slam Jirachi is favorable nice. Also, halving the accuracy of crippling moves such as Taunt is useful on the Baton Pass set.</p>

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[Overview]

<p>In the past, Venomoth has been often neglected in favor of its fellow bug types, particularly Yanmega. It is safe to say however that the advent of the 5th generation has been very kind to it, courtesy of the introduction of Quiver Dance, which is arguably the best boosting move in the game. In combination with a surprisingly healthy amount of support options, Baton Pass, decent offensive stats, and more importantly, the ability to use Tinted Lens in combination, Venomoth can become a devastating threat that can turn the tides of the game if played correctly.</p>

<p>However, that is not to say Venomoth lacks flaws. The bar for offensive stats was dramatically raised, leaving Venomoth's Special Attack in the dust. In addition to bugs of past generations, Venomoth faces particularly severe competition from Volcarona, which sports better stats and a larger movepool. That said, in order to use Venomoth to it's full potential, one must abuse its advantages over other Pokemon, most notably its unique ability to Baton Pass Quiver Dance.</p>

[SET]
name: Baton Passer
move 1: Baton Pass
move 2: Quiver Dance
move 3: Sleep Powder
move 4: Bug Buzz
item: Leftovers
ability: Tinted Lens / Wonder Skin
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With the introduction of Quiver Dance in its movepool, Venomoth now has the ability to Baton Pass the destructive boosts that Quiver Dance provides to another Pokemon. Access to Sleep Powder allows Venomoth to successfully gain at least one boost while crippling a Pokemon in the process. Despite the minimal EV investment, Venomoth can hit hard against problematic Pokemon like Thundurus and Whimsicott. This is aided further by Quiver Dance and Tinted Lens, the latter making the lack of coverage in this set a relative non-issue.</p>

<p>Sleep Powder is crucial to this set's success as it allows Venomoth to guarantee a boost, and thus, a possible free pass. Bug Buzz acts as Venomoth's obligatory STAB attack and allows it to defeat Whimsicott and occasionally Thundurus. An offensive EV spread may be utilized over the current spread listed, but Venomoth's purpose is mainly focused on Baton Passing and thus, in most situations, it usually does not require additional power to succeed in its goal. Similarly, Life Orb is not recommended over Leftovers for the same reasons. Nidoking makes a great Baton Pass recipient, because of its decent stats, and perfect coverage with Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, and Flamethrower. Additionally, its ability, Sheer Force, boosts the power of Nidoking's attacks by 30% while removing their secondary effects.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Most specially based Pokemon, particularly those who are often stopped from sweeping due to their low speed, greatly appreciate the boosts provided by Venomoth. Pokemon like Heatran or Magnezone not only (space)benefit greatly from the Quiver Dance boosts, but have the resistances to safely switch in on the majority of attacks aimed at Venomoth. Heatran also gains an additional boost from Fire-type attacks. Pokemon that can get rid of priority users are great support for both the recipient and Venomoth, as priority is a real threat to a Quiver Dance sweep.</p>

<p>Being a Baton Passer, there are no true counters for Venomoth, particularly with Sleep Powder coming into play, allowing it to smoothly setup as long as it can find an opportunity to setup on a slower opponent. Priority bypasses the boost provided from Butterfly Dance and can somewhat damage Venomoth. In addition, Prankster users like Whimsicott and Thundurus can Taunt you, although neither enjoy a boosted Bug Buzz, since it KOs them with Stealth Rock and Life Orb recoil in the latters case.. Furthermore, Venomoth is never OHKOd by a Thunderbolt from a Life Orb Thundurus after 1 Special Defense Boost. Venomoth can also run Wonder Skin, which halves the accuracy of non-attacking moves such as Taunt. This can be helpful to prevent the aforementioned Pokemon from shutting Venomoth down, but it requires an element of luck.</p>


[SET]
name: Quiver Dance Sweeper
move 1: Quiver Dance
move 2: Sleep Powder
move 3: Bug Buzz
move 4: Hidden Power Ground / Psychic
item: Life Orb
ability: Tinted Lens
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This Venomoth takes advantage of its offenses, and becomes a potentially devastating sweeper if taken lightly. Thanks to to Sleep Powder, Venomoth can smoothly cripple and setup against a slower enemy. Tinted Lens greatly enhances the neutral coverage of Venomoth's two attacks, and essentially eliminates the opponent's ability to defend against Venomoth by using their resistances.</p>

<p>The choice in the last slot is based on what you want Venomoth to hit. Hidden Power Ground is Venomoth's best attack against Heatran, which is the most common OU Pokemon with a 4x resistance to bug and cleanly defeats Venomoth with its powerful Fire attacks. Unfortunately, Balloon is a very common item for Heatran to run, but you should focus on popping it with Bug Buzz so you can proceed to OHKO with Hidden Power Ground. Psychic grants perfect neutral coverage alongside Bug Buzz factoring in Tinted Lens, and also provides an attack to hit Skarmory.</p>


[Additional Comments]

<p>Pokemon that can take down certain Steel-types can be a welcoming aid for Venomoth. A Specially Defensive Skarmory can easily wall most of Venomoth's movesets with ease, and can proceed to Whirlwind it out or take its time to set up spikes. Heatran eliminates Steel-type Pokemon, resists Venomoth's weaknesses, and receives a Special Attack boost upon switching in against Fire-type attacks often aimed at Venomoth. mention that it can also benefit from the Quiver Dance boosts?Heatran can also set up Stealth Rock which assists Venomoth when sweeping. Tyranitar has decent synergy with Venomoth and can check most of Venomoth's counters; Fire type Pokemon, notably Heatran, and Blissey and Chansey. Sandstorm does take its toll on Venomoth, though.</p>

<p>Bilssey and Chansey take meager damage from Venomoth's special attacks, are unaffected by Sleep Powder, thanks to Natural Cure, and can KO Venomoth with Seismic Toss. Heatran holding an Air Balloon can dispose of Venomoth, provided it doesn't switch into an attackthat pops Air Balloon. Be aware that Venomoth's damage output, while respectable, isn't strong enough to do any major damage.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Sludge Bomb can be utilized as Venomoth's secondary STAB. Venomoth has a vast range of support options; consisting of Sleep Powder, Stun Spore, Toxic, Toxic Spikes and Defog. A support set is viable, but Venomoth is just too frail to make effective use of it. Due to its decent offensive stats and Tinted Lens, a Choice Specs set can be considered. When not using Butterfly Dance though, Venomoth is largely outclassed by Tinted Lens Yanmega.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Because of its ability to put a Pokemon to sleep, usually from a +1 speed, Venomoth is surprisingly annoying to counter. Once Sleep Clause is in effect though, countering Venomoth becomes far easier, providing it hasn't put one of its counters to sleep. Bilssey and Chansey wall Venomoth completely because they can shrug off any attack that Venomoth can throw at it. The pink behemoths also render Sleep Powder useless due to Natural Cure. They cannot prevent it from using Baton Pass, though. A Specially Defensive Skarmory not only walls most of Venomoth's moveset, but can use Whirlwind to phase it. Unless Venomoth is running Hidden Power Ground, Heatran can counter it, providing it has used Sleep Powder previously. While they aren't counters by any means, Thundurus and Whimsicott can prevent any attempts to Baton Pass unless Venomoth runs Wonder Skin and it takes effect.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Venomoth gets Wonder Skin from the Dream World. This ability is rather situational, although halving the chance of paralysis from common Serene Grace users such as Body Slam Jirachi is nice. Also, halving the accuracy of crippling moves such as Taunt is useful on the Baton Pass set.</p>
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[Overview]

<p>In the past, Venomoth has been often neglected in favor of its fellow Bug-types, particularly Yanmega. It is safe to say, however, that the advent of Generation V has been very kind to it, courtesy of the introduction of Quiver Dance, which is arguably the best boosting move in the game. In combination with a surprisingly healthy amount of support options, Baton Pass, decent offensive stats, and more importantly, the ability to use Tinted Lens in combination with Quiver Dance, Venomoth can become a devastating threat that can turn the tides of the game if played correctly.</p>

<p>However, that is not to say Venomoth lacks flaws. The bar for offensive stats was dramatically raised, leaving Venomoth's Special Attack in the dust. In addition to the bugs of past generations, Venomoth faces particularly severe competition from Volcarona, which sports better stats and a larger movepool. That said, in order to use Venomoth to it's full potential, one must abuse its advantages over other Pokemon, most notably its unique ability to Baton Pass Quiver Dance.</p>

[SET]
name: Baton Passer
move 1: Baton Pass
move 2: Quiver Dance
move 3: Sleep Powder
move 4: Bug Buzz
item: Leftovers
ability: Tinted Lens / Wonder Skin
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With the introduction of Quiver Dance in its movepool, Venomoth now has the ability to Baton Pass the destructive boosts that Quiver Dance provides to another Pokemon. Access to Sleep Powder allows Venomoth to successfully gain at least one boost while crippling a Pokemon in the process. Despite the minimal EV investment, Venomoth can hit hard against problematic Pokemon like Thundurus and Whimsicott. This is aided further by Quiver Dance and Tinted Lens, the latter making the lack of coverage in this set a relative non-issue.</p>

<p>Sleep Powder is crucial to this set's success as it allows Venomoth to guarantee a boost, and thus, a possible free Baton Pass. Bug Buzz acts as Venomoth's obligatory STAB attack and allows it to defeat Whimsicott and occasionally Thundurus. An offensive EV spread may be utilized over the current spread listed, but Venomoth's purpose is mainly focused on Baton Passing and thus, in most situations, it usually does not require additional power to succeed in its goal. Similarly, Life Orb is not recommended over Leftovers for the same reasons. Nidoking makes a great Baton Pass recipient, because of its decent stats, and perfect coverage with Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, and Flamethrower. Additionally, its ability, Sheer Force, boosts the power of Nidoking's attacks by 30% while removing their secondary effects.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Most specially-based Pokemon, particularly those who are often stopped from sweeping due to their low speed, greatly appreciate the boosts provided by Venomoth. Pokemon like Heatran or Magnezone not only (space)benefit greatly from the Quiver Dance boosts, but have the resistances to safely switch in on the majority of attacks aimed at Venomoth. Heatran also gains an additional boost from Fire-type attacks. Pokemon that can get rid of priority users are great support for both the recipient and Venomoth, as priority is a real threat to a Quiver Dance sweep.</p>

<p>Being a Baton Passer, there are no true counters for Venomoth, particularly with Sleep Powder coming into play, allowing it to smoothly set up as long as it can find an opportunity to set up on a slower opponent. Priority bypasses the boost provided from Quiver Dance and can somewhat damage Venomoth. In addition, Prankster users like Whimsicott and Thundurus can Taunt you, although neither enjoy a boosted Bug Buzz, since it KOes them with Stealth Rock and Life Orb recoil in the case of the latter.. Furthermore, Venomoth is never OHKOed by a Thunderbolt from a Life Orb Thundurus after 1 Special Defense Boost. Venomoth can also run Wonder Skin, which halves the accuracy of non-attacking moves such as Taunt. This can be helpful to prevent the aforementioned Pokemon from shutting Venomoth down, but it requires an element of luck.</p>

[SET]
name: Quiver Dance Sweeper
move 1: Quiver Dance
move 2: Sleep Powder
move 3: Bug Buzz
move 4: Hidden Power Ground / Psychic
item: Life Orb
ability: Tinted Lens
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This Venomoth takes advantage of its offenses, and becomes a potentially devastating sweeper if taken lightly. Thanks to to Sleep Powder, Venomoth can smoothly cripple and setup against a slower enemy. Tinted Lens greatly enhances the neutral coverage of Venomoth's two attacks, and essentially eliminates the opponent's ability to defend against Venomoth by using their resistances.</p>

<p>The choice in the last slot is based on what you want Venomoth to hit. Hidden Power Ground is Venomoth's best attack against Heatran, which is the most common OU Pokemon with a 4x resistance to bug and cleanly defeats Venomoth with its powerful Fire-type attacks. Unfortunately, Air Balloon is a very common item for Heatran to run, but you should focus on popping it with Bug Buzz so you can proceed to OHKO with Hidden Power Ground. Psychic grants perfect neutral coverage alongside Bug Buzz factoring in Tinted Lens, and also provides an attack to hit Skarmory.</p>

[Additional Comments]

<p>Pokemon that can take down certain Steel-types can be a welcoming aid for Venomoth. A Specially Defensive Skarmory can easily wall most of Venomoth's movesets with ease, and can proceed to Whirlwind it out or take its time to set up Spikes. Heatran eliminates Steel-type Pokemon, resists Venomoth's weaknesses, and receives a Special Attack boost upon switching in against Fire-type attacks often aimed at Venomoth. mention that it can also benefit from the Quiver Dance boosts?Heatran can also set up Stealth Rock which assists Venomoth when sweeping. Tyranitar has decent synergy with Venomoth and can check most of Venomoth's counters; Fire-type Pokemon, notably such as Heatran, as well as Blissey and Chansey. Sandstorm does take its toll on Venomoth, though.</p>

<p>Bilssey and Chansey take meager damage from Venomoth's special attacks, are resistances.</p> I think this belongs above. unaffected by Sleep Powder, thanks to Natural Cure, and can KO Venomoth with Seismic Toss. Heatran holding an Air Balloon can dispose of Venomoth, provided it doesn't switch into an attack that pops Air Balloon. Be aware that Venomoth's damage output, while respectable, isn't strong enough to do any major damage.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Sludge Bomb can be utilized as Venomoth's secondary STAB. Venomoth has a vast range of support options, consisting of Sleep Powder, Stun Spore, Toxic, Toxic Spikes, and Defog. A support set is viable, but Venomoth is just too frail to make effective use of it. Due to its decent offensive stats and Tinted Lens, a Choice Specs set can be considered. When not using Butterfly Dance though, Venomoth is largely outclassed by Tinted Lens Yanmega.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Because of its ability to put a Pokemon to sleep, usually from a +1 speed, Venomoth is surprisingly annoying to counter. Once Sleep Clause is in effect though, countering Venomoth becomes far easier, providing it hasn't put one of its counters to sleep. Bilssey and Chansey wall Venomoth completely because they can shrug off any attack that Venomoth can throw at it. The pink behemoths also render Sleep Powder useless due to Natural Cure. They cannot prevent it from using Baton Pass, though. A Specially Defensive Skarmory not only walls most of Venomoth's moveset, but can use Whirlwind to phase it. Unless Venomoth is running Hidden Power Ground, Heatran can counter it, providing it has used Sleep Powder previously. While they aren't counters by any means, Thundurus and Whimsicott can prevent any attempts to Baton Pass unless Venomoth runs Wonder Skin and it takes effect.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Venomoth gets Wonder Skin from the Dream World. This ability is rather situational, although halving the chance of paralysis from common Serene Grace users such as Body Slam Jirachi is nice. Also, halving the accuracy of crippling moves such as Taunt is useful on the Baton Pass set.</p>
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Other things you might want to add to the final. I'll try not to give too much that might cross the QC/GP "boundary." The additions are not completely necessary, of course, it's up to you. I wouldn't want the GP process to be held up because of these details:

-Add to the Sludge Bomb statement saying that it is stronger than Bug Buzz but largely outclassed (due to Bug Buzz already covering Grass types while adding two more types its storng against to the mix while Sludge Bomb doesn't affect Steel types).

-Somewhere within the second set's comments, you can also give the option of dropping Sleep Powder and running three attacks. In that case, Hidden Power Fire or Hidden Power Fighting are viable choices. Note that whatever choices you make in the entire set, you cannot hit everything of course.

-Last, I think Modest should be slashed alongside the second set since you have the possibility of garnering an extra boost (or two) when using Sleep Powder. When not using the move, Timid is usually the best option though.

Other than that, after Cherub's and Zystral's checks, I don't see any other issues with this analysis.

Venomoth > Volcarona, haha.
 
Focus Sash could be best on the Baton Pass set. If going second, QD after getting hit, survive with Focus Sash, Sleep Powder, then QD again on the switch, and Baton Pass out + 2 to SpA, SpD, and Spe.

If going first, Sleep Powder, QD on the switch, QD again, and then Baton Pass, or better yet hold on to Focus Sash to either attack after 1 QD or just have it so Venemoth can come in later and boost + pass. Tinted Lens might be replacable with Wonder Skin, as it can prevent sleep, paralysis, burn, etc.
 
[Overview]

<p>In the past, Venomoth has been often neglected in favor of its fellow Bug-types, particularly Yanmega. It is safe to say, However, that the advent of Generation V has been very kind to it, courtesy of the introduction of Quiver Dance, which is arguably the best boosting move in the game. In combination with a surprisingly healthy amount of support options, Baton Pass, decent offensive stats, and more importantly, the ability to use Tinted Lens in combination with Quiver Dance, Venomoth can become a devastating threat that can turn the tides of the game if played correctly.</p>

<p>However, that is not to say Venomoth lacks flaws. The bar for offensive stats was dramatically raised, leaving Venomoth's Special Attack in the dust. In addition to the bugs of past generations, Venomoth faces particularly severe competition from Volcarona, which sports better stats and a larger movepool. That said, in order to use Venomoth to it's full potential, one must abuse its advantages over other Pokemon, most notably its unique ability to Baton Pass Quiver Dance.</p>

[SET]
name: Baton Passer
move 1: Baton Pass
move 2: Quiver Dance
move 3: Sleep Powder
move 4: Bug Buzz
item: Leftovers
ability: Tinted Lens / Wonder Skin
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With the introduction of Quiver Dance in its movepool, Venomoth now has the ability to Baton Pass the destructive boosts that Quiver Dance provides to another Pokemon. Access to Sleep Powder allows Venomoth to successfully gain at least one boost while crippling a Pokemon in the process. Despite the minimal EV investment, Venomoth can hit hard against problematic Pokemon like Thundurus and Whimsicott. This is aided further by Quiver Dance and Tinted Lens, the latter making the lack of coverage in this set a relative non-issue.</p>

<p>Sleep Powder is crucial to this set's success as it allows Venomoth to guarantee a boost, and thus, a possible free Baton Pass. Bug Buzz acts as Venomoth's obligatory STAB attack and allows it to defeat Whimsicott and occasionally Thundurus. An offensive EV spread may be utilized over the current spread listed, but Venomoth's purpose is mainly focused on Baton Passing and thus, in most situations, it usually does not require additional power to succeed in its goal. Similarly, Life Orb is not recommended over Leftovers for the same reasons. Nidoking makes a great Baton Pass recipient, because of its decent stats, and perfect coverage with Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, and Flamethrower. Additionally, its ability, Sheer Force, boosts the power of Nidoking's attacks by 30% while removing their secondary effects.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Most specially -based Pokemon, particularly those who are often stopped from sweeping due to their low speed, greatly appreciate the boosts provided by Venomoth. Pokemon like Heatran or Magnezone not only benefit greatly from the Quiver Dance boosts, but have the resistances to safely switch in on the majority of attacks aimed at Venomoth. Heatran also gains an additional boost from Fire-type attacks. Pokemon that can get rid of priority users are great support for both the recipient and Venomoth, as priority is a real threat to a Quiver Dance sweep.</p>

<p>Being a Baton Passer, there are no true counters for Venomoth, particularly with Sleep Powder coming into play, allowing it to smoothly set up as long as it can find an opportunity to set up (seems repetitive here. you can probably replace "on" with "against") on a slower opponent. Priority bypasses the boost provided from by Quiver Dance and can somewhat damage Venomoth. In addition, Prankster users like Whimsicott and Thundurus can Taunt you, although neither enjoy a boosted Bug Buzz, since it KOes them with Stealth Rock and Life Orb recoil in the case of the latter. Furthermore, Venomoth is never OHKOed by a Thunderbolt from a Life Orb Thundurus after 1 Special Defense Boost. Venomoth can also run Wonder Skin, which halves the accuracy of non-attacking moves such as Taunt. This can be helpful to prevent the aforementioned Pokemon from shutting Venomoth down, but it requires an element of luck.</p>

[SET]
name: Quiver Dance Sweeper
move 1: Quiver Dance
move 2: Sleep Powder
move 3: Bug Buzz
move 4: Hidden Power Ground / Psychic
item: Life Orb
ability: Tinted Lens
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This Venomoth takes advantage of its offenses, and becomes a potentially devastating sweeper if taken lightly. Thanks to to Sleep Powder, Venomoth can smoothly (adjective seems out of place) cripple and setup against a slower enemy. Tinted Lens greatly enhances the neutral coverage of Venomoth's two attacks, and essentially eliminates the opponent's ability to defend against Venomoth using their resistances.</p>

<p>The choice in the last slot is based on what you want Venomoth to hit. Hidden Power Ground is Venomoth's best attack against Heatran, which is the most common OU Pokemon (don't think this is true anymore) with a 4x resistance to bug and cleanly defeats Venomoth with its powerful Fire -type attacks. Unfortunately, Air Balloon is a very common item for Heatran to run, but you should focus on popping it with Bug Buzz so you can proceed to OHKO with Hidden Power Ground. Psychic grants perfect neutral coverage alongside Bug Buzz factoring in Tinted Lens, and also provides an attack to hit Skarmory.</p>

[Additional Comments]

<p>Pokemon that can take down certain Steel-types can be a welcoming aid for Venomoth. A Specially Defensive Skarmory can easily wall most of Venomoth's movesets with ease, and can proceed to Whirlwind it out or take its time to set up Spikes. Heatran eliminates Steel-type Pokemon, resists Venomoth's weaknesses, and receives a Special Attack boost upon switching in against Fire-type attacks often aimed at Venomoth. Heatran can also set up Stealth Rock which assists Venomoth when sweeping. Tyranitar has decent synergy with Venomoth and can check most of Venomoth's counters; Fire -type Pokemonsuch as Heatran, as well as something missing here

<p>Bilssey and Chansey take meager damage from Venomoth's special attacks, are unaffected by Sleep Powder, thanks to Natural Cure, and can KO Venomoth with Seismic Toss. Heatran holding an Air Balloon can dispose of Venomoth, provided it doesn't switch into an attack (I think this is what you meant) Blissey and Chansey. Sandstorm does take its toll on Venomoth, though.</p> also something here k that pops Air Balloon. Be aware that Venomoth's damage output, while respectable, isn't strong enough to do any major damage.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Sludge Bomb can be utilized as Venomoth's secondary STAB. Giga Drain is also usable, as it is a useful method of recovering health lost from residual damage. Venomoth has a vast range of support options, consisting of Sleep Powder, Stun Spore, Toxic, Toxic Spikes, and Defog. A support set is viable, but Venomoth is just too frail to make effective use of it. Due to its decent offensive stats and Tinted Lens, a Choice Specs set can be considered. When not using Butterfly Dance though, Venomoth is largely outclassed by Tinted Lens Yanmega.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Because of its ability to put a Pokemon to sleep, usually from a +1 speed, Venomoth is surprisingly annoying to counter. Once Sleep Clause is in effect though, countering Venomoth becomes far easier, providing it hasn't put one of its counters to sleep. Bilssey and Chansey wall Venomoth completely because they can shrug off any attack that Venomoth can throw at it. The pink behemoths also render Sleep Powder useless due to Natural Cure. They cannot prevent it from using Baton Pass, though. A Specially Defensive Skarmory not only walls most of Venomoth's moveset, but can use Whirlwind to phaze it. Unless Venomoth is running Hidden Power Ground, Heatran can counter it, providing it has used Sleep Powder previously. While they aren't counters by any means, Thundurus and Whimsicott can prevent any attempts to Baton Pass unless Venomoth runs Wonder Skin and it takes effect.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Venomoth gets Wonder Skin from the Dream World. This ability is rather situational, although halving the chance of paralysis from common Serene Grace users such as Body Slam Jirachi is nice. Also, halving the accuracy of crippling moves such as Taunt is useful on the Baton Pass set.</p>
 
Just curious but is there any way to make use of Morning Sun/Roost when combined with quiver dance to make something similar to a sleep talk Heracross but with more speed and control but less bulk.

If this is the wrong thread to ask then my bad.
 
Small nitpick but in the Dreamworld section, the ability you are referencing in your description is Shield Dust, which prevents secondary effects from happening while Wonder Skin halves the chance of Status moves from working such as Thunder Wave or Sleep Powder or something like that.
 
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