What type of Pokemon player are you?

What type of Pokemon player are you?

  • Timmy

    Votes: 22 12.9%
  • Johnny

    Votes: 95 55.9%
  • Spike

    Votes: 94 55.3%

  • Total voters
    170
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EDIT: Added in a poll. You can pick multiple names if you feel you are more than one. Please read the OP before voting. Thank you!

EDIT 2: Here are the links to the articles written by Mark Rosewater on the names. These articles go much more in depth and might help you understand better if you are a tad confused by my descriptions. :)
The first article, where he introduces the names: Timmy, Johnny and Spike
The second article, in which he goes further in depth about different variants of the names: Timmy, Johnny and Spike Revisited

In Magic: The Gathering, there were some general terms used to describe certain types of players. I'm here to see if the same can be applied to those who play Pokemon competitively. So anyway, here it goes:

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Timmy:

Timmy players are the type of players who like to use really awesome, powerful creatures, regardless of the outcome of the game. If they can somehow find a way to use this behemoth of epic proportions, they will enjoy themselves. Winning is not important, but when he does win, he really, really likes it.

Example: A perfect example of a Timmy kind of Pokemon is Rampardos. His massive attack attracts Timmy players, but his lackluster speed and defenses would stray away others. But Timmy really, really loves how hard Rampardos hits, so he finds a way to incorporate that into his team, making sure that it focuses on a huge Rampardos sweep. Another good example is anything that can use Belly Drum. Sporting such massive attack is just too good to pass up for any Timmy player.

"Timmy is what we in R&D call the 'power gamer.' Timmy likes to win big. He doesn’t want to eke out a last minute victory. Timmy wants to smash his opponents. He likes his cards to be impressive, and he enjoys playing big creatures and big spells."
-Mark Rosewater, MTG designer

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Johnny:

Johnny players enjoy the complicated process of team and movepool creation, mainly leaning towards abstract teams that many wouldn't usually think about using. Johnny likes to use Pokemon or strategies that they believe are truly underrated and deserve the spotlight, and strive to find out how to prove its worth. While Johnny doesn't particularly like losing, getting a win every blue moon is okay by him because he got it by using his innovative team against the status quo. Johnny's love for team building also greatly surpasses his love for actually battling. The idea behind his team is much more fun to think about than actually using it.

Example:
Good examples of Johnny teams are ones that focus on winning in a specific, yet abstract way. A great example of a Johnny team is a Trick Room team. It takes the norm and flip flops it around, allowing Johnny to take advantage of offensive Pokes that are a little on the slow side. Baton Pass teams are also good examples, as they focus on a fairly abstract idea that can potentially lead them to victory. And finally, a Johnny team can have a general theme which allows the team to be successful, such as having the majority of your members carry Explosion or Perish Song.

"Like Timmy, Johnny cares more about the quality of his wins than the quantity. For example, let's say Johnny builds a new deck that has a neat but difficult way to win. He plays ten games and manages to get his deck to do its thing… once. Johnny walks away happy." -Mark Rosewater, MTG Designer

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Spike:

Finally, we get to Spike. Spike gets his kicks from winning matches. Plain and simple. He's a very competitive player who likes to show off his skills. He uses Pokes that have been proven to be successful in some manner. He analyzes the metagame and alters his teams to counter any new, incoming threats.

Example: (My previous example was a bit stereotypical. Here is a better one) Spike teams generally consist of top-notch Pokes. When Spike builds a team, he aims to make sure that it does what is intended. If he builds a Stall team, he uses the best tools to his disposal to make it as good as it can be. If Spike decides to build a hyper offensive team, he makes sure that each and every member lays down the law and puts a ton of offensive pressure on. Overall, victory is the overall goal and he will try and reach that goal to the end.

"Spike cares more about the quantity of wins than the quality. For example, Spike plays ten games and wins nine of them. If Spike feels he should have won the tenth, he walks away unhappy."
-Mark Rosewater, MTG designer

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NOTE: Just because you have qualities of one of these three characters, does not mean that you are entirely bound to that label! For example, I'm guessing that most, if not all, competitive players have at least, a little bit of Spike in them. But that doesn't mean you can't be a Johnny and make an innovative team! And just because you're a Timmy and you like to use hard hitters, regardless of their difficulty of use in the metagame, that doesn't mean you can't also be a Spike and still go for broke to get the win. It's a fairly flexible generalization, so be sure to take that into consideration!

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I, for one, am a Johnny player. I like NU and UU much more than OU, and even in UU I try to refrain from using common pokes like Mismagius and Registeel. I like Sunny Day and Trick Room style teams, as well as odd pokemon such as Choice Scarfed Drapion. Incidentally, my name also happens to be Johnny.

Discuss which kind of player you think you are. I am very interested.
 
Johnny here.
My favorite being Dragonite who is often considered overclassed by Mence...
He is cool and that is that and good enough for me.
I'd rather play with my preference than have the exact same build/teams with 1000+ other players
 
I myself am a Spike/Other (Timmy?). I really like winning :P I do use close to bog standard pokemon sets all the time and I like it like that.

I'm Other in the way that I have to fit my favorite pokemon onto my team. It's even better when I win with that pokemon.

In most any situation, I would use Latias over Blissey just because I like Latias so much better.
 
I myself am a Spike/Other (Timmy?). I really like winning :P I do use close to bog standard pokemon sets all the time and I like it like that.

I'm Other in the way that I have to fit my favorite pokemon onto my team. It's even better when I win with that pokemon.

In most any situation, I would use Latias over Blissey just because I like Latias so much better.

Ah, yes. I forgot to mention that it is very likely that someone can be a sort of mix between the types. While this may seem obvious, some may try and debate with themselves whether they are more one than the other. You can be both! :D
 
I'm kind of a combination of the latter two. I play to win, certainly, but if I see something that seems to be out of place, I'll use it myself. I figure that if I'm right, it will win games for me, people will see it working, and they will start using it themselves. For example, Tangrowth has become a staple in my team this way, and this has actually worked in bumping it up out of NU. I felt proud of myself knowing I contributed to that.
 
I guess I'm a Johnny. I love UU's, I always use them, I just can't make a team full of OU's. So.. Yea UU's vs OU's FTW!
 
I guess I'm somewhat like Johnny? I use things that not everybody uses, and could care less most of the time if I win or lose, as long as I have some fun.

[plug]Try my new Curse + SubSeed team! It's annoying and it fails horribly! Also equipped with Ambipom Protection.[/plug]
 
I always play to win so I guess, I'm spike, though that doesn't mean I always use standards
Spike =/= OU user. One can play to win in lots of different metagames. If you play to win in UU, you can still be a Spike. Little Cup? That's fine, too. But overall, OU User does commonly mean you're a Spike.

It's not always reversable, but the latter is quite common.
 
Johnny/Spike.

I like to build teams around the "UU of OU", such as Togekiss. I'm not exactly off the wall with the sets I use, and there is stuff I won't try, such as BounceGyara or TrickOrb Celebi, but I do try to be somewhat unique with my team. It sort of broke my heart when I found myself using Scizor/Flygon/Wallbreaker/Gyarados on all my teams, and since then I've tried to change things around.

In this late-stage metagame where optimization is close to having been achieved, its a bit difficult to break the mold. We only have to look at older RMTs to see how far things have come. In "We are the Machampions", Obi mentions Moltres as an option over Gyarados, which is unthinkable to anyone now with the ubiquity of Stealth Rock.

I can't wait until Gen5, but the changes resulting from the suspect tests should be more than enough fun.
 
Johnny/Spike for me. I like using atleast one pokemon which I like, for my OU battles, namely Torterra, Steelix, Dragonite, etc. However, this ends up working quite well in my favor, as these pokemon are great, they are just used less than others. I always try to have a central strategy, but it is never something like Rain Dance or Sunny Day.
 
i'm a johnny. i like to use/ think of teams that people would take for granted. i also play around with what guys i use on my in game team.
 
Let me start by saying that threads like these are imo more fun with a poll attached. Consider adding one, its just a fun tool to let people who are interested see how they match up.
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Since, next to pokemon and perhaps Smash Bros., Magic has been the most prolific indulgence of my inner nerd; the least I can do is self analyze.

I'm a JohnnySpike:
Im a Spike... in just about any game. I was a HUGE Spike in Magic, and it carries over to Pokemon (though I'm losing this tendency). When I first got into Shoddy, I used to go standard sets with every poke on every team (which is what I think most people do). I would look at successful teams in RMT's to see what strategies worked. I often worried about the outcome of the match more than the match itself and whether or not it was fair. However, now that I've gained knowledge of the game my Spike tendencies are giving way to my inner Johnny.
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About the categories:
These categories don't really apply to Pokemon as well as they do to Magic players. This may just be due to the way you go about describing each. For exampls, you portray Timmy as little better than a NOOB who refuses to use anything other than pure offense. While Spike will be completely void of ingenuity which is required to make successful teams. This is not the case in Magic, a Timmy or a Spike can be a great Magic player, but a team of 6 set up sweepers is obviously doomed to failure in much the same way a team of bog Standards not achieving synergy is hopeless.

Also, you mention that Spikes will use things like Scizor on all teams (as well as other overly common pokemon), but Scizor is just as much a Timmy pokemon. Gyarados, Salamence, Scizor, Lucario etc. all seem Timmy- esk just as much as they are Spike- ish. Sure they are overused, but they are also about as powerful as you get without going Uber. Just because the pokemon is overdone doesn't mean Timmys and Johnnys wont use it (though they may).

This isn't an attack on you or this thread by any means. I like it :P... I just dont think that these categories reflect Pokemon players that well as bleed over among the three categories is almost NEEDED to make become successful player.
 
I'll say I'm mostly spike, but that Johnny stuff on being creative and such with teams is very accurate to me as well. I'm a theorymon guy who spends most of his pokemon time thinking about metagame trends, strategies etc. but I do that in order to win.

edit: I do think I need to say a bit as to why I am a 'spike' as that's half the point of this thread. My definition of 'fun' is to be competitive (not in a rude way or in a way that gives you heart attacks), I think the game is much more deep and rich when you put yourself in that mindset and push yourself to find strategies that work. It's not just the win itself that gives me the thrill (though admittedly, that's nice too), but the feeling that my observations and strategies work consistently again the best players.

Do I like using scizor again and again? No, I hate it. You get predictable, it can be seen as a weakness in your team building and it's just not that fun using the same team all the time. Would I use pikachu just for the heck of it though? Never. The only reason for me to use any pokemon is if it works. That doesn't mean I'll never use UU's, it just needs that level of justification.

I do think the best players all have a bit of 'spike' in them. Conversely, it's easy to be labled a noob if you don't. One of my pet peeves is a 'Johnny' giving you shit for being a 'Spike'. That's a personal choice, leave me alone.
 
Winning's fun, but I'm a mix of a Spike and a Timmy. I calculate my teams, but I really just want a good, close match.
 
Let me start by saying that threads like these are imo more fun with a poll attached.
Is there a way to edit a poll into the OP? I shall if someone can tell me! :P

As for the rest of your post Burton, you make some pretty good points. I really appreciate the feedback. EDIT: I have updated the OP. I think it definitely gives a better example of what the names are supposed to represent. I hope that if anyone was confused prior to the edit will get a better idea of it now.

I'm liking what I'm seeing as well. Good discussion so far. :)
 
As for me, I am Spike. I do enjoy winning, and thankfully I do it often enough to satisfy my needs. I started out as a Timmy, as I am sure most of us did. With my lack of experience every time I lost I felt a little nagging feeling "I'm not good enough.." Instead of focusing my time on getting better, I started to call others out "That combo is cheap, you cannot use X,Y, or Z". This didn't satisfy my urges though, I still was losing and the people who win didn't care, a win is a win. I then started to think like a Johnny, "I can show that their 'top tier strategies' are inferior to my 'underrated' ideas". I did decently like this, winning here in there. Oh, and it felt damn good too. I then started to get the taste of winning often, I wanted to win more. I then thought "Well that does what this other thing does better. It won't hurt to replace it" I finally got to the stage where I was using top tier everything because it let me win. Sure, using Metagross / Scizor / Salamence / Latias / Magnezone / Flygon will not be the most original team in the world, but it wins games.
 
i don't really know. i guess i'm like timmy in the sense that i use my favourites but then again i really like winning (and showing off). when making teams i pick a cool pokemon that i like and that functions reasonably well and just build it around that. there's some pokemon i really really hate to use cause they're ugly, i try winning without them (DO NOT TELL ME TO USE JOLTEON)
 
I would be a Spike, I guess. For me, winning is most important and I'll use whatever Pokemon and strategies I feel will get me those wins. Because of that, I use a lot of OUs and "standard" sets. Even though Dragonite is one of my favorite Pokemon, I use Salamence and/or Latias because I feel they are better. However, I do sometimes come up with my own sets or use "unorthodox" Pokemon/moves--not because I'm trying to be cool or creative but because the element of surprise can be useful.

I will admit, though, that I get bored using the same standard team over and over. I need to mix it up a bit sometimes (although I'm likely to turn back to the standard team for important tournament matches).
 
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