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Weather or Not Here I Come!
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Well how'd i skip over rating this team. It actually looks pretty nice.
-Typlosion:Scarf set is amazing. Put it under sun and you got a instant tank coming straight at ya.
Whismicott:If you decide to make your team more sun oriented(which imo you should), take out tailwind and put encore or taunt. Those moves are still needed, and you'll have 2 clorophyll abusers anyway.
Eelecktross:Meh not the greatest choice. You should have shiftry, and then you can lead fake out+sunny day....Now if you take my advice below you should change protect for explosion, and give it the normal gem.
Lucario:Not the greastest pokemon around. I believe you should change it. Ever thought of sunny day chandelure. It would look like this:
chandelure@focus sash/fire gem
modest(252 sp.atk, 252 speed)
heat wave
shadow ball
sunny day
protect
Toxicroak: Look heres one thing. You have a whismicott who knows sunny day. It can change The Weather, and stop swift swim boost in its tracks. So why do you need toxicroak? I suggest changing it to a pokemon that can help your huge dragon weakness(latios walls your whole team, and is faster than chandy)
I suggest you go withScarf terrakion who benifits from sun, and can ohko faster threats in this case x-scissor ko's latios.Not to mention he'd love the ally switch support, to cover fighting weakness.
The rest looks nice. gl at vgc.
-Typlosion:Scarf set is amazing. Put it under sun and you got a instant tank coming straight at ya.
Whismicott:If you decide to make your team more sun oriented(which imo you should), take out tailwind and put encore or taunt. Those moves are still needed, and you'll have 2 clorophyll abusers anyway.
Eelecktross:Meh not the greatest choice. You should have shiftry, and then you can lead fake out+sunny day....Now if you take my advice below you should change protect for explosion, and give it the normal gem.
Lucario:Not the greastest pokemon around. I believe you should change it. Ever thought of sunny day chandelure. It would look like this:
chandelure@focus sash/fire gem
modest(252 sp.atk, 252 speed)
heat wave
shadow ball
sunny day
protect
Toxicroak: Look heres one thing. You have a whismicott who knows sunny day. It can change The Weather, and stop swift swim boost in its tracks. So why do you need toxicroak? I suggest changing it to a pokemon that can help your huge dragon weakness(latios walls your whole team, and is faster than chandy)
I suggest you go withScarf terrakion who benifits from sun, and can ohko faster threats in this case x-scissor ko's latios.Not to mention he'd love the ally switch support, to cover fighting weakness.
The rest looks nice. gl at vgc.
With Electric Gem, I get a hard hitting stab electric move, and i still get the acrobatics boost when i use it. But I'm probably going to take the advice that is two posts up
All of your advice is great, and I'll probably make most of those changes, hell, maybe all of them. But for Shiftry, when you mean fake out+sunny day, do you mean run sunny day on something else and set up sunny day while I fake out? Or run fake out and sunny day on shiftry?
I meant your partner run sunny day. You pretty much got the basics on shiftrys moveset. For you its just a matter of protect or explosion.
Note: If you don't have a chandy I have a flawless modest 1 in my box.
Also@ Sax King
the Vgc is quick, so sometimes running ninetales may feel like a burden. Like when people use politoed. Its just there, and is pretty weak.
2nd note: Trust me. I ran a rain team w/o politoed, and Im 2nd on the gbu which is vgc for the U.S.(though im in 1800+ now).
That would be nice If I could get my hands on it :D Thanks dude, your, so far, the best help, I want a lot more notice on this thread though, because the more the merrier!
Yah, but if I go against other tailwind teams, Typhlosion will get outsped and his Eruption with a Weakruption. So when I see tailwind (which, by the way, I suck at finding tailwind teams in team preview) should I set up trick room with whimsicott?
Well if I scarf terrakion and fire gem Chandelure, what do I run on Typhloshion?
Well if you saw the national finals for seniors last year, the guy that got second place used a very original, creative team. If I want to win, I don't want to win with all the unoriginal stuff. I'm already regretting becoming involved in weather wars but as Kid Kadabra said, "Eruption pretty much says, "Shower me with sun so I can rape stuff!"
Ehhhhh sounds harsh but I wouldn't take this to a tournament. Just treat it as practise run in making a good VGC team, and make something else with stronger Pokémon.
Typhlosion especially I can't see holding out well in a tournament setting. And Terrakion just won't work: X-Scissor is never going to deal with any psychics, who will just OHKO you back. Shiftry and Whimsicott are no good either. I do like the Gallade, though I'd run it with adamant and a psychic or fighting gem.
So yeah I'd just start afresh. Although if you're using this for the American regionals on sunday then that's not really an option. Just um, do your best with what you've got. It's alright, but just don't expect to win: this team just reminds me a lot of what I was running back in 2010, when I got too caught up in being different and anti-meta to the point where the standard lurker meta actually countered me. Yeah, an anti-meta team countered by scarf kyogre. Only me.
Don't get me wrong, it's a nicely made team. I just think you could have a much more solid base to it, which basically means it's better to rebuilt from scratch.
Typhlosion especially I can't see holding out well in a tournament setting. And Terrakion just won't work: X-Scissor is never going to deal with any psychics, who will just OHKO you back. Shiftry and Whimsicott are no good either. I do like the Gallade, though I'd run it with adamant and a psychic or fighting gem.
So yeah I'd just start afresh. Although if you're using this for the American regionals on sunday then that's not really an option. Just um, do your best with what you've got. It's alright, but just don't expect to win: this team just reminds me a lot of what I was running back in 2010, when I got too caught up in being different and anti-meta to the point where the standard lurker meta actually countered me. Yeah, an anti-meta team countered by scarf kyogre. Only me.
Don't get me wrong, it's a nicely made team. I just think you could have a much more solid base to it, which basically means it's better to rebuilt from scratch.
Ehh, i really don't think you know what your talking about, I've gotten great feedback from everyone else, and have tested this team to much success. I've beaten with it on PO Cybertron(National Champion) Deaglebeagle (well known battler) Kamz(World Champion). With a variety of different leads I can come at my opponent from many different directions. And with many supposed leads (Fake TerraCott) I can confuse them. You can't just come on to the RMT and talk about how bad it is. Especially if you've never seen it in action.
Wow just remembered item clause haha. I believe you should move the sash to terrakion as he gets ko'd fairly easily, and he's actually slower than latios so any extra advantage would help. If that doesn't work theres chople berry. It guarantees you'll survive any non gem boosted fighting attack which is always a plus. Also what is gallade outspeeding with 252atk, 252 speed(my memory is bad, and I can't see what it outspeeds.). Especially if this is a ally switcher. He'll need all the bulk he can get(so 252hp,252atk). Then He might be able to use a fighting gem, which any boost in power is a plus.
Hmm good idea, i was going to argue the sash switch with gallade fragility, but I guess your right, but remember with steadfast i get a speed boost
I think you need to re-read what I've said; I wasn't trashing your team at all. Just don't get too cocky from beating a couple of decent people once or twice, especially on PO where it's rare for people to take their playing seriously.
And as for me knowing what I'm talking about... I think going 5-1 in masters division worlds and being top of the skarmbliss ladder on half a dozen different alts through this season and last speaks for itself. It's your choice whether or not to take constructive criticism (though really you should since you made an RMT), just don't get too cock-sure after having beaten only a couple of people. Like I said, it's a nice team: just don't expect to win the tournament, cause the foundations of it aren't solid enough. I guess you'll learn with experience lol; I did. Just remember, I've been there and done it with developing teambuilding skills so I know what I'm doing. I'd just rather save another person from losing like a nob instead of winning, like I did my first 2 years of VGC.
But yeah I'd definitely drop Whimsicott especially since it really hurts your damage output. The whole team struggles against bulky goodstuffs (and especially rain variants) as a whole too, which is why I'm advising something more like that. Bulky goodstuffs with weather is pretty much the only viable option in this metagame so I guess I'd probably end up advising everyone to use the same team, but yeah it's just the best option. Not that everyone will end up using the same team since obviously people have differing opinions, but it doesn't escape from being the single best team option available.
In fact even though I'm supposed to be working right now I'll give you a battle on PO just to show you the team's weak points.
Oh Zog we already know your a amazing trainer.Whipped my arse, and actually inspired me to run bulkier pokemon haha.(btw I loved your philosophy on being a better trainer XD. It was enjoyable). Though its still the 1st season of vgc. In time he'll figure his/her? mistakes. Though I actually like the team which is why I even decided to look at this team. I believe he/she can make it far. Though the core may seem unstable take a look at half the vgc rmts. Imo they all suck. This team has potential to make it far imo again. As you said most people in regionals suck, so he dsnt have much to worry about.
I just like being helpful. :3
I've been in a really kind of thoughtful mood all day today lol. And yeah, virtually all of the RMTs do suck (since if people are good enough to win they don't usually want advice) so I kind of like to give the odd bit of constructive criticism. The team just reminds me of my 2010 lineup so strongly I have to say something.
And yeah, that was the one that lost to the "unEVed team" which actually wasn't. Ray made it up, but I can't blame him since it was hilarious. Even for me.
I've been in a really kind of thoughtful mood all day today lol. And yeah, virtually all of the RMTs do suck (since if people are good enough to win they don't usually want advice) so I kind of like to give the odd bit of constructive criticism. The team just reminds me of my 2010 lineup so strongly I have to say something.
And yeah, that was the one that lost to the "unEVed team" which actually wasn't. Ray made it up, but I can't blame him since it was hilarious. Even for me.
I actually do have a lot of competition to deal with at regionals, AlphaOmega, Kid Kadabra, Unreality and Kingofkongs (If they play seniors, not entirely sure). Now one things for sure, if i was in masters i would lose pretty "bloody" fast. You are right about me being weak to bulky mons, but I don't think I'm that weak to rain teams, with Whimsicott anyway. If I remove it then I do lose one more sweeper, but that's fine because I have anti sandstorm, hail, rain, trickroom and tailwind. It seems like your the kind of guy that thinks all sweep all the time. I'm not really that kind of person. I do believe my team does have a ton of things that needs work on, but that's why you make an RMT 6 months in advance. I really dont see where you're coming from when you say that my core isn't strong enough.
Sorry guys but I'm a Senior division player meaning: I go to school lol. I'm on smogon as much as I can (30 minutes before school, 15 minutes at brunch, 30 minutes at lunch an hour afterschool) but I'm pretty limited, I can battle over the weekends though. I really would appreciate some hands on rating.
Now that I look at my team from another standpoint:
Gallade: Ally Switch, a tad bit of attacking
Shiftry: Fake Outter, lot's of attacking
Terrakion: All out Attacker
Whimsicott: 100% Support
Typhlosion: All Out Attacker (however, it's considered more of a trick pokemon, with Eruption being it's gimme.)
Chandelure: Attacking, another option for setting up sun.
That leaves one guy, Terrakion, as someone who's only job is to attack. That does seem kind of odd, bad, even. Terrakion is also outsped by most of the things it could easily counter with more speed, So i think that despite told otherwise, I should run Tailwind over Encore, because Taunt already takes out Trick Room. And with Tailwind I outspeed Lati@s. So because of this I think I should make my team both more Tailwind oriented and Sun oriented, by doing this I think I'll switch Chandelure's half attacker half attacking set to a more offensive one like this:
Chandelure@Life Orb/Fire GemFlash Fire
Modest
4HP/252SpAtk/252Speed
Heat Wave
Shadow Ball
Energy Ball
Protect
Tell me what yah think. Also Zog, even though you believe the team should be scrapped, I would really like you to give me advice on how to improve this while keeping it about the same the way it is.
You need tailwind expecially for thyplosion and chandelure, without it i think you should run a timid nature over the modest on chandelure. Taunt doesn't help so much against TR, because i've seen that lots of trick roomers starts with amoonguss and a poke with trick room, then go with rage powder and TR and you can't stop it in the 80% of the cases
What I mean is, the team can't really get much better because it's the strategy that's limiting it. It's something like a 7/10 now, and it can't get better just because of the core behind it.
And remember tailwind means it's a 2 turn setup, and that's if whimsicott doesn't get fake outed, killed, or similar before you get set up. And all the time whimsicott's on the field your other guy is getting whaled on and probably killed without doing anything, because whimsicott has no presence against a good player. On a Pokémon-by-Pokémon basis:
Gallade: He's pretty good but lacks the support so he's gonna get beaten up really badly without managing to do much.
Typhlosion: Good when it works but it's absolutely useless against rain, and well-played goodstuffs. And by useless I mean, just terrible and practically a free KO for the opponent.
Terrakion: Doesn't really fulfil any particular role, defensively frail, gets OHKOed by the majority of the metagame while not packing enough punch. Yeah I just wouldn't use him here.
Whimsicott: Lacks presence, puts you behind in the game from not doing anything to put pressure on the opponent (encore's your only chance at this really). Kind of gets caught trying to set up too many things at once to the extent it can't do any properly.
Chandelure: Good when it works which is Vs. trick room, but that's terrible anyway and he's too open to being OHKOed without doing anything.
and Shiftry: Just doesn't have enough stats or good enough typing to do the job pretty much.
Remember your team of 6 is supposed to be the absolute best 6 Pokémon you can get your hands on in their ultimate super squad. Would you send a Shiftry or a Typhlosion to save the world when there are so many outright stronger options? It's kind of like taking a knife to a gun fight. I mean if you just look at the line-up, what can you do Vs. say a Ludicolo and a Zapdos under rain? It's a common scenario but those two (and many other similar duos) put down practically anything you can throw at them. It'd work if it was singles, but a swift swimmer and another powerful Pokémon together check literally the entire team in all its combinations.
So yeah apologies for the obvious harshness but, that's what I mean, there are just better options. It's a finely-constructed team, just not made of the right material. Anyway it is only a regional so you should be fine since it is a good team, just umm be aware of this kind of thing should you make worlds. I just have very high standards lol (I can only consider a team if I've topped skarmbliss ladder with it). I'd also suggest reading the link in my signature if you can make sense of it lol. It's kind of a condensed version of my philosophy on how to win at Pokémon.
And remember tailwind means it's a 2 turn setup, and that's if whimsicott doesn't get fake outed, killed, or similar before you get set up. And all the time whimsicott's on the field your other guy is getting whaled on and probably killed without doing anything, because whimsicott has no presence against a good player. On a Pokémon-by-Pokémon basis:
Gallade: He's pretty good but lacks the support so he's gonna get beaten up really badly without managing to do much.
Typhlosion: Good when it works but it's absolutely useless against rain, and well-played goodstuffs. And by useless I mean, just terrible and practically a free KO for the opponent.
Terrakion: Doesn't really fulfil any particular role, defensively frail, gets OHKOed by the majority of the metagame while not packing enough punch. Yeah I just wouldn't use him here.
Whimsicott: Lacks presence, puts you behind in the game from not doing anything to put pressure on the opponent (encore's your only chance at this really). Kind of gets caught trying to set up too many things at once to the extent it can't do any properly.
Chandelure: Good when it works which is Vs. trick room, but that's terrible anyway and he's too open to being OHKOed without doing anything.
and Shiftry: Just doesn't have enough stats or good enough typing to do the job pretty much.
Remember your team of 6 is supposed to be the absolute best 6 Pokémon you can get your hands on in their ultimate super squad. Would you send a Shiftry or a Typhlosion to save the world when there are so many outright stronger options? It's kind of like taking a knife to a gun fight. I mean if you just look at the line-up, what can you do Vs. say a Ludicolo and a Zapdos under rain? It's a common scenario but those two (and many other similar duos) put down practically anything you can throw at them. It'd work if it was singles, but a swift swimmer and another powerful Pokémon together check literally the entire team in all its combinations.
So yeah apologies for the obvious harshness but, that's what I mean, there are just better options. It's a finely-constructed team, just not made of the right material. Anyway it is only a regional so you should be fine since it is a good team, just umm be aware of this kind of thing should you make worlds. I just have very high standards lol (I can only consider a team if I've topped skarmbliss ladder with it). I'd also suggest reading the link in my signature if you can make sense of it lol. It's kind of a condensed version of my philosophy on how to win at Pokémon.
Whimsicott is exactly for common rain teams, with priority sun I can knock out there sun in one turn. Nevermind about asking for your help dude, just leave. All your doing is talking about how bad and unviable my team is. The only thing your coming across as is a non believer, with literally 0 input. You just trying to push the point that your 100% right, just leave.
In accordance to the tailwind comment, with a modest nature I out-speed pretty much everything, so I don't really want the extra speed from a timid nature.
For your statement on TR, that's a good point and I completely forgot about ragepowder/follow me. So thanks for reminding me about that, I'll run TR instead