Hacking moves should be legit only in the case of Flare Blitz on Flareon and Entei. Game Freak is just an asshole for not giving them something usable this generation. As for hacking moves that a pokemon could learn or be bred into, that seems fair enough. Teaching Hypnosis to a Feebas is fine because normally it can have it bred into it. As long as there are no other egg moves that are impossible to have in the same set it seems fine. And hacking IVs is okay if you only do one. Two at the most.
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Whats a Hack and What Isn't
- Thread starter Yoko Rains
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I believe using AR to clone is okay. However, hacking IVs and moves are not where I agree. If they can already learn it, just breed the egg moves.
That is perhaps the most idiotic collection of statements I've ever heard. Hacking a move onto a Pokemon that doesn't learn it is never legal. So what if Game Freak didn't give Pokemon A move B? That's how the game goes. Someone's opinion of whether Pokemon A "should" have gotten move B doesn't matter in that case. And why is hacking 1 IV any more legit than hacking 6? There are personal gray areas for whether something like the fast egg hatch code is acceptable, but editing a Pokemon in a way that affects competitive battling is absolutely not regardless of the circumstances without prior consent from the opponent.
Even if it doesn't learn it, it makes sense. Sheer Cold on No Gaurd Machamp is rediculous.
So here's a question for you all: because Manaphy events are abundant and many people have such Manaphys for trade, would it still be considered semi-legit to trigger the Manaphy Egg code, or is it now blatant hacking?
In conjunction with that, I recently found the fast egg/hatch codes (shame on me, but this is the only instance in which I intend to use them). If I not only trigger the Manaphy egg, but fast hatch them, is this hacking? I'll of course post that both codes were used when trading, but... I don't want to waste my time if it's unanimous that this is hacking.
EDIT: Holy shit, look at my post count!!! Hellza tight!!1!!1!
In conjunction with that, I recently found the fast egg/hatch codes (shame on me, but this is the only instance in which I intend to use them). If I not only trigger the Manaphy egg, but fast hatch them, is this hacking? I'll of course post that both codes were used when trading, but... I don't want to waste my time if it's unanimous that this is hacking.
EDIT: Holy shit, look at my post count!!! Hellza tight!!1!!1!
I so agree with this but hacking Wonderguard/Recover/Judgement Spiritomb isnt the only one that would compleatly fuck with people, dont forget about Wonderguard/Recover/Judgement Sableye.
Well, the idea is that you work for it. You can't expect to get a good IV bred Pokemon like nothing.
How about using an AR code to check exact IVs? Is that a hack?
Gah, I'm a dumbass. I was not paying attention and clicked last page.
Gah, I'm a dumbass. I was not paying attention and clicked last page.
^ ...No, not in my opinion. You're not really messing around with the Pokemon itself.
You, along with I don't know how many other people in this thread, seem to be a bit confused on what it means for something to be hacked.
I've already said what it means for something to be hacked, so perhaps it would help if I said what it doesn't mean. Hacked does not mean: wrong, illegal, immoral, identifiable as a hack, unfair, or any other negative associations.
Saying altering your data with an Action Replay is not a hack because the situation is unfair is like eating Twinkies and saying they don't have sugar because you're on a diet. You can say it however much you want, but it's irrelevant.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Phillip Dick
Once again, irrelevant. The issue isn't "If you use an AR, you are a bad person.", but rather, "If you are using an AR, you should respect the wishes of those you are trading with by not claiming it's legitimate.", which I agree with completely. To do otherwise is dishonest.
Why do these threads keep popping up? Nothing's ever being solved or even really discussed. There's no end to this. There's no conclusion that we're all going to come to. It's just a bunch of people who say what they would do or not do, or think someone else should do or not do, and generally the same people who say so on EVERY thread. I really don't see the point anymore. "What's a hack and what isn't" ?
I'd say a hack is something hacked. Weird, right? But at least I can sleep at night knowing exactly what a bunch of random strangers on the internet think about what I can and can't do with an object that I bought and paid for.
Also/Edit: I think everyone agrees that trading hacked things without telling people is wrong, etc. But that's not even really about hacking, that's about honesty. It doesn't matter what hacking is or what hacking isn't, or what's fair or what's too much of an advantage or what application of morals to machinery we can find. People should just tell traders whatever they want to know about the Pokemon. I don't care if someone's definition of hacking is that you bred it while you're standing on your head. There's nothing to be solved from knowing what people think hacking is, unless you ALREADY don't plan to provide details to people who trade with you. And people aren't going to trust you if you don't want to answer their questions about the things that they're trading their "hard-earned" Pokemon for.
I'd say a hack is something hacked. Weird, right? But at least I can sleep at night knowing exactly what a bunch of random strangers on the internet think about what I can and can't do with an object that I bought and paid for.
Also/Edit: I think everyone agrees that trading hacked things without telling people is wrong, etc. But that's not even really about hacking, that's about honesty. It doesn't matter what hacking is or what hacking isn't, or what's fair or what's too much of an advantage or what application of morals to machinery we can find. People should just tell traders whatever they want to know about the Pokemon. I don't care if someone's definition of hacking is that you bred it while you're standing on your head. There's nothing to be solved from knowing what people think hacking is, unless you ALREADY don't plan to provide details to people who trade with you. And people aren't going to trust you if you don't want to answer their questions about the things that they're trading their "hard-earned" Pokemon for.
I agree, I also don't like hacked parents after I spend, sometimes, days getting the IVs I want
Shin, so you think cloning with an AR shouldn't be allowed?
I say hacking moves onto a pokemon that can learn it through egg moves ought to be ok, seeing as nobody would be able to tell the difference. Really, suppose you bred Zubats and you found one with 31 across the board...only to find that you'd spent so much time breeding, Hypnosis had rolled off the parent's moveset. What do you do then?
However, hacking moves onto pokemon that can't learn them is cheap, because you're just creating unbalanced pokemon, and eventually we'd all end up with teams of shiny Wonder Guard Spiritombs with 999 in all stats, Occa Berry, Heal Bell, and Recover.
However, hacking moves onto pokemon that can't learn them is cheap, because you're just creating unbalanced pokemon, and eventually we'd all end up with teams of shiny Wonder Guard Spiritombs with 999 in all stats, Occa Berry, Heal Bell, and Recover.
Well, actually, if the father had Hypnosis when he was given to the daycare couple, then all the offsprings will have Hypnosis, until you get the father back.
Mario, the day care woman sometimes deletes moves.