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Whats a Hack and What Isn't

Hacking moves should be legit only in the case of Flare Blitz on Flareon and Entei. Game Freak is just an asshole for not giving them something usable this generation. As for hacking moves that a pokemon could learn or be bred into, that seems fair enough. Teaching Hypnosis to a Feebas is fine because normally it can have it bred into it. As long as there are no other egg moves that are impossible to have in the same set it seems fine. And hacking IVs is okay if you only do one. Two at the most.
 
I believe using AR to clone is okay. However, hacking IVs and moves are not where I agree. If they can already learn it, just breed the egg moves.
 
Hacking moves should be legit only in the case of Flare Blitz on Flareon and Entei. Game Freak is just an asshole for not giving them something usable this generation. As for hacking moves that a pokemon could learn or be bred into, that seems fair enough. Teaching Hypnosis to a Feebas is fine because normally it can have it bred into it. As long as there are no other egg moves that are impossible to have in the same set it seems fine. And hacking IVs is okay if you only do one. Two at the most.
That is perhaps the most idiotic collection of statements I've ever heard. Hacking a move onto a Pokemon that doesn't learn it is never legal. So what if Game Freak didn't give Pokemon A move B? That's how the game goes. Someone's opinion of whether Pokemon A "should" have gotten move B doesn't matter in that case. And why is hacking 1 IV any more legit than hacking 6? There are personal gray areas for whether something like the fast egg hatch code is acceptable, but editing a Pokemon in a way that affects competitive battling is absolutely not regardless of the circumstances without prior consent from the opponent.
 
^I concur with great sage, that is taking things too far. It's only a short jump from "Well, Flareon DESERVES Flare blitz" to "I can see how Sheer Cold on No Guard Machamp makes sense".

Draw the line at Cloning and fast hatching, as well as items, for everyones sake.
 
Fissure on Machamp is a must this gen.

And also I just think that cloning using AR is fine. Fast hatch just makes it easier but it isn't hard to do anymore. You can hatch hundreds of eggs when you get them instead of running around like an idiot in-game trying to hatch them all.
 
What I think is ok for AR
1- Unlimited TM's, Berries
2-Unlimited Money
3-Unlimited Rare Candies(a Breeders best friend)
4- certain events/recaptures
5-cloning

what is not ok

Hacking pokes, moves, ect - Wonderguard/Recover/Judgement Spiritomb is gay
 
So here's a question for you all: because Manaphy events are abundant and many people have such Manaphys for trade, would it still be considered semi-legit to trigger the Manaphy Egg code, or is it now blatant hacking?

In conjunction with that, I recently found the fast egg/hatch codes (shame on me, but this is the only instance in which I intend to use them). If I not only trigger the Manaphy egg, but fast hatch them, is this hacking? I'll of course post that both codes were used when trading, but... I don't want to waste my time if it's unanimous that this is hacking.

EDIT: Holy shit, look at my post count!!! Hellza tight!!1!!1!
 
What I think is ok for AR
1- Unlimited TM's, Berries
2-Unlimited Money
3-Unlimited Rare Candies(a Breeders best friend)
4- certain events/recaptures
5-cloning

what is not ok

Hacking pokes, moves, ect - Wonderguard/Recover/Judgement Spiritomb is gay


I so agree with this but hacking Wonderguard/Recover/Judgement Spiritomb isnt the only one that would compleatly fuck with people, dont forget about Wonderguard/Recover/Judgement Sableye.
 
Is this Considered a Hack or not?




Yes, I've decided to make this thread to inform everyone of my opinion on the matter. I've seen the question above pop up a lot. I've seen bunches of people asking "does hacking this make this hacked" etc, and I've decided to put up my view-point of the situation, as well as give good reasons why.

I have no clue where this would belong, so decided to post it here.

I would also like to see your own opinions up. Well, here goes:



Using Hacked Parents: This, IMO is just as bad as hacking the Pokemon itself. You may argue that "I still went through the process of breeding the Pokemon", but that argument just won't be registered as valid. You have an unfair advantage over someone who does it fairly. Having a godly parent highly effects how the offspring will turn out. So hacking yourself a godly parent IMO would be considered an illegit Pokemon in my view. It is just an attempt at being clever at getting around the fact that you didn't hack the Pokemon itself.

well im with you in this


Hacking Events/Re-triggering Events: An example of hacking an event, is for example, the Lugia island event. If you didn't attend the live event itself, you have no other way of obtaining the ticket (and getting to Lugia) except by hacking the ticket into your game. I think that this is completely legit. You might argue "Oh, but he hacked the item", but he still has the same chance of getting a good or bad one, unlike hacking a parent. Hacking a parent is increasing your chance, while hacking an event is just giving you a chance. By hacking the event, you're just giving yourself access to the event, not giving yourself a higher chance of getting godly IV's. Therefore, I think hacking/re-triggering events still allows the Pokemon to be 100% legitimate.

Totaly agree, nintendo dont have events around the world, so there r some countries that never get the chance to get the tickets, so hacking the tickets should be consider not a hack


Quick hatch trick/step reduction: This trick basically cuts down the number of steps you have to take to hatch an egg from thousands to almost nothing (6, IIRC). This, in my opinion, does not ruin legitimacy. Yes, you are speeding up a process that would otherwise take much, much longer, but you are doing nothing more than speeding up the inevitable. You're going to get those eggs, whether you get them fast or slow. Yes, this indeed does give you an advantage over others. Though I don't think using this trick ruins legitimacy, I still think you should inform anyone you're trading with that you used this method to hatch your egg. Due to such repetitive controversy about this issue, let me clarify this in bold. This is ok IF the person you're trading with approves. I would personally not take a Pokemon quick hatched, just saying this for others sake.

Totally disagree, there r people like myself that have to work, go to school and take care of his family that left us a little time to play to waste it hatching the eggs, if i have the money i will get an action replay to have access to this option

Putting weird/not normal moves on a Pokemon: An example of this would be putting WonderGuard, an ability only available to Shedinja, to Spiritomb, for example. Giving that ability to a Spiritomb would make it practically invincible, as no attack can hit it super-effectively. Therefore, the only way to take something like this down is via status inflicter's, like Toxic, or Will-O-Wisp. Therefore, I don't think its alright to hack moves onto Pokemon that would normally be unable of learning them.

This is not fair, and the guys who does it never should use those pokes in competitive play

Hacking moves onto a Pokemon period: Forgot to give your Bold Feebas Hypnosis as an Egg Move? No worries, lets just hack it onto it using our trusty AR! I don't think thats right. I personally think that hacking moves onto Pokemon is very lame. I mean, why not breed it onto it yourself? Personally, I don't think that hacking moves onto Pokemon (even if they can learn them) is alright.

Again the same issue with the quick hatch...if you have no time, due your real life, this will help you have more time for play.

Well, those are all the common hacks I could think of. If theres anything else, remind me of it people, and I will write down what I personally think about it. Remember, this is just my opinion!
 
Totaly agree, nintendo dont have events around the world, so there r some countries that never get the chance to get the tickets, so hacking the tickets should be consider not a hack

You, along with I don't know how many other people in this thread, seem to be a bit confused on what it means for something to be hacked.

I've already said what it means for something to be hacked, so perhaps it would help if I said what it doesn't mean. Hacked does not mean: wrong, illegal, immoral, identifiable as a hack, unfair, or any other negative associations.

Saying altering your data with an Action Replay is not a hack because the situation is unfair is like eating Twinkies and saying they don't have sugar because you're on a diet. You can say it however much you want, but it's irrelevant.

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Phillip Dick

Totally disagree, there r people like myself that have to work, go to school and take care of his family that left us a little time to play to waste it hatching the eggs, if i have the money i will get an action replay to have access to this option

Once again, irrelevant. The issue isn't "If you use an AR, you are a bad person.", but rather, "If you are using an AR, you should respect the wishes of those you are trading with by not claiming it's legitimate.", which I agree with completely. To do otherwise is dishonest.
 
Why do these threads keep popping up? Nothing's ever being solved or even really discussed. There's no end to this. There's no conclusion that we're all going to come to. It's just a bunch of people who say what they would do or not do, or think someone else should do or not do, and generally the same people who say so on EVERY thread. I really don't see the point anymore. "What's a hack and what isn't" ?
I'd say a hack is something hacked. Weird, right? But at least I can sleep at night knowing exactly what a bunch of random strangers on the internet think about what I can and can't do with an object that I bought and paid for.

Also/Edit: I think everyone agrees that trading hacked things without telling people is wrong, etc. But that's not even really about hacking, that's about honesty. It doesn't matter what hacking is or what hacking isn't, or what's fair or what's too much of an advantage or what application of morals to machinery we can find. People should just tell traders whatever they want to know about the Pokemon. I don't care if someone's definition of hacking is that you bred it while you're standing on your head. There's nothing to be solved from knowing what people think hacking is, unless you ALREADY don't plan to provide details to people who trade with you. And people aren't going to trust you if you don't want to answer their questions about the things that they're trading their "hard-earned" Pokemon for.
 
What I think is ok for AR
1- Unlimited TM's, Berries
2-Unlimited Money
3-Unlimited Rare Candies(a Breeders best friend)
4- certain events/recaptures
5-cloning

what is not ok

Hacking pokes, moves, ect - Wonderguard/Recover/Judgement Spiritomb is gay
I agree, I also don't like hacked parents after I spend, sometimes, days getting the IVs I want
 
I say hacking moves onto a pokemon that can learn it through egg moves ought to be ok, seeing as nobody would be able to tell the difference. Really, suppose you bred Zubats and you found one with 31 across the board...only to find that you'd spent so much time breeding, Hypnosis had rolled off the parent's moveset. What do you do then?
However, hacking moves onto pokemon that can't learn them is cheap, because you're just creating unbalanced pokemon, and eventually we'd all end up with teams of shiny Wonder Guard Spiritombs with 999 in all stats, Occa Berry, Heal Bell, and Recover.
 
I say hacking moves onto a pokemon that can learn it through egg moves ought to be ok, seeing as nobody would be able to tell the difference. Really, suppose you bred Zubats and you found one with 31 across the board...only to find that you'd spent so much time breeding, Hypnosis had rolled off the parent's moveset. What do you do then?
However, hacking moves onto pokemon that can't learn them is cheap, because you're just creating unbalanced pokemon, and eventually we'd all end up with teams of shiny Wonder Guard Spiritombs with 999 in all stats, Occa Berry, Heal Bell, and Recover.

Well, actually, if the father had Hypnosis when he was given to the daycare couple, then all the offsprings will have Hypnosis, until you get the father back.
 
They do, but as Mario said, the children will born with the egg moves even if the father got his move deleted.

The game will consider the parents as they were when you left them on the day-care, it'll only change if you take them back.
 
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