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Why Weezing should be your physical tank in Platinum
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Unless it's a mixed luke with psychic . . . albeit, that sounds rare, but psychic is one of luke's top "alternate" moves for its specs set. Weezing also is not going to like focus blast all that much, let alone luster cannon.
Everybody here's giving Weezing a bad rap. I threw him on my team a couple of days ago because I had a massive Scizor weakness and he's friggin amazing. I'm talking like a catchall physical safety net: Salamence, Gyarados, Lucario, Scizor, Heracross, random crap that I would never in a million years prepare for, and he handles it all.
In the new Platinum, it's a relief to have a solid Fighting resist that's not weak to Stealth Rock.
Just for the record, nothing besides like Milotic and Heatran likes to switch in on Will-o-Wisp. It destroys anything physical and takes a nice 12% per turn out of everything else.
I hear it's quite common nowadays (Like Number Five most used pokemon)
Blissey fucks up Zapdos, Zapdos can Thunder Wave and Thunderbolt it but that's all. Unless you specifically have . . . actually, Zapdos can't even use a special HP for Blissey. Fuck, how did this thing even get to #4 anyway?
In the new Platinum, it's a relief to have a solid Fighting resist that's not weak to Stealth Rock.
Just for the record, nothing besides like Milotic and Heatran likes to switch in on Will-o-Wisp. It destroys anything physical and takes a nice 12% per turn out of everything else.
Has anyone heard of this pokemon called Blissey?
I hear it's quite common nowadays (Like Number Five most used pokemon)
Blissey fucks up Zapdos, Zapdos can Thunder Wave and Thunderbolt it but that's all. Unless you specifically have . . . actually, Zapdos can't even use a special HP for Blissey. Fuck, how did this thing even get to #4 anyway?
Damage: 44.55% - 52.38%
I decided to be incredibly nice to Zapdos and gave it an attack boosting nature along with 252 attack ev's.
Blissey had the standard wish bliss set.
So you have sandstorm up, and roll near max damage both times or you will fail to 2HKO. Also I doubt people would ever run a 252 +atk natured mixdos. Especially not in this metagame where Zapdos needs some HP/def investment in order to stop Scizor and the like.
No one is saying that Weezing is a bad pokemon, but the fact is that in today's metagame it has trouble keeping up. Recovery is key these days, and the fact that Weezing doesn't even have respectable STAB is disappointing. It is simply outclassed by Gliscor as a fighting counter, and by other physical walls in general.
When did Gliscor not become a Lucario counter... did I miss something? Gee, I thought Gliscor was faster than Lucario...
1. Since Lucario got Ice Punch.
2. Gliscor has a higher base Speed, but I hardly see any investing any EVs into it, unlike standard Lucarios.
Many people decide to EV Gliscor to outspeed standard Luke. Although, Jolly Luke can still spell trouble. And AgiliLuke is even worse for Gliscor.
Ice Punch hello....
Weezing is a pretty good pokemon, mostly because its able to handle both Ground and Fighting moves pretty well, I don't really have anything to add, but what makes it a letdown is the fact that it has no reliable recovery move.
The strongest advantage Weezing really has is it's weaknesses. It's only weakness (Psychic) is only on 4 pokemons standard moveset in OU which are Cresselia who makes for a decent counter, Jirachi, and Alakazam and Gallade which I predict won't last very long in OU and are underused standards anyway.
No Stealth Rock really doesn't favour it, and it really can't do anything to Salamence, Metagross or Draagonite excpet burn it. Most variant of Infernape and Kingdra are also fairly comfortable against it.
Gallade is the most comfortable physical sweeper against it, while Cresselia and Jirachi make the best counters having Special STAB Psychic and taking very minimal damage from it's attacks.
Still Weezy is an effective Physical sweeper
No Stealth Rock really doesn't favour it, and it really can't do anything to Salamence, Metagross or Draagonite excpet burn it. Most variant of Infernape and Kingdra are also fairly comfortable against it.
Gallade is the most comfortable physical sweeper against it, while Cresselia and Jirachi make the best counters having Special STAB Psychic and taking very minimal damage from it's attacks.
Still Weezy is an effective Physical sweeper
quite a few weezing carry hp ice, which OHKOs dragonite and mence after SR. Nearly every Weezing carries Flamethrower or Fire Blast, so I'm not sure what you mean when you say it can't do anything to metagross except burn it.
Huh, doesn weezing actually have a physical movepool.
Pain split is a really horrible recovery move that is guaranteed to lose you recover stalls, not to mention that Weezing rolls over when facing any special attack. IMO Rotoms are better physical tanks, being immune to common physical attacks, can hit back with decent power and STAB and does not really mind the weak special attacks from physical sweepers, most of which have gone mixed in the current metagame.
Note we are discussing Weezing as a tank and Weezing has lol special attack + no STAB.
yeah, base 85 is god awful [/sarcasm]
85 base is lol special attack as far as I'm concerned. >>
Every see swampert's ice beam hit something that wasn't weak to it? Then you know how lol 85 base sp.ATK is.
Every see swampert's ice beam hit something that wasn't weak to it? Then you know how lol 85 base sp.ATK is.
I have a feeling this thread will turn into a pile of bandwagon jumpers suddenly using Weezing, but anyway here's my opinion.
Weezing is great as a Fighting counter, but really that's the extent of it. Its dismal HP, though equal to Skarmory's will be a downfall in the long run, and Pain Split is the only form of recovery it has outside of Rest, whilst all the other tanks have instant 50% recovery.
The only reason I would consider using Weezing is because unlike all the other tanks, it has Will-o-Wisp and Thunderbolt.
Weezing is great as a Fighting counter, but really that's the extent of it. Its dismal HP, though equal to Skarmory's will be a downfall in the long run, and Pain Split is the only form of recovery it has outside of Rest, whilst all the other tanks have instant 50% recovery.
The only reason I would consider using Weezing is because unlike all the other tanks, it has Will-o-Wisp and Thunderbolt.
What about Rotom-a? Its Def and Hlth is worse, but it has STAB Thunderbolt, more speed, more SpcDef, an immunity to Fighting as opposed to a resistance and better move pool (and Overheat instead of Flamethrower) with Reflect and Light Screen instead of Pain Split (which isn't important as Wish Blissey can keep Rotom alive).
Sure, Weezing is a good counter for fighters and the threats mentioned in this thread, but it can't do much else. Unlike Hippo, Skarmory, and Gliscor, you have to rely on a 75% Will-O-Wisp to actually threaten the next pokemon coming in. Weezing is good at what it does, but not much else. It is not really a "physical tank" but really just a counter for some of the sweepers seen in the Platinum metagame. Essentially, you can't just throw Weezing on your team and try to hold off most physical threats like Hippo or Skarm could do.
I agree that Weezing is underrated, but I don't see it coming out of UU any time soon.
I agree that Weezing is underrated, but I don't see it coming out of UU any time soon.
Gliscor is faster.
AgiliLuke is non-existant. Oh yeah... Gliscor is faster. If you want to make a bullshit claim about how Jolly Gliscor sucks as a wall than give it Swords Dance.
Gliscor is faster.
Perhaps people forget that. That makes me an idiot.
Swords Dance Raquaza OHKOs Lugia with Outrage! Oh yeah... Lugia is faster.
Skymin can 2HKO Crobat with HP Ice! Oh yeah... Crobat is faster.
Anyway, for Weezing: its a decent wall, but in my own personal opinion walls don't do anything. His recovery sucks and if he isn't hitting you super effective you can set up on him, unlike Gliscor who can Swords Dance, Skarmory who can Whirwind or set up spikes, Forretress who can set up spikes, or Hippowdon who can also Roar you. Hell, Weezing makes setting up Substitute sweepers so easy since he is incapable of breaking them.
I'm surprised that nobody mentioned that Weezing is a great Breloom counter. After one of your Pokemon has been spored, Weezing can be safely switched into most of the common Breloom sets and immediately slap the shit outta him with STABed Sludge Bombs or even flamethrower. Weezing can also slip his way into any of Heracross's STABed moves and kick his ass with flamethrower. Weezing also isn't the absolute best Scizor counter but he can come in on a powerful bug move, and laugh as he burns the opponent's last chance at a sweep into the ground.
The only catch is that he's completely outclassed by Gliscor when it comes to dealing with Breloom and Heracross. Flamethrower can fail to kill Heracross because of his good special defense, but Gliscor has a nice STABed move called Aeriel Ace which completely destroys the two.
Don't get me wrong, Weezing does have some strong selling points, but its underused because it is vastly outclassed by its fellow defensive walls. As mentioned in other posts, the moment weezing causes a switch he can't do much, and he's not great at dealing with enemies which he's not specifically made to counter. If it's bad enough that his support movepool sucks ass, this guy needs an evolution more than Farfetch'd. His stats need an update desperately. Such defenses cannot handle all these hard hitters of the 4th generation. Until he receives toxic spikes or stealth rocks, or until a 5 headed gagging monster named "choking" comes along w/ much better defense and attacking stats, Weezing will be considered only decent.
The only catch is that he's completely outclassed by Gliscor when it comes to dealing with Breloom and Heracross. Flamethrower can fail to kill Heracross because of his good special defense, but Gliscor has a nice STABed move called Aeriel Ace which completely destroys the two.
Don't get me wrong, Weezing does have some strong selling points, but its underused because it is vastly outclassed by its fellow defensive walls. As mentioned in other posts, the moment weezing causes a switch he can't do much, and he's not great at dealing with enemies which he's not specifically made to counter. If it's bad enough that his support movepool sucks ass, this guy needs an evolution more than Farfetch'd. His stats need an update desperately. Such defenses cannot handle all these hard hitters of the 4th generation. Until he receives toxic spikes or stealth rocks, or until a 5 headed gagging monster named "choking" comes along w/ much better defense and attacking stats, Weezing will be considered only decent.
I don't think Weezing is outclassed in countering them persay, I just think the other walls can actually do something else like lay spikes, stealth rock, phaze, or swords dance like glisc and skarmory.
The main reason people think weezing isn't very good is because it was dropped down to UU.
Well, it has it's merits indeed... but with wil-o-wisp under it's belt in UU the only thing I can get in on it safely is magcargo. . . Thunderbolt will keep milotic and other waters from getting a free switch. Weezing is immune to toxic, has one weakness, and it can still recover using pain split. As an added bonus pain split (usually) hurts the opponent as it heals weezing.
I suppose it is worth mentioning that flash fire boost doesn't help that much with so many other heatran around, so many bulky waters too.
in case nobody noticed, nobody uses specs-lucario. (even though the only thing that beats it is spiritomb and sometimes calm wishbliss with flamethrower. )
I think one of weezing's greatest assets is it's ability to take on scizor. Scizor is the new lucario. It wouldn't be such a big deal if superpower wasn't avaliable to it... but now scizor gets everything it could possibly want.
skarmory can't beat gyarados... ordinarily. Taunt ruins it. The other two main physical walls are weak to water, so gyarados beats them too.
Well, it has it's merits indeed... but with wil-o-wisp under it's belt in UU the only thing I can get in on it safely is magcargo. . . Thunderbolt will keep milotic and other waters from getting a free switch. Weezing is immune to toxic, has one weakness, and it can still recover using pain split. As an added bonus pain split (usually) hurts the opponent as it heals weezing.
I suppose it is worth mentioning that flash fire boost doesn't help that much with so many other heatran around, so many bulky waters too.
in case nobody noticed, nobody uses specs-lucario. (even though the only thing that beats it is spiritomb and sometimes calm wishbliss with flamethrower. )
I think one of weezing's greatest assets is it's ability to take on scizor. Scizor is the new lucario. It wouldn't be such a big deal if superpower wasn't avaliable to it... but now scizor gets everything it could possibly want.
skarmory can't beat gyarados... ordinarily. Taunt ruins it. The other two main physical walls are weak to water, so gyarados beats them too.
Since when?
Nobody in this thread so far has stated they think Weezing isn't good because it was dropped down to UU, which is rather poor reasoning anyway. If we all went by that logic, that would mean people think UU Pokemon are not very good, which is not necessarily true. People may think Weezing is not very good and therefore was used less, hence dropping it to UU, but people shouldn't really think Weezing is "bad" because it's in UU. It means it's "underused", not that it sucks!
The most common argument against using Weezing it seems is that it has nothing to do once coming in. Perhaps as mentioned already, if it had a better movepool consisting of Stealth Rock or suchlike, he would become more used. However, Weezing is a decent wall, especially in UU where Skarmory, Hippowdon, Gliscor, and all those other physical walls don't lie.