Other XY OU Viability Ranking Thread (V2) (Last update on post #5189)

[Baharoth]

Rotom-W is also slower and not as powerful... and doesnt have intimidate... Or a fire move. Also.... Why the fuck would you send manectric out on a bisharp?

Give him a scarf and he is fast enough, instead of intimidate he has bulk, instead of a fire move he has wow and he has hydropump which is extremly useful for a volt switch user. And if you need a fire move that badly, Rotom-H says hi.

Mega Man is the same thing as mega Blastoise, good at his job, maybe even the best depending on what exactly you want, but simply not worth the mega slot.

 

[Karxrida]

Rotom-W is also slower and not as powerful... and doesnt have intimidate... Or a fire move. Also.... Why the fuck would you send manectric out on a bisharp?

Rotom-W can actually pivot and checks more shit. Bisharp is a massive threat that Rotom-W can actually handle while Manectric is a massive liability against it.

 

[Ninja Charizard]

Give him a scarf and he is faster, instead of intimidate he has bulk, instead of a fire move he has wow and he has hydropump which is extremly useful for a volt switch user.

And is locked into a single move, which means it actually has to make predictions and can't just lolvoltswitch against every single threat who comes to beat it.

Manectric is the only pokemon who will never have to switch out the normal way. It will always do it by dealing damage. Unless against ground pokes, who die to HP ice. Hippo is about the only thing in the meta who can force the Manectric player to switch out by clicking a button other than volt switch. And hippo is UU. Everything else has to pay with HP to force Manectric out, while failing to deal damage to Manectric.

 

[Kyuzeth]

Give him a scarf and he is fast enough, instead of intimidate he has bulk, instead of a fire move he has wow and he has hydropump which is extremly useful for a volt switch user. And if you need a fire move that badly, Rotom-H says hi.

Mega Man is the same thing as mega Blastoise, good at his job, maybe even the best depending on what exactly you want, but simply not worth the mega slot.

Rotom-W has coverage issues with just T-Bolt/Discharge and Hydro Pump, while Lum Berry users completely shit all over Rotom-W. Also, Scarf? That makes it extremely easy to switch into, being locked into a single move, as well as losing the bulk it wants to have.
Rotom-H isn't all that good in OU anyway, its STABs being resisted by Garchomp, a really common OU Pokémon (as you know). That, and Rotom-H can't learn Flamethrower if you want a more reliable move, which Mega Manectric does get.

Rotom-W can actually pivot and checks more shit. Bisharp is a massive threat that Rotom-W can actually handle while Manectric is a massive liability against it.

Rotom-W hates having its precious Lefties knocked off, while Mega Manectric activates Bisharp's Defiant. Both aren't really good to use to check Bisharp. Besides, by virtue of its slow Volt Switches, Rotom-W will have to endure more and more damage, while having no reliable form of recovery. Considering the power-oriented metagame we're in, that's not exactly a plus on Rotom-W's side.

 

[Baharoth]

And is locked into a single move, which means it actually has to make predictions and can't just lolvoltswitch against every single threat who comes to beat it.

Manectric is the only pokemon who will never have to switch out the normal way. It will always do it by dealing damage. Unless against ground pokes, who die to HP ice. Hippo is about the only thing in the meta who can force the Manectric player to switch out by clicking a button other than volt switch. And hippo is UU. Everything else has to pay with HP to force Manectric out, while failing to deal damage to Manectric.

Yeah Hippo and any scarfer thats faster as well as any strong priority user, depending on how much life mane has left. Also the difference between mega man and lets say Raikou is fairly small. There arent that many pokemon that mega man can safely outspeed and Raikou doesnt. As I said, Mega man certainly has its perks over other fast pivots, but they are minor for the most part and dont justify using the mega slot for him. Tbh, if Mega man wasnt mega I might agree with putting it into A- but not with such a big opportunity cost.

 

[Lunyck]

Yeah Hippo and any scarfer thats faster as well as any strong priority user, depending on how much life mane has left. Also the difference between mega man and lets say Raikou is fairly small. There arent that many pokemon that mega man can safely outspeed and Raikou doesnt. As I said, Mega man certainly has its perks over other fast pivots, but they are minor for the most part and dont justify using the mega slot for him. Tbh, if Mega man wasnt mega I might agree with putting it into A- but not with such a big opportunity cost.

Yes, because acting as a glue that can hold any balanced team together is totally not worth the megaslot.
The excellent coverage, above average damage output, blazing speed and the momentum mega manectric grabs is just not worth it

 

[Bizdis]

Pivots can't pivot if they are not switching in to take hits. Because they're pivots.

Quote me on the part where I said it was a pivot. I said it kept momentum well when it was already in play. I didn't say it could OHKO Ferrothorn either. Also, you ignored Lightningrod on it. The point is that it weakens these pokemon very nicely whilst still being an offensive threat, unlike Rotom-W, and doesn't let your opponent simply switch in a counter because it just volt switches out, saving precious rain turns. For taking out Bisharp, you have Keldeo. Mega Manetric applies offensive pressure to the opposing team in a way that Rotom-W does not. It isn't garbage as you are suggesting.

 

[Baharoth]

If you need Mega Man to hold your team together your team is most likely flawed and better of failing. So no its not worth it. I realy, realy doubt that there is any team out there thats better of using Mega Man and sacrificing the mega slot instead of using one of the other volt turners and have the mega slot free for some of the extreme powerhouses that are available in OU and even if there is a team where he is that good, it would still be incedibly niche. No matter how you look at it, thats no A Rank material, its hardly B rank worthy imo.

 

[Salt]

Alright, I'm just gonna pop in and say that the Mega slot argument is pretty damned ridiculous. If you're using a specific mega, you're using it for the specific strengths it provides for your team. I'll use Mega Manectric as an example since that's the topic right now. There is no opportunity cost in using Mega Manectric as a pivot in your mega slot because no other mega does the job better. Sure, Charizard, Pinsir, or Venusaur are generally better than Mega Man, but not as pivots. You don't just slap a mega on your team because it's a mega, you put it there because of the things it does for your team.

Also, I support Mega Manectric's move to A-. I honestly cannot see where demotion arguments are coming from. What you guys don't seem to understand is the difference between offensive and defensive pivots. Mega Manectric is the former. Blistering Speed, great Special Attack and coverage, and Intimidate make Mega Manectric excellent at applying offensive pressure to a team and it's very easy to take advantage of with Volt Switch. If you play it correctly, it won't have to take hits. It seems really clear that people arguing for a drop either haven't used Mega Man or don't know how to use him correctly.

 

[Ninja Charizard]

If you need Mega Man to hold your team together your team is most likely flawed and better of failing. So no its not worth it. I realy, realy doubt that there is any team out there thats better of using Mega Man and sacrificing the mega slot instead of using one of the other volt turners and have the mega slot free for some of the extreme powerhouses that are available in OU and even if there is a team where he is that good, it would still be incedibly niche. No matter how you look at it, thats no A Rank material, its hardly B rank worthy imo.

Because every extreme powerhouse in the metagame is a mega, and it's impossible to find five powerful mons who are not mega.

I don't get why there is this fixation for having the mega be the main sweeper, or (in venu's case) main wall. Megas can do any job you need them to do. If Manectric can be put into a team that already has the offensive power and bulk but needs a good pivot, he is what you should use. In the end "mega" is just a word.

As a matter of fact, there is only one mega pokemon in S-rank right now. Every other mega in the game is outclassed by the five non-megas who are sitting at the top. So stop overrating mega pokemon. The ones who were above everything else were banned to uber months ago.

 

[Lunyck]

If you need Mega Man to hold your team together your team is most likely flawed and better of failing. So no its not worth it. I realy, realy doubt that there is any team out there thats better of using Mega Man and sacrificing the mega slot instead of using one of the other volt turners and have the mega slot free for some of the extreme powerhouses that are available in OU and even if there is a team where he is that good, it would still be incedibly niche. No matter how you look at it, thats no A Rank material, its hardly B rank worthy imo.

I wasnt even trying to make it go up to A rank but implying that the blue bomber needs to go down is retarded. Using your logic, every single team before gen 6 is stupid and not worth using because there isnt a megaslot. The blue bomber provides coverage that no volt turner has, provides support and doesnt even need much predictin to be good. Also, to reach his speed would need a prior boost, which would mean... Using a turn to set-up or locking yourself into one move
Implying that he needs to go down to c is stupid.

 

[Baharoth]

Alright, I'm just gonna pop in and say that the Mega slot argument is pretty damned ridiculous. If you're using a specific mega, you're using it for the specific strengths it provides for your team. I'll use Mega Manectric as an example since that's the topic right now. There is no opportunity cost in using Mega Manectric as a pivot in your mega slot because no other mega does the job better. Sure, Charizard, Pinsir, or Venusaur are generally better than Mega Man, but not as pivots. You don't just slap a mega on your team because it's a mega, you put it there because of the things it does for your team.

Also, I support Mega Manectric's move to A-. I honestly cannot see where demotion arguments are coming from. What you guys don't seem to understand is the difference between offensive and defensive pivots. Mega Manectric is the former. Blistering Speed, great Special Attack and coverage, and Intimidate make Mega Manectric excellent at applying offensive pressure to a team and it's very easy to take advantage of with Volt Switch. If you play it correctly, it won't have to take hits. It seems really clear that people arguing for a drop either haven't used Mega Man or don't know how to use him correctly.

Because there is just one mega allowed on a team every mega not only faces competition in its role but also competition in simply beeing a mega. If I have just one slot i want to use it as well as possible, get the most benefit from it and imo the benefit you have by using Mega Man over another volt turner is fairly small compared to the benefit you get from other megas. Mega Man doesnt only compete with other Volt turners but also with other Megas for a slot and if you look on how much better he is compared to other volt turners and on how much worse he is compared to other megas he is just second choice at most.

If Mega Man was far better in any way compared to other volt turners he might be worth it but imo thats not the case. Raikou and the others are almost, if not just as good as he is.

 

[Lunyck]

Because there is just one mega allowed on a team every mega not only faces competition in its role but also competition in simply beeing a mega. If I have just one slot i want to use it as well as possible, get the most benefit from it and imo the benefit you have by using Mega Man over another volt turner is fairly small compared to the benefit you get from other megas. Mega Man doesnt only compete with other Volt turners but also with other Megas for a slot and if you look on how much better he is compared to other volt turners and on how much worse he is compared to other megas he is just second choice at most.

If Mega Man was far better in any way compared to other volt turners he might be worth it but imo thats not the case. Raikou and the others are almost, if not just as good as he is.

I spot a problem here

If I have just one slot i want to use it as well as possible

Which is exactly why people would use the mega that would suit their playstyle and hold their team together.
In more than one case, the blue bomber is that ideal one slot.
And... He is far better than most volt turners out there.... (He doesn't get walled by ferrothorn for one)

 

[Kyuzeth]

If you need Mega Man to hold your team together your team is most likely flawed and better of failing. So no its not worth it. I realy, realy doubt that there is any team out there thats better of using Mega Man and sacrificing the mega slot instead of using one of the other volt turners and have the mega slot free for some of the extreme powerhouses that are available in OU and even if there is a team where he is that good, it would still be incedibly niche. No matter how you look at it, thats no A Rank material, its hardly B rank worthy imo.

Bollocks. Aside from forming a great core with Landorus-T, these two work incredibly well with hazard setters, the most prominent example being Deoxys-D, which in turn is accompanied by Bisharp, who punishes Defog users. With its blazingly fast Volt Switches, Mega Manectric just attacks and switches into Bisharp on a Defogger, making it so that Bisharp gets the +2 in Attack, Pursuit trap or Sucker Punch. The only things you'll probably need are a spinblocker, Aegislash being a really good example, and a fast wallbreaker, for which role Keldeo comes to mind.
There, now you have a full team that includes Mega Manectric and is well-held together because everything is one piece to the puzzle and Mega Manectric partners really well with all of these Pokémon.

 

[Lunyck]

Because there is just one mega allowed on a team every mega not only faces competition in its role but also competition in simply beeing a mega. If I have just one slot i want to use it as well as possible, get the most benefit from it and imo the benefit you have by using Mega Man over another volt turner is fairly small compared to the benefit you get from other megas. Mega Man doesnt only compete with other Volt turners but also with other Megas for a slot and if you look on how much better he is compared to other volt turners and on how much worse he is compared to other megas he is just second choice at most.

If Mega Man was far better in any way compared to other volt turners he might be worth it but imo thats not the case. Raikou and the others are almost, if not just as good as he is.

Also why would you compare megaman to the other megas? Whereas the other megas are sweepers, tanks, wall breakers and walls, the blue bomber is the only offensive pivot on there.
You aren't looking at a wall breaker or a sweeper here, you're looking at someone who grabs momentum and punishes the enemy for every bad play they make.

Game freak treated the blue bomber better than capcom imo

 

[Salt]

Because there is just one mega allowed on a team every mega not only faces competition in its role but also competition in simply beeing a mega. If I have just one slot i want to use it as well as possible, get the most benefit from it and imo the benefit you have by using Mega Man over another volt turner is fairly small compared to the benefit you get from other megas.

"Being a mega" doesn't really matter. Yes, some megas are much easier to fit on teams because their niches are much more useful in general. Take Mega Charizard X, the best mega according to the viability list. He's takes a role of a powerful physical sweeper that is immune to burns, but can also run bulky sets useful to stall. Those traits make a Pokemon with a huge niche which is easy to fit onto a lot of teams, which is why he's ranked higher than any other mega on the list. Now, let's go to the opposite end of the spectrum and talk about one of the "worst" megas: Banette. Mega Banette isn't really that good because of its weird stat distribution and relative lack of useful moves to abuse Prankster with. However, one of these moves is extremely important: Destiny Bond. With Destiny Bond, Mega Banette becomes an emergency stop to every boosting sweeper that doesn't rely on priority. If your team is weak to boosting sweepers, then Mega Banette is a great choice to stop them. The point here is that some megas are viewed as "worse" just because their niches are a lot more specific, and thus less easy to just throw on a team and do well, but that doesn't mean they're bad Pokemon. If they fit on your team, there is no reason to not use them.

 

[Baharoth]

Which is exactly why people would use the mega that would suit their playstyle and hold their team together.
In more than one case, the blue bomber is that ideal one slot.
And... He is far better than most volt turners out there.... (He doesn't get walled by ferrothorn for one)

Maybe its more than one case, but its certainly rare. Not beeing walled by something isnt exactly important for a volt turner is it? Not to mention that Zapdos does the same, so does Rotom-H (yeah he isnt good either but he doesnt use the mega slot) and Rotom-W can simply burn Ferro to cripple it for the rest of the game.

"Being a mega" doesn't really matter. Yes, some megas are much easier to fit on teams because their niches are much more useful in general. Take Mega Charizard X, the best mega according to the viability list. He's takes a role of a powerful physical sweeper that is immune to burns, but can also run bulky sets useful to stall. Those traits make a Pokemon with a huge niche which is easy to fit onto a lot of teams, which is why he's ranked higher than any other mega on the list. Now, let's go to the opposite end of the spectrum and talk about one of the "worst" megas: Banette. Mega Banette isn't really that good because of it's weird stat distribution and relative lack of useful moves to abuse Prankster with. However, one of these moves is extremely important: Destiny Bond. With Destiny Bond, Mega Banette becomes an emergency stop to every boosting sweeper that doesn't rely on priority. If your team is weak to boosting sweepers, then Mega Banette is a great choice to stop them. The point here is that some megas are viewed as "worse" just because their niches are a lot more specific, and thus less easy to just throw on a team and do well.

Its not only that there roles are a lot more specific, its also the fact that there are enough other mons out there that can fullfil the same role to a good degree without using the mega slot. In Banettes case Thundy and Gengar come to mind.

And yes "beeing a mega" does matter, it matters a hell of alot. You can only use one mega on your team but there are over 20 megas out there ofc there is competition between the megas, ignoring this fact is ignoring reality. Mega Houndoom is probably the best sweeper on a Sun team, should we put it into A rank because of that?

Offensive Pivot is a specific role to begin with, not every team needs one, and those that need it can choose between a wide variety of good pokemon of which only one uses a mega slot while not beeing that much better than the others.

As I said before, A- is far to much for Mega Man, B is fine.

 

[Lunyck]

Maybe its more than one case, but its certainly rare. Not beeing walled by something isnt exactly important for a volt turner is it? Not to mention that Zapdos does the same, so does Rotom-H (yeah he isnt good either but he doesnt use the mega slot) and Rotom-W can simply burn Ferro to cripple it for the rest of the game.

*implies that people use ferro for attacking.
Zapdos and rotom are both fucked up by stealth rocks which hurt them every time they switch in
But that isn't really something important for a volt turner is it?

 

[Kyuzeth]

Maybe its more than one case, but its certainly rare. Not beeing walled by something isnt exactly important for a volt turner is it? Not to mention that Zapdos does the same, so does Rotom-H (yeah he isnt good either but he doesnt use the mega slot) and Rotom-W can simply burn Ferro to cripple it for the rest of the game.

If you've read some previous posts, it's explained that Zapdos is a bulky Defogger, NOT a pivot of either kind. Rotom-H is kinda bad in OU because of its common weaknesses (Rock and Water weaknesses hurt) and being set-up bait for Mega Charizard X and Lum Berry Dragon-types. It additionally suffers from some similar issues as Rotom-W, that being the lack of reliable recovery and its bulk only carrying it so far. It especially makes for an awful pivot because of its SR weakness and the combination of its average Speed and bad defensive typing. Not to mention, Mold Breakers shit all over this thing.

 

[Baharoth]

Zapdos and rotom are both fucked up by stealth rocks which hurt them every time they switch in
But that isn't really something important for a volt turner is it?

And mega man doesnt take SR dmg I guess? Yes he doesnt take as much as Zapdos but in exchange Zapdos can have lefties and has some very usefull resits that allow him to come in more often and do something.

If you've read some previous posts, it's explained that Zapdos is a bulky Defogger, NOT a pivot of either kind. Rotom-H is kinda bad in OU because of its common weaknesses (Rock and Water weaknesses hurt) and being set-up bait for Mega Charizard X and Lum Berry Dragon-types. It additionally suffers from some similar issues as Rotom-W, that being the lack of reliable recovery and its bulk only carrying it so far. It especially makes for an awful pivot because of its SR weakness and the combination of its average Speed and bad defensive typing. Not to mention, Mold Breakers shit all over this thing.

The fact that he is mostly used as a bulky defoger doesnt mean that he cant be used as something else. He has the same moves available that Mega Man has (ok heatwave instead of flamethrower but care) he is reasonably fast and powerful and has a much better typing.

 

[Kyuzeth]

And mega man doesnt take SR dmg I guess? Yes he doesnt take as much as Zapdos but in exchange Zapdos can have lefties and has some very usefull resits that allow him to come in more often and do something.

Being capable of holding Lefties means it really won't like coming in on Bisharp's Knock Off. Defog grants Bisharp a +2 in Attack and it can either Sucker Punch or Pursuit-trap if Zapdos uses Volt Switch. Mega Manectric has the advantage of not being fazed at all by Trick, Switcheroo and Knock Off. Granted, I know Zapdos can finish off Bisharp with a well-predicted Heat Wave, but it won't like facing Bisharp all that much, especially after having taken SR damage. Lefties never immediately activate on the turn Zapdos switches into SR, unless it's coming in from a U-turn or Volt Switch from one of its teammates.

The fact that he is mostly used as a bulky defoger doesnt mean that he cant be used as something else. He has the same moves available that Mega Man has (ok heatwave instead of flamethrower but care) he is reasonably fast and powerful and a much better typing.

*Defogger
Much better typing, you ask? In spite of the resistances, being weak to Rock and Ice, two very powerful offensive types, means its defensive capabilities are hampered quite a bit. After Roosting, it gets the same 'bad typing' as Mega Manectric for one turn and Bold Zapdos having Roosted takes slightly more damage from most moves than Mega Manectric, considering the standard investment for physically defensive Zapdos.

 

[Lunyck]

And mega man doesnt take SR dmg I guess? Yes he doesnt take as much as Zapdos but in exchange Zapdos can have lefties and has some very usefull resits that allow him to come in more often and do something.



The fact that he is mostly used as a bulky defoger doesnt mean that he cant be used as something else. He has the same moves available that Mega Man has (ok heatwave instead of flamethrower but care) he is reasonably fast and powerful and has a much better typing.

Yes, because losing 25% of your health every time you switch in is what makes a pivot so great.
Sorry to tell you this, but there's a huge difference between 100 and 135

 

[Baharoth]

Mega Man cant come in on Bisharp either so whats the point? And nobody will ever use trick on one of them so care.

Anyways we are running in circles here. Imo Mega Man is fine where he is, if he is to move he should move down, not up, I ve explained why.

 

[Kyuzeth]

Mega Man cant come in on Bisharp either so whats the point? And nobody will ever use trick on one of them so care.

Anyways we are running in circles here. Imo Mega Man is fine where he is, if he is to move the should move down, not up, I ve explained why.

I've already noted neither of them can deal with Bisharp efficiently. Learn to read properly before replying, for fuck's sake.

If Mega Manectric is to move, it will rise, as its positives clearly outshine its negatives and most of your arguments either don't make sense or have been completely refuted.

 

[theV8man]

Mega Man cant come in on Bisharp either so whats the point? And nobody will ever use trick on one of them so care.

Anyways we are running in circles here. Imo Mega Man is fine where he is, if he is to move he should move down, not up, I ve explained why.

Even though you may have that opinion, but I think we've wasted enough forum space refuting your opinions with facts as to why Mega-Man deserves a better rank.