BAM!
Edit: Check
Shedinja @ Focus Sash
Ability: Wonder Guard
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 lol / 252 Spe
Adamant nature
- Will-O-Wisp / Toxic
- Swords Dance
- Shadow Sneak
- X-Scissor
KYUREM-B INCOMING!!!
With the BoltBeam combo(ThundZard actually) equipped, all the checks that would first come to mind were taken away, so i had to look for something that can come in on after some boosts, hit it hard on the physical side(preferably super effectively), and tank the hits. Now there are many things that can switch in, and many things that can hit hard, but a combo was difficult to find. Problem with Zekrom was it couldn't come in safely due to Primal Ogre having way more SpA than regular Ogre(and it got reserved by someone else). In came its ancestor! I gave it an AV cos that's the dumbest obv answer to take special hits, changed the set to more physical one than what's famous in OU(according to calc). I first went about checking can 252+ Fusion Bolt Strike OHKO, and it couldn't(maxed out at 97 something), so i started tweaking the rest of the EVs to try to avoid being 2HKO'd by +1 Origin Pulse. I realised that i can 2HKO w/o any attack investment, and it gave me way more freedom with the spread. You can outspeed the given Kyogre with neutral nature 40 Spe, so it actually a thing of personal preference when it came to EVing, and everyone has a lot of freedom with it. I chose 200 HP / 32+ SpDef to avoid the 2HKO from +1 attacks, rest went to Attack.
edit: upon jibaku's pointing out the supposed fault in my spread(i think i got what he meant, but i disagree with the nature cos you only 2hko so the attack shouldn't matter), i switched to 248 HP / 200+ SpDef so that i'm now only 3hko'd by +2 Origin Pulse, which i didn't think of earlier cos living +1 attacks seemed enough to me.
+1 252+ SpA Kyogre Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Zekrom in Rain: 315-372 (92.3 - 109%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO------>standard banded/scarfed Zekrom
252+ SpA Kyogre Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 0+ SpD Zekrom: 306-362 (89.7 - 106.1%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO------>i had pity and gave it a +SpDef nature, didn't help
Also gonna take this opportunity to point out since Scarf Kyogre is dead, you can try Banded Zekrom, or be creative
+2 252+ SpA Kyogre Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 200+ SpD Assault Vest Kyurem-B in Rain: 177-209 (39 - 46.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 Atk Teravolt Kyurem-B Fusion Bolt vs. 180 HP / 0 Def Kyogre: 250-296 (64.7 - 76.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Kyurem-Black @ Assault Vest
Ability: Teravolt
EVs: 248 HP / 20 Atk / 200 SpD / 40 Spe
Gentle Nature
- Fusion Bolt
- Outrage
- Ice Beam
- Dragon Tail
Counter: Based Mon Torterra
Torterra @ Leftovers
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 200 HP / 56 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Synthesis
- Stealth Rock / Toxic
- Wood Hammer / Stone Edge
The first two moves are what really matters in this set, others are just your choice. Torterra, being one of the few mons that resist Edgequake counters this set with ease. With STAB Earthquake and a decent Attack stat (at least by NU standards) it is able to 2HKO this Primal Groudon set. More importantly, it has access to reliable recovery in Synthesis so it can switch in on Groudon throughout the match.
56 Atk Torterra Earthquake vs. 120 HP / 0 Def Groudon: 164-194 (44.2 - 52.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
And here is Groudon against Torterra:
252+ Atk Primal Groudon Earthquake vs. 200 HP / 252+ Def Torterra: 80-94 (20.9 - 24.6%) -- guaranteed 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
And here is the calc to show that even if Groudon SDs on the switch-in, Torterra wins:
+2 252+ Atk Primal Groudon Earthquake vs. 200 HP / 252+ Def Torterra: 159-188 (41.7 - 49.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Since even at +2 it's a 3HKO, and Torterra only needs 2 turns to finish Groudon, this Torterra proves itself a counter.
EDIT: I want to say on that last calc, yes Torterra can switch in and still win after Stealth Rock damage since it's carrying Leftovers. Also changed the calc on Torterra's EQ, as xDesch pointed out I forgot to adjust PDon's Defese stat. But it seems all Torterra needs is the tiniest bit of prior damage, as you can see from Stealth Rock.
to this i'd say that you've to realise what you've problems with. Say you've problem with the set posted in OP, so we give you checks/counters to it. It might be that the same mon threatens your team with another set, so you obviously don't use the mons from here cos the sets are different. It depends on whether you can realise what you're weak to.
Latias (F) @ Soul Dew
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 44 SAtk / 216 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Calm Mind
- Roost
ye based eon lord has returned to counter sum primal whales jaja. this spread is essentially max spdef, but 216 happens to hit a jump-point and allows you to invest 44 more spatk ev's. these aren't too significant, but they improve it's chance to 2hko with neutral psyshock after rocks by which is pretty nice ngl. with soul dew, latias can comfortable tank blizzards, and set up calm minds to reliably beat kyogre. psyshock is choosen to ignore the spdef boost kyogre gets from calm mind, as well as hitting on its weaker defensive side. as we can see from this calc: 252+ SpA Kyogre Blizzard vs. +1 248 HP / 216+ SpD Latias: 138-164 (38 - 45.1%), latias can always switch into kyogre, set up a calm mind and roost up. if kyogre goes for CM on the switch, latias can just outspeed and take the damage listed above that turn. it can then roost on the next cm, and cm again itself etc. this set is even crit-proof for the most part, as even with a (neutral) crit, latias can still roost off the damage and set up cm's, the only way kyogre can beat this is when it freezes it on the switch. if you really wanted, you could even run enough spatk to always kill it after rocks, but that 1. really cuts down its bulk, 2. relies on rocks to be up and 3. kyogre is a free set-up opportunity so using calm mind is smarter.
+1 44 SpA Latias Psyshock vs. 180 HP / 0 Def Kyogre: 160-189 (41.4 - 48.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 44 SpA Latias Psyshock vs. 180 HP / 0 Def Kyogre: 160-189 (41.4 - 48.9%) -- 77.7% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA [Base 180 Water Type] Blizzard vs. +1 248 HP / 216+ SpD Latias: 138-164 (38 - 45.1%) -- 9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
ps: the calcs are +1/+1 because the calc doesn't have soul dew implemented
Few flaws here. First of all, pay attention to the thread! The given Kyogre set only has 76 speed evs, so you outspeed it. Furthermore, hax is never accounted for in check counter scenarios by definition. You can basically set up on Kyogre since you out speed and can comfortably roost stall.
since you outspeed kyogre anyway, i'd suggest you take some EVs from Spe and put them in HP. 96 in either HP or SpDef help you avoid the 2hkoImma nominating this Palkia set as a check.
Name : Palkia
Status : Check
Palkia @ Assault Vest
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Aqua Tail
- Spacial Rend
- Outrage
- Fire Blast / Thunder
Bringing back the Physically-based Mix Attacker from DP, except I slapped on an Assault Vest to take Kyogre's hits much more efficiently. Even with Kyogre at +1, Palkia has a good chance of surviving 2 hits
+1 252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Blizzard/Thunder vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Palkia: 144-170 (44.8 - 52.9%) -- 28.1% chance to 2HKO
Whilst Palkia nets a guaranteed 2HKO with Outrage
252 Atk Palkia Outrage vs. 180 HP / 0 Def Kyogre: 204-240 (52.8 - 62.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Lets compare it to aura sphere vs. focus blast on mm2y last gen. Aura sphere did what is was supposed to do 0% of the time, focus blast did it 70% of the time. I would go with the latter, and it's the same for blizzard on kyogre (albeit blizzard isnt that much more effectie). Your name is kinda ironic btw haha
It's actually 80 in HP to avoid the 2HKO without Stealth Rocks or 72 in Special Defense to avoid the 2HKO without Stealth Rocks. With Stealth Rocks, you'll need 252 in HP to reduce the chance of 2HKO to as low as 2.3%, and 240 in Special Defense to avoid the 2HKO with Stealth Rocks.
