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What aren't we writing about? (Pokemon unfit for OU Analyses)

MagicBacon said:
i think that Crawdaunt should get taken off the list, it got Adaptability in DW so it can do great damage with Dragon Dance and substitute
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Honestly you shouldn't be using Substitute anyway because Water+Dark even with Adaptability is begging to have Ferrothorn laugh at you. Being frail and losing to base 108's and up after a Dragon Dance is a losing combination as well. Too much can see Crawdaunt, find it an easy switch, and force it out.
 
Majora_younglink said:
No it doesn't. Harvest isn't 100% activation meaning it's entirely luck based if it isn't in the sunlight (sun is the only weather that makes it 100% activation). This also means it doesn't always has the item it needs to use it.

Overall I'm mixed on the issue of Exeggutor. If it runs a Chloro set then it easily walled and if it is running a defensive set then it is easily threatened by most of the biggest threats in this metagame (scizor literally lols at it along with other steels) if it doesn't have the HP necessary. Also if it is running an odd set trying to take advantage of items then you're relying entirely on luck.
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Hrm...

Serebii says nothing of Harvest activation in either its weather section or its Harvest section. Bulbapedia would tend to agree with you. This differentiation surprises me. In all of my playtesting on Pokemon Online, Harvest has always worked for me in the many many tests I've run. So either I'm very lucky or PO is following Serebii's guidance? I guess the only way I'll be able to test this is in game. I'll get back with some results soon.

But regardless of Harvest's 'accuracy', I still think that Exeggutor can play an excellent role in OU with its versatile movepool, resistance to Fighting, and very high Special Attack.
 
Yourself said:
Hrm...

Serebii says nothing of Harvest activation in either its weather section or its Harvest section. Bulbapedia would tend to agree with you. This differentiation surprises me. In all of my playtesting on Pokemon Online, Harvest has always worked for me in the many many tests I've run. So either I'm very lucky or PO is following Serebii's guidance? I guess the only way I'll be able to test this is in game. I'll get back with some results soon.

But regardless of Harvest's 'accuracy', I still think that Exeggutor can play an excellent role in OU with its versatile movepool, resistance to Fighting, and very high Special Attack.
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havest is only 100% in sun in other conditions i believe its the same rate as shed skin.
 
premboy95 said:
havest is only 100% in sun in other conditions i believe its the same rate as shed skin.
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Hrmph. Then either Pokemon Online has it rigged for 100% or I'm just getting incredibly lucky. Because I don't think I've ever had Harvest fail, regardless of weather. Let me check in game within the next few days to see if I get the same results.

Regardless, Exeggutor's versatility continues to impress me. I'm finding that it can take on Politoed well with the following spread:

Politoed@Choice Specs (252 EVs, +Nature) Ice Beam vs Exeggutor (252/20 EVs, +Nature): 84.2 ~ 99.4% (332 ~ 392 HP)

With a +SpD nature, Exeggutor only needs 20 EVs allocated to Special Defense to allow it to outlive Politoed's most powerful attack against it (with the exception of critical hits). It can use this time to devastate it with a raw 345 Special Attack, 140 Base Power STAB Leaf Storm (I don't know why it wouldn't kill it), or Sleep Powder in hopes for a switch. Who knows, perhaps your opponent is silly enough to try Toxic or Scald! Regardless, Exeggutor can be a great way to take out Politoed if modified correctly, allowing your team to clear the skies with its own weather freely.
 
Yourself said:
Hrmph. Then either Pokemon Online has it rigged for 100% or I'm just getting incredibly lucky. Because I don't think I've ever had Harvest fail, regardless of weather. Let me check in game within the next few days to see if I get the same results.

Regardless, Exeggutor's versatility continues to impress me. I'm finding that it can take on Politoed well with the following spread:

Politoed@Choice Specs (252 EVs, +Nature) Ice Beam vs Exeggutor (252/20 EVs, +Nature): 84.2 ~ 99.4% (332 ~ 392 HP)
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Yourself, are you running your Exeggutor with a 252/236/20 Calm spread? Since the nature's boost is based on percentage, using the nature on the highest base stat possible and using EVs to fill the gaps often provides more efficient spreads.

For example, whilst your 252/236/20 Calm Exeggutor has 394/345/188 stats respectively, a 252/112/144 Modest spread gives you 394/345/202 stats, whilst a 252/168/88 Modest spread gives you 394/360/188 stats. This gives you 15 extra points in either of these stats (or any other, for that matter) and has no drawbacks.
 
I noticed that Braviary isn't on the unfit list nor does he have an analysis. (He isn't even under Pokemon that haven't been reserved: it says no more pokemon are unreserved...)

What's the deal Smogon admins?
 
Jaxx Raxor said:
I noticed that Braviary isn't on the unfit list nor does he have an analysis. (He isn't even under Pokemon that haven't been reserved: it says no more pokemon are unreserved...)

What's the deal Smogon admins?
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While I am not a Smogon admin by any stretch of the imagination, this post may help shed some light on your situation. Braviary appears not only to be unfit for OU, but to have a reserved analysis when UU becomes available.

GtM said:
Yourself, are you running your Exeggutor with a 252/236/20 Calm spread? Since the nature's boost is based on percentage, using the nature on the highest base stat possible and using EVs to fill the gaps often provides more efficient spreads.

For example, whilst your 252/236/20 Calm Exeggutor has 394/345/188 stats respectively, a 252/112/144 Modest spread gives you 394/345/202 stats, whilst a 252/168/88 Modest spread gives you 394/360/188 stats. This gives you 15 extra points in either of these stats (or any other, for that matter) and has no drawbacks.
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This is something I have been unsure about for a while. I'm a bit new to making EV sets, so thankee very much! I'll tinker around with the formula some more.

Also, I now agree that Harvest doesn't work 100% of the time (unless under sunlight). So while that certainly is a drawback, I still believe Exeggutor deserves an OU analysis for the reasons I've posted previously. It takes on Conkeldurr like a pro, has two great abilities, has an impressive 125 base Special Attack, can support teammates with its wide movepool, and become a sweeping threat under Trick Room or sunlight.
 
I think Zangoose deserves a shot. STAB Facade WITH Toxic Boost coming off an already good attack stat (115). He also has Close Combat, X-scisor, Shadow Claw, Rock Slide and Pursuit as other attacking options. He can learn Swords Dance to make his attack even more monstrous.
 
Im pretty sure Zangoose has been shot down before. It mostly likely had to do with the fact that hes not really fast, nor is he bulky enough to effectively boost his attack stat.
 
Frostbite said:
I think Zangoose deserves a shot. STAB Facade WITH Toxic Boost coming off an already good attack stat (115). He also has Close Combat, X-scisor, Shadow Claw, Rock Slide and Pursuit as other attacking options. He can learn Swords Dance to make his attack even more monstrous.
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Good traits but it's outclassed too much. Best to wait for the UU analysis.
 
If Zangoose got Extremespeed, then maybe he'd have a chance. But with that pitiful speed stat it's not doing much.
 
Indeed, Zangoose was discussed on Page 11. While it was never "officially denied", a lot of people deemed it outclassed with its lacking movepool and even more lacking defenses.

I personally agree with Zangoose being UU. While it is an interesting concept, its lack of STAB priority ExtremeSpeed and poor defenses won't get it anywhere in this generation.
 
Berserker Lord said:
NO. Medicham just has too many problems to even consider having an OU analysis. He's frail as fuck, which wouldn't be such an issue if he wasn't also slow as hell. If you want to patch up that Speed problem, your going to be locked in and set up on. If you want to dish out great damage, your sacrificng basically any chance of being usful against an offensive team.
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Basically, if Medicham had decent speed (or a decent priority move) then he'd be great, but the moment he's too slow to be of use against most teams without a Choice Scarf, and with a Choice Scarf he's walled too easily. Azumarill's slightly better to its actually impressive bulk and STAB priority.
 
Dandaman955 said:
I'll probably get massacred for saying this, but I think Medicham should be given a shot.
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Nice move pool and outstanding attack due to Pure Power but due to its poor speed and increase of priority, the chances of it succeeding are incredibly slim.

Frail as fuck? Hmm...sex isn't frail at all, in fact, it's quite sturdy.
 
ParaChomp said:
Frail as fuck? Hmm...sex isn't frail at all, in fact, it's quite sturdy.
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Depends on who you're fucking?

Anyways, enough about that! I'm tempted to think that a Substitute set would be worth running for Medicham, in a similar vein to Subpunch Azumarill?

Move 1: Substitute
Move 2: Hi Jump Kick / Focus Punch
Move 3: Ice Punch
Move 4: Psycho Cut / Thunder Punch

Come in on something you force out for whatever reason, set up a substitute and watch the sparks fly. I'm not sure how this would work in practise, however. Also interestingly enough Medicham gets Recover, although I'm almost certain this would have similar usage to Slack Off Infernape, ie none.
 
GtM said:
Depends on who you're fucking?

Anyways, enough about that! I'm tempted to think that a Substitute set would be worth running for Medicham, in a similar vein to Subpunch Azumarill?

Move 1: Substitute
Move 2: Hi Jump Kick / Focus Punch
Move 3: Ice Punch
Move 4: Psycho Cut / Thunder Punch

Come in on something you force out for whatever reason, set up a substitute and watch the sparks fly. I'm not sure how this would work in practise, however. Also interestingly enough Medicham gets Recover, although I'm almost certain this would have similar usage to Slack Off Infernape, ie none.
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With his move pool and attacks, it might be worthwhile handing him a life orb and BPing him the speed and substitute he'd need to sweep. Recover could be used to restore that life orb damage that's coming off.
 
dende5416 said:
With his move pool and attacks, it might be worthwhile handing him a life orb and BPing him the speed and substitute he'd need to sweep. Recover could be used to restore that life orb damage that's coming off.
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If you need to Baton Pass something boosts just so it doesn't fail horribly, then I really don't think that Pokemon is viable in OU at all.
 
Aboithagameboi said:
I noticed there isn't a Hitmonlee spot in OU. I was wondering if I could change that? Unless someone has already called it, that is.
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Hitmonlee probably doesn't deserve an OU analysis. He is outclassed in movepool, has an unimpressive Speed, and is physically-frail; basically, he has nothing special that stands out against his broad Fighting-type breathren.

Maybe when Unburden is released he could stand a chance, but until then, he doesn't particularly stand out.
 
Ahhhhhh......Clefable. said:
Hitmonlee probably doesn't deserve an OU analysis. He is outclassed in movepool, has an unimpressive Speed, and is physically-frail; basically, he has nothing special that stands out against his broad Fighting-type breathren.

Maybe when Unburden is released he could stand a chance, but until then, he doesn't particularly stand out.
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He would have to rely on using a consumable item. Since he's frail, there's no guarantee of it being used. Plus, it means he can't use any Choice items or the Life Orb which gives him boosts off the bat.
 
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