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- Thread starter Rising_Dusk
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IMO, this is the best special sweeper there is. I've been using it with BD/3 attacks, and it's easy to draw a choiced fire or draco with something else on the team, set up, and sweep. There's very few things that can stop it after even one BD, and those are easy enough to draw out and weaken, or even switch out only to set up again later.
Ive been using this on Pokemon Online for the past couple of days....
God damn. This son of a bitch is one hell of a sweeper. +1 butterfly dance and it's pretty much GG.
So far the only thing that has been able to wall it is Blissey. Anything else either gets further set up upon, or plowed straight through.
God damn. This son of a bitch is one hell of a sweeper. +1 butterfly dance and it's pretty much GG.
So far the only thing that has been able to wall it is Blissey. Anything else either gets further set up upon, or plowed straight through.
+1 Timid LO Bug Buzz vs 394/319 Milotic: (55.58% - 65.48%)
+1 Timid Bug Buzz vs. 394/319 Milotic: (42.89% - 51.02%)
Meanwhile, Milotic can strike back with a decently powered STAB attack:
236 SpA Boiling Water vs. +1 6/0 Neutral Urugamosu: (35.26% - 42.31%)
236 SpA Surf vs. +1 6/0 Neutral Urugamosu: (42.95% - 50.64%)
What do these calcs mean? Basically, Milotic will barely scrape out of the encounter (assuming Stealth Rock) should Urugamoth be running Leftovers, and that's with use of Boiling Water. LO Urgamosu will kill itself in the process of killing Milotic with 2 Bug Buzzes.
Should Milotic be running Dragon Tail, it can simply switch in, phaze Urugamosu, and let Stealth Rock deal with it on the way in next time; a solid choice either way.
Milotic actually does a fairly decent job of taking on Urugamosu. With a spread of 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 SpD Calm:
+1 Timid LO Bug Buzz vs 394/319 Milotic: (55.58% - 65.48%)
+1 Timid Bug Buzz vs. 394/319 Milotic: (42.89% - 51.02%)
... So in other words Miltoic can't switch in at all to LO variants, and is probably dead if it switches into non-LO variants should entry hazards be in play? You basically have to bring it in on the first Bug Buzz, or after it kills something which makes it a questionable choice at best. Then you have to consider that with entry hazards (Which any decent team running Mothra will be using) and any amount of switching in from beforehand you may be screwed over in the process of stopping it. And this is assuming a purely offensive variant, where as any bulkier set will just BD several times and take very little damage in return.
Actually, I'd say 56 EVs are the better investment. You sit above base 120s after +1 and above Jolly Scarfchomp after +2. Or, if you really want to go the extra mile, 108 EVs put you above base 70s at +0, base 130s after +1, and Scarf base 110s at +2
no in comparison ulgamoth is the metagross of this generation. A pokemon that breaks the trend of if the pseudo legendary exist before legandary it is before them trend like metagross breaking the 1 pseudo each gen trend in gen 3. It is get at very low level(egg and given) and finaly it is used by champion of the gen
No offense, but I'm actually wondering if you read my post at all. Milotic can come in on any of Urugamoth's attacks and if you don't want to attack it head on, just phaze it with Dragon Tail. A significant amount of entry hazards are required for Urgamoth to OHKO with +1 LO Bug Buzz, while unboosted LO Urgamoth always loses.
Leftovers Urgamoth loses even worse. See the (+1) I included? It means that Milotic switched into Urgamoth as it used Butterfly Dance, so it only gets hit by 1 attack. Even with entry hazards, Urgamoth will never OHKO Milotic, especially as she uses either Recover or ResTalk to remain healthy throughout the match.
My point is, you can subtitute Mioltic for anything with a decent offensive stat that can take one of Urugamosu's attacks and get the exact same result if they switch into the right move. What exactly is it that Mioltic has that makes it any better an answer to Urugamosu than anything else after Stealth Rock has already massacered it? The only benefit I'm seeing here to using Mioltic specifically is her combination of decent Sp.Atk and access to Dragon Tail. Otherwise all I'm getting is "Stealth Rock counters Urugamosu"
Ulgamoth is not a Psuedo-Legendary. All Psuedo-Legends have a 3 stage line and a 600 BST.
Ulgamoth is probably best compared to Rotom. Except for the fact it has much better stats and Rotom doesn't evolve, they are fairly similar. Both are Pokemon with unique typings found just before the legendary trios near the end of the dex who are only obtained once and at a specific location, and who seem somewhat like a Legendary but aren't quite one.
I really like the sound of the physically defensive boosting sets. It could make a great check to Fighting Types like Roobushin who use Dark moves for coverage rather than Rock. You could start setting up or immediately take Roobushin down with Psychic.
I'm still not completely sold on Fire Dance over Fire Blast. I would imagine that Fire Dance would be better on more bulky sets but Fire Blast could be useful on all out offensive sets to scout with a stronger move and get past crucial checks with the extra power. For those who have tried out both, which was more effective? I guess personal preference would also be a large factor.
Cynthia uses lucario, and lucario is gotten in an egg. and it's still a stage 2 pokemon (stage 1 by TCG standards). also, he isn't a pseudo legend the same way that dragonite and garchomp are. When I first heard of Lucario, I actually thought he was a legendary Pokemon. I just think that ulgamoth is meant to be something special, similarly to lucario was in gen IV. (evidenced by his status as a character in SSBB)
my irrelevant arguments aside, does anyone use fire dance? When I first heard about it, I thought it would help him accumulate boosts while doing damage, similar to overconfidence or charge beam. But it seems to have taken a backseat to fire blast...
In Icyman's scenario Urugamosu's not going to hit Milotic on the switch, it's going to be faster and hit first next turn with BD boosted attacks.
Ulgamoth has never left my main team in two weeks of using it and fire dance is the correct decision.
Fire Dance has never failed to OHKO whatever I used it on, and it never misses. The SPA increase is a massive bonus. Fire Blast misses and could end your sweep as a result.
I think Fire Blast might be better on a choice set, but who uses those? Fire Dance is certainly the better option on the sweeping set.
Fire Dance has never failed to OHKO whatever I used it on, and it never misses. The SPA increase is a massive bonus. Fire Blast misses and could end your sweep as a result.
I think Fire Blast might be better on a choice set, but who uses those? Fire Dance is certainly the better option on the sweeping set.
I found that when using this set, you basically, actually no, you DO shit on every single dragon in the game, as well as the new specially oriented one, Sazandora:
Ulgamoth @ Life Orb
Timid Nature (+Spe, -Atk)
8 HP / 248 Sp Atk / 252 Spe
Butterfly Dance
Flamethrower
Bug Buzz
Hidden Power Ice
You really shouldn't mind the power drop in Flamethrower, because a Butterfly Dance will still allow you to OHKO much that you would after a +1 Fire Blast. Also, HP Ice and Bug Buzz shit on every dragon in the game, like I said before. Bug Buzz pretty much OHKO's every dragon that isnt 4x weak to Ice, and that's why HP Ice is there. Also, because of his ability to counter dragons, Infernape makes a perfect offensive core with this guy. Just be wary of the double ground weakness.
Ulgamoth @ Life Orb
Timid Nature (+Spe, -Atk)
8 HP / 248 Sp Atk / 252 Spe
Butterfly Dance
Flamethrower
Bug Buzz
Hidden Power Ice
You really shouldn't mind the power drop in Flamethrower, because a Butterfly Dance will still allow you to OHKO much that you would after a +1 Fire Blast. Also, HP Ice and Bug Buzz shit on every dragon in the game, like I said before. Bug Buzz pretty much OHKO's every dragon that isnt 4x weak to Ice, and that's why HP Ice is there. Also, because of his ability to counter dragons, Infernape makes a perfect offensive core with this guy. Just be wary of the double ground weakness.
Milotic actually does a fairly decent job of taking on Urugamosu. With a spread of 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 SpD Calm:
+1 Timid LO Bug Buzz vs 394/319 Milotic: (55.58% - 65.48%)
+1 Timid Bug Buzz vs. 394/319 Milotic: (42.89% - 51.02%)
Meanwhile, Milotic can strike back with a decently powered STAB attack:
236 SpA Boiling Water vs. +1 6/0 Neutral Urugamosu: (35.26% - 42.31%)
236 SpA Surf vs. +1 6/0 Neutral Urugamosu: (42.95% - 50.64%)
What do these calcs mean? Basically, Milotic will barely scrape out of the encounter (assuming Stealth Rock) should Urugamoth be running Leftovers, and that's with use of Boiling Water. LO Urgamosu will kill itself in the process of killing Milotic with 2 Bug Buzzes.
Should Milotic be running Dragon Tail, it can simply switch in, phaze Urugamosu, and let Stealth Rock deal with it on the way in next time; a solid choice either way.
IMO, LO is a far inferior item on Ulgamoth than Leftovers. Ulgamoth's biggest selling point is its bulk, speed, and power once set up, and setting up requires time and HP. Leftovers in addition to more defensive spreads will help players get those BDs off, and once you're at +2 or +3 with a base SpA of 135, you probably won't care whether or not you're getting a measily 1.3 boost, and you'll probably wind up with a full health moth at the end as leftovers heals off the pitiful damage you might take from a few desparate priority attacks.
In a nutshell, the more defensive the moth you send into battle, the more likely you are to wind up with that offensive juggernaut people are so excited about.
You seem to think that Urgamoth is capable of using both Butterfly Dance and Bug Buzz in the same turn that Milotic switches in. It isn't.
Meanwhile, Urgamoth is forced out by Dragon Tail and Milotic takes significantly less damage than fellow phazers Suicune and Vaporeon.
Milotic could care less about Leftovers variants as well, and with Dragon Tail is doesn't face 4MS syndrome like Vaporeon (HP Electric vs Ice Beam) and Suicune.
It's too bad that we don't have any water type pokemon with technician (and aqua jet of course). If we did, they would be the PERFECT counter against him.