yea, it hasnt ben CONFIRMED to be 3. but it is either 3 or higher.. so it very well could be 3, 4 or 5. i highly doubt it is higher than 3, but knowing it has the possibility is comforting. either way a +3 boost is ridiculously good.
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Volbeat
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yea, it hasnt ben CONFIRMED to be 3. but it is either 3 or higher.. so it very well could be 3, 4 or 5. i highly doubt it is higher than 3, but knowing it has the possibility is comforting. either way a +3 boost is ridiculously good.
Yes, which is why I said that Pokemon with a speed lower than Volbeat's speed will let him Baton Pass before their priority OHKOs him, and is also why I'm a proponent of running max speed with a +nature. The ones faster that actually use priority, of which there aren't many, only really use Extremespeed anyways which now has +2 priority so it makes MH moot. (Lucario, Arcanine)
Imma pass +3 SpA to mah Super Machamp!
But seriously, Volbeat is pretty boss. Though I am wondering what would be the best recipient, Lucario could make some use of vaccum wave. Though I think Jolteon would be great, because he can do some major damage then baton pass the boost to someone else.
But seriously, Volbeat is pretty boss. Though I am wondering what would be the best recipient, Lucario could make some use of vaccum wave. Though I think Jolteon would be great, because he can do some major damage then baton pass the boost to someone else.
I think running max/max HP and Def might be the best idea. The only special priority, Vacuum Wave, is resisted by it anyway, and like said above, the faster users of priority are all ExtremeSpeed. Save for Mamoswine and Weavile I guess, but even then, max defense should help against them.
Volbeat and Ninjask will prove great support, especially when used together.
How's this scenerio?
Umbreon is versing a Pokemon with status moves and it Mean Look passes to Volbeat w/ Focus Sash.
Volbeat Encores, double Tail Glows, and then passes it to Lucario or something.
That would be scary, but how often would that happen?
I look forward to playing around with the Tail Glow/BatPas set. Yay for a NU actually having a purpose now!
Umbreon is versing a Pokemon with status moves and it Mean Look passes to Volbeat w/ Focus Sash.
Volbeat Encores, double Tail Glows, and then passes it to Lucario or something.
That would be scary, but how often would that happen?
I look forward to playing around with the Tail Glow/BatPas set. Yay for a NU actually having a purpose now!
Volbeat's not the only NU with a purpose now. There's also Politoed, Ninetales, and I think a few others...
Volbeat is 3rd gen.
Honestly, this surprised me. I knew Volbeat gained Mischievous Heart, and I vaguely guessed it had B pass, but I never made a connection like this. Amazing.
Either way, set up or sweep, Baton pass is a great move to use. Simply set up, and either immediately pass out, or try and sweep before you pass out. Really quite sick. We now have three great Bug Baton Passers. And is it just more or are they giving bug types a lot of attention this gen?
Its pretty hard to think up with ideas for this guy, because now he has so much potential.
Mischievous Heart is an insanely fun and awesome ability.
I'm so glad Volbeat is getting all of these new toys to play with- especially Mischievous Heart, I think it will be outclassing Smeargle as a special passer.
Imma pass +3 SpA to mah Super Machamp!
But seriously, Volbeat is pretty boss. Though I am wondering what would be the best recipient, Lucario could make some use of vaccum wave. Though I think Jolteon would be great, because he can do some major damage then baton pass the boost to someone else.
I mentioned Toxicroak previously and it seems to be a really good recipient as it has Vacuum Wave, as Lucario seems harder to manage as its weak to Mach Punch. I even made a New Toxicroak thread right HERE and i spotlighted a set that takes advantage of baton pass Volbeat so you know all the details on how itd work. its the first set.
the 2 work very well together, but i cant help but want to name them Raymond (volbeat) and Naveen (Toxicroak). the firefly and frog prince from Princess and the Frog. Itd be complete awesomeness to beat someone to a pulp with a Disney named team, lmao
Wow, this could be the new premier SpA passer. It could pass one tail glow to Kokoromori and make it basically like a special bellypass.
Jolteon seems like a good recipient, albeit it gets hurt on the pass alot by physical attacks, so watch out for earthquake and even rock-type attacks that Volbeat attracts. but that is an added bonus and a good point about Jolteon, after it is done spreading Thunderbolt and Shadow Ball to the enemy, and is in danger of being KOd by a faster opponent or cant take out the foe and will die trying, it has access to baton pass as well to keep the +6 going. seems like a very good pla but i cant help but think jolteon might be a little risky. it might work and might not with so many physical priority moves out there.
the only thing Volbeat needs to worry about is Taunt, they have taunt on their lead and your entire strat is moot.
well you'd have two options while going up against a common taunt user.
1. you can start off with priority thunderwave, that way he is at the very least just as crippled as you. and you have a chance his taunt wont go through as he might be fully paralyzed that turn.
2. start with tail glow, if he does taunt you, then you still have the option to hit it with Thunderbolt or Bug Buzz from a high special attack stat.
if you do get a fully paralyzed foe, then you can proceed to use tail glow as the opponent switches or tries again. taunt users are fairly predictable and if they do use taunt, you can always switch out before damage is taken (except of course if they run pursuit as well). this still works wonders if you think they will follow up with stealth rocks as you can switch in Espeon. but yea, volbeat can manage minor disruptions like this.
I hope i see one of these and send out an illumise just to go, "OH I SEE HOW IT IS!"
anyways this looks like its gonna be a great baton passer. it could be a mix sweeper with tail glow+3 attacks with support from ninjask.
edit:
you can run encore on volbeat, might be something to consider. let the gyara set up the DD while you priority encore its face.
anyways this looks like its gonna be a great baton passer. it could be a mix sweeper with tail glow+3 attacks with support from ninjask.
edit:
you can run encore on volbeat, might be something to consider. let the gyara set up the DD while you priority encore its face.
I know the enemy won't be this stupid, but a hypothetical scenario:
Volbeat used tail glow
Uxie used reflect
Volbeat used encore
Uxie used reflect, but it failed
Enemy switched to swampert
Volbeat used tail glow
Volbeat used baton pass. Switched to scarfed tinted lens yanmega
Swampert used ice punch. Yanmega survives
GG
And unless the opponent has heatran/lucario/skarmory/blissey any other x4 resister to bug, you just need 1 tail glow.
Volbeat used tail glow
Uxie used reflect
Volbeat used encore
Uxie used reflect, but it failed
Enemy switched to swampert
Volbeat used tail glow
Volbeat used baton pass. Switched to scarfed tinted lens yanmega
Swampert used ice punch. Yanmega survives
GG
And unless the opponent has heatran/lucario/skarmory/blissey any other x4 resister to bug, you just need 1 tail glow.
Mamoswine is fast ok...
i personally dont see any need for EVs in its defenses. it wont survive practically anyting anyways. its job is to set up and pass away. and it has the ability to do exactly that with Mischievous Heart. Tail Glow 1st turn, then Baton Pass 2d turn, and a focus sash for any possibly attacks on the first turn. thats it. you can add a 2nd tail glow if your opponent used a non-attacking move or encore it which is even better, proceeding with another tail glow after that.
i don't see anything in the paragraph above that would warrant a defensive EV spread. we know his solid counters in Lucario, Weaville, Infernape and Arcanine provided they have the correct priority moves, so we know to thunder wave them or get out. its not that hard to use Volbeat effectively as long as you don't stay in when he can't handle it. But unless your opponent specifically has one of those right when you use your first tail glow, your golden to get the baton pass in.
i don't see anything in the paragraph above that would warrant a defensive EV spread. we know his solid counters in Lucario, Weaville, Infernape and Arcanine provided they have the correct priority moves, so we know to thunder wave them or get out. its not that hard to use Volbeat effectively as long as you don't stay in when he can't handle it. But unless your opponent specifically has one of those right when you use your first tail glow, your golden to get the baton pass in.
I really love Volbeat as a lead.
It doesn't have to worry about SR, so it can run a sash. With it, it is guaranteed to always pass +3 to somebody, and there's a ton of stuff that really appreciates that boost.
You can also run Encore over Thunder Wave to shut down anything that dares to try and set something up.
I can really see Volbeat becoming a prominent passer in Standard, even Smeargle can't do its job better than it can.
It doesn't have to worry about SR, so it can run a sash. With it, it is guaranteed to always pass +3 to somebody, and there's a ton of stuff that really appreciates that boost.
You can also run Encore over Thunder Wave to shut down anything that dares to try and set something up.
I can really see Volbeat becoming a prominent passer in Standard, even Smeargle can't do its job better than it can.
of this i can agree. the underdog(err... bug) has the potential to be very effective, especially as a lead. it must watch out for erufuun however if it also becomes a prominent lead. but thats just yelling to be partnered with the dream world espeon. --- if going up against erufuun starters, switch on the most predictable Taunt ever to your espeon and laugh as erufuun has just essentially taunted itself.
as ive said before people. a guaranteed +3 sp atk baton pass is too good to pass up. and the possibility to make it a +6 that actually isnt too farfetched to achieve, should tickle every bone in those thumbs you use to press the A button.
+3 Sp. Atk boost with +1 priority? Yes please. And Baton pass too? Wow Volbeat is serious business.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsSvm5l_-kk
The player in this vid got not one but two +6 Tail Glow passes in. However, Erufuun really screwed Volbeat (and the rest of his team for that matter) over with Substitue, Encore and Leech Seed. I think Volbeat runs into trouble with other MH users because Erufuun and the genies are all faster than him.
The player in this vid got not one but two +6 Tail Glow passes in. However, Erufuun really screwed Volbeat (and the rest of his team for that matter) over with Substitue, Encore and Leech Seed. I think Volbeat runs into trouble with other MH users because Erufuun and the genies are all faster than him.