Off the top of my head the pokemon I've seen make this concession most has been CB Azumarill.
No, and it shouldn't be. It should, and does, give you an opportunity to outplay your opponent, however, alleviating that "the match is decided in the first 5 turns" argument.
My point was it doesn't make sense to build a team around such a niche move when it's not as effective as is often assumed, even against its intended target. You can restart a chain after getting PSed and Politoed at least is worn down pretty easily by Zapdos.
But you don't have to build a team around it. Gengar is another pokemon that can run Perish Song, in addition to the plethora of other options available to it and he can go on just about any team or playstyle.
Waterfall and Play Rough. Those are STAB moves designed to be used in most circumstances as inherent characteristics of the pokemon.
The thing is, though, is that both Knock Off and Superpower not only do damage, but also hit multiple things. Perish Song on a choice set is probably one of the biggest and worst gimmicks out there. It does no damage and hits one thing and one thing only, only for the chain to restart after the weakest link (usually Smeargle) has been KOed. Also...
And Gengar? Surely you're not going to decry the horrible sacrifices Gengar has to make to run Perish Song.
If they manage to restart the chain after you cripple it then they deserve the win just as much as anyone else. A win shouldn't be denied to a BP player just because they're playing Baton Pass and that is apparently a sin.
This is very true, and why I support option 2 over no action. While BP may have to adapt and change up their move sets in the future if the metagame actually took building against them into account in balance with all of the other team archtypes, this does not seem to be the case now and people would rather ban it then adapt. Option 2 should at least let BP still exist as an interesting team building option and we could see some more variety from those keeping the dream alive after the ban goes through.
He asked for a pokemon that could run Perish Song. I've seen more than one Azumarill with Perish Song. It works for them. What do you want from me?
Apologies, I actually did miss that. Not layering your actual points in venom would aid in granting clarity to discourse with you.
Thoughts on Curse Trvenant, then? That is my usual go to for my stall team. How would you handle him?
You missed Gengar.
Curse Trevenant works for me and functions in more than enough capacities to earn his place on my stall team. I may be biased, being primarily a stall player, but "build to counter" is what I always do when building a team. BP is no different than having a pokemon or two to handle HO, or a stall breaker prepared to counter other Stall. If I spread myself too thin, that is my fault as a team designer, not Baton Passes fault for existing.
This is why I couple the Curse pressure with Chansey Seismic Tosses, which can't be mitigated by defense boosts.
I do not by any means. As always, anecdotal evidence is worth next to nothing. I was putting forward an answer I had for stall when it was being said Stall suffers most against Baton Pass. Whether it works for me or not is a non-issue, it was a suggestion for those struggling who do play stall.
I acknowledge this, and is also a reason I support option #2. While it was baing said stall has the most difficulty against BP, I find that it would be more general teams, not built strictly around countering all possible threats, could use the assistance in watering down the highly optimized 6 mon BP chain. Reducing it to three mons, and retaining the core of Scoliopede and Espeon, should go far in giving more balanced teams more options to break through the chain without destroying the concept of the chain itself as a valid strategy.
This opinion I find a bit silly, however. In order to account for a threat you dilute that pokemon's ability to handle other kinds of threats. A pokemon made to handle BP would suffer no more against a balanced team than a stallbreaker would against that same balanced team. This is the tradeoff that goes into accounting all checks and counters in the game, building toward one threat weakens your odds against most others. BP is not an exception to this rule and it should not be given a double standard where it is considered incredulous one pokemon may have to weaken itself against general threats to prepare yourself against a specific one.
I don't know if you run stall, but I'de suggest trying it. It makes for a pretty fun game with the BP player trying to break you without losing their team's momentum, or giving up and restarting the chain after heavy losses while you make sure to lock them out again without making your ace in the hole vulnerable. I would hate to see the matchup go, but can understand how other play styles wouldn't find it as enjoyable.
It wasn't so much a suggestion as I was requested to give an example and that was literally the most recent example I had seen, even if it wasn't a great one. I was not expecting the cornerstone of an argument to be based around CB Azumarill coverage concerns. (Though, I thought Superpower was just for Ferrothorn. I can't think of much else that Superpower outclasses Waterfall or Play Rough in in terms of coverage)
