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XY Metagame Speculation [SPOILERS ITT]
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Mega Charizard X could be an usable sweeper in sun teams.
Fire/Dragon isn't the best typing but not the worst either. Hitting everything at least neutral except Heatran means it has great coverage with its STABs.
Charizard has base speed 100 which is already pretty nice in Ubers. With DD it outspeeds almost everything par some scarf revenge killers. Ofc it could be faster or slower we don't know that yet but I assume it keeps its current base speed.
Its new ability gives contact moves a boost, probably 20% like Iron Fist. Charizards base attack is lackcluster 84 but it will probably go for 110-120 range. That't not bad after few DDs.
The 4th move isn't that important. Maybe Toxic/WoW for crippling switch ins or Rock Slide for killing Ho-Oh. Or Roost for healing SR + Flare Blitz damage.
Mega Charizard Y will probably be more used but well at least I'm going to try X too.
Also Mega Lucario will be an interesting one. Based on the picture someone posted on the leak thread it has about 130-140 base attack and 105-115 base speed iirc. This means it has about 10-12% higher attack stat whereas Adaptability means that Bullet Punch and Close Combat will get about 30% boost meaning about the same sized boost as Life Orb gives but without the recoil. Unfortunately it also means that LO'd Extremespeed is still the strongest priority attack Lucario can have.
But the speed boost is what could make Mega Lucario so good. Outspeeding almost every slower uber means it will be a great sweeper. The faster threats can be dealt with priority because almost none of them resist Bullet Punch. Crunch is probably the third move hitting many things harder than stabs like psychic and ghost types.
It's too bad (but maybe a good thing after all) that there can be an only one Mega pokemon per team. Charizard and Lucario aren't the only useful ones. Mega Blaziken will certainly be good and so will be Mega Mewtwo X/Y. Mega Garchomp could see some usage as an somekind of bulky tank with mega powerful Earthquake for Fairy types. And there are probably some great megas we haven't even seen yet. Time will tell but I'm predicting an very interesting uber metagame with lot's of great choices to made and strategies to use.
Fire/Dragon isn't the best typing but not the worst either. Hitting everything at least neutral except Heatran means it has great coverage with its STABs.
Charizard has base speed 100 which is already pretty nice in Ubers. With DD it outspeeds almost everything par some scarf revenge killers. Ofc it could be faster or slower we don't know that yet but I assume it keeps its current base speed.
Its new ability gives contact moves a boost, probably 20% like Iron Fist. Charizards base attack is lackcluster 84 but it will probably go for 110-120 range. That't not bad after few DDs.
The 4th move isn't that important. Maybe Toxic/WoW for crippling switch ins or Rock Slide for killing Ho-Oh. Or Roost for healing SR + Flare Blitz damage.
Mega Charizard Y will probably be more used but well at least I'm going to try X too.
Also Mega Lucario will be an interesting one. Based on the picture someone posted on the leak thread it has about 130-140 base attack and 105-115 base speed iirc. This means it has about 10-12% higher attack stat whereas Adaptability means that Bullet Punch and Close Combat will get about 30% boost meaning about the same sized boost as Life Orb gives but without the recoil. Unfortunately it also means that LO'd Extremespeed is still the strongest priority attack Lucario can have.
But the speed boost is what could make Mega Lucario so good. Outspeeding almost every slower uber means it will be a great sweeper. The faster threats can be dealt with priority because almost none of them resist Bullet Punch. Crunch is probably the third move hitting many things harder than stabs like psychic and ghost types.
It's too bad (but maybe a good thing after all) that there can be an only one Mega pokemon per team. Charizard and Lucario aren't the only useful ones. Mega Blaziken will certainly be good and so will be Mega Mewtwo X/Y. Mega Garchomp could see some usage as an somekind of bulky tank with mega powerful Earthquake for Fairy types. And there are probably some great megas we haven't even seen yet. Time will tell but I'm predicting an very interesting uber metagame with lot's of great choices to made and strategies to use.
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Let me sum it up
Sacred fire > w/e the fuck zard has as fire phys
Brave bird > outrage
Regenerator > ability that makes zard still hit lighter than Phoenix
Better bulk > no bulk
Doesn't use up mega evo > uses up mega evo
90 base speed < 100 base speed
Better resists > crappier resists (mainly fairy resist and 4x weak to rock and ground immunity as opposed to 2x earth, 2x rock, 2x fairy weakness)
I did some calcs even though they are still pure theorymon. It's always fun.
Mega Lucario will be absolutely devastating. I mean there are only handful of counters and almost everything is at least 2HKOed. It will be one of the best late game sweepers and probably hard to revenge kill because it has gained some bulk and it has good typing resisting almost every priority attack. Will be everywhere I promise.
I also feel bad that I hyped Mega Charizard X. It won't work. Not because Haruno's Ho-oh is better post but because it won't find time to DD, it is SR weak and it can be revenge killed easily. Yes it will hit very hard but Flare Blitz takes it down too quickly. Mega Charizard Y will be better tho even it needs spin support.
There's been Mega pokemon list circling around. So far it has been 100% correct and one thing we haven't seen yet but is on the list is Heracross. Well that will be an interesting. Scarf Hera was absolutely great in 4th gen ubers. With more speed, bulkyness and some attack Mega Heracross could be a real threat too. Too bad fairies wall it pretty badly and Mega Lucario is still probably better but I'm still hopeful it could be usable. We will see...
Mega Lucario will be absolutely devastating. I mean there are only handful of counters and almost everything is at least 2HKOed. It will be one of the best late game sweepers and probably hard to revenge kill because it has gained some bulk and it has good typing resisting almost every priority attack. Will be everywhere I promise.
I also feel bad that I hyped Mega Charizard X. It won't work. Not because Haruno's Ho-oh is better post but because it won't find time to DD, it is SR weak and it can be revenge killed easily. Yes it will hit very hard but Flare Blitz takes it down too quickly. Mega Charizard Y will be better tho even it needs spin support.
There's been Mega pokemon list circling around. So far it has been 100% correct and one thing we haven't seen yet but is on the list is Heracross. Well that will be an interesting. Scarf Hera was absolutely great in 4th gen ubers. With more speed, bulkyness and some attack Mega Heracross could be a real threat too. Too bad fairies wall it pretty badly and Mega Lucario is still probably better but I'm still hopeful it could be usable. We will see...
I see Mega Abomasnow as powerful Trick Room material (if it only got trick room :[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[)
You read my post didn't you?
Because I actually explained WHY it will be so good. But here's again.
a.) base attack 135-140 which is about 10% boost compared to normal Lucario's attack.
b.) base speed 110-115 which means it outspeeds all the base speed 90 guys even without boosting nature and everything under 110 with boosting nature
c.) adabtibility is free life orb for close combat and bullet punch without the recoil.
d.) added bulkyness + good typing means it can set up SD and that's pretty much it needs to sweep foe's whole team
e.) it also means it can't be revenge killed easily
f.) 2hkoes 90% of the metagame when most mons are 1hkoed with hazards
It won't be broken because it can be taken by suprise but you need to think how to stop it. Ho-oh is a great counter but bulky ghosts and psychics aren't because they take at least 60% from +2 crunch meaning they need full health to stop Mega Lucario.
All those scarfers need over 50% to survive from entry hazards + bullet punch. Dialga is your best bet. And well you can always run extremespeed which OHKOs everything except Dialga with SR and one layer of spikes.
So technically they don't "blow" Lucario away even if you may think so.
fairies be spamming that parting shot.
Ugh, that would be another annoying combo like old Taunt Baton Pass Mew in Gen 4...
Also someone mentioned Dark/Poison typing being good way to at least check Fairyceus/Ghostceus... if we don't any good new Pokemon with this typing, I think I would really like to see MegaEvolution of Skuntank and/or Drapion, as right now they obviously lack raw stats to do it. But if they would get those MegaEvos (or normal Evos) they would be an interesting addition to Ubers metagame with really good typing to back them up.
Drapion will probaby rise in usage in lower tiers but like you said it would need a mega evolution to be considered used in ubers too.
Well thankfully there is Yvetal which should be nice Ghostceus counter and darks and psychics in general. I hope it's fast and bulky.
in fairyceus we trust. Also fast + bulky don't mix unless you're arceus.
We got Yveltal's stats and he is Naive http://i.imgur.com/mZpHSJ0.jpg
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Pikachuun
the entire waruda machine
4chan.org are the best stats. But in all seriousness, I'll do the calcs once the link is fixed :]
You should have saved a puush :[[[[[
Yvetal's spread is in the neighborhood of 130-135/130-135/90/130-135/90-95/90-95. Oblivion Wing is apparently an 80 base power Flying move that heals back a substantial proportion (more than half) of the damage done.
How good this thing will be in Ubers will probably hinge on the Dark-type signature move it'll get to take advantage of Dark Aura, and having 95 rather than 90 base speed would obviously be huge for it. It seems to have a bit of Kyurem syndrome where it appears to be tanky at first but the SR weakness means it still dies to the same things that something with average bulk and SR neutrality would die to. On the other hand, Oblivion Wing could mean that it's more likely to be facing things at closer to full health. If it has 135 HP and 95 Special Defense, it's guaranteed to survive a Scarf Kyu-W's Ice Beam at full heath if it has 252 HP EVs.
How good this thing will be in Ubers will probably hinge on the Dark-type signature move it'll get to take advantage of Dark Aura, and having 95 rather than 90 base speed would obviously be huge for it. It seems to have a bit of Kyurem syndrome where it appears to be tanky at first but the SR weakness means it still dies to the same things that something with average bulk and SR neutrality would die to. On the other hand, Oblivion Wing could mean that it's more likely to be facing things at closer to full health. If it has 135 HP and 95 Special Defense, it's guaranteed to survive a Scarf Kyu-W's Ice Beam at full heath if it has 252 HP EVs.
Okay, fixed the link
btw the minimum base stats it can hae is 130/135/95/135/95/90 for 680 BST but this assumes high IVs like 20+ in every stat. Imanalt has his stat ranges in
(go to limi's post)
btw the minimum base stats it can hae is 130/135/95/135/95/90 for 680 BST but this assumes high IVs like 20+ in every stat. Imanalt has his stat ranges in
(go to limi's post)
I wonder if xerneas has the opposite stats, ie 90/95/135/95/135/130
"Oh yeah, Oblivion Wing is Flying, Special, 80 Power 100 Accuracy. Restores HP by 'over half' of the damage dealt.
As you might imagine, Yveltal is a bitch to catch.
More on Oblivion Wing: The healing effect is not to be underestimated. If you hit someone of sufficient bulk you are getting back all your health, period."
Sexy.
As you might imagine, Yveltal is a bitch to catch.
More on Oblivion Wing: The healing effect is not to be underestimated. If you hit someone of sufficient bulk you are getting back all your health, period."
Sexy.