Zigzagoon (Analysis)

[Darkamber8828]

He's right. Substitute over Return, probs. Gluttony's illegal with Espeed.

 

[smashlloyd20]

Forgot about that, sigh. Ah well, Pickup can still work, although if you're really fixated on Gluttony use Return over Espeed.

 

[(makeup)]

Or just run Substitute over Return. I'm not sure if Zigzagoon hits the right number to active Salac after Sub and Belly Drum though. I'm not sure if you'll need to speed boost though unless you're tying with other Extremespeed (Although Dratini is really the only one who uses it).
pst PO hasn't made the moveset illegal yet

 

[Darkamber8828]

The 4th gen analysis says it does, with no HP investment.

You do kinda need to boost speed, for all those pokemon that resist Espeed.

Like Misdreavus or something.

 

[(makeup)]

yeah but Zigzagoon's movepool is so small that taking away another moveslot would make it useless. I mentioned it in the AC but I don't think it needs its own slot

 

[Darkamber8828]

yeah but Zigzagoon's movepool is so small that taking away another moveslot would make it useless. I mentioned it in the AC but I don't think it needs its own slot

:/ does Return do anything but kill Gliggy and save Espeed PP?

 

[(makeup)]

beat Hippo
Zigzagoon @ Salac Berry (196 EVs, +Nature, +6) Return vs Hippopotas @ Evolution Stone (212/212 EVs, Neutral Nature): 91.6 - 112.5% (22 - 27 HP)
Zigzagoon @ Salac Berry (196 EVs, +Nature, +6) Extremespeed vs Hippopotas @ Evolution Stone (212/212 EVs, Neutral Nature): 75 - 91.6% (18 - 22 HP)
I'll slash substitute but this thing sucks either way.

 

[Donny Mae.]

why use this instead of linoone?

 

[(makeup)]

Because this is Little Cup.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

for some reason i thought pickup had a chance to turn into gluttony when you migrated it (sort of like tri attack togekiss). Was I mistaken?

 

[Komodo]

for some reason i thought pickup had a chance to turn into gluttony when you migrated it (sort of like tri attack togekiss). Was I mistaken?

Abilities only change through evolution.

~GP check 1/2~

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[Overview]
<p>Black and White brought many new threats to the table, as well as many new ways of taking care of them;(semi colon) however, almost nothing has changed for our little raccoon friend. As always, Zigzagoon has terrible stats, a small physical movepool,(comma) and is generally underwhelming. With access to Belly Drum and ExtremeSpeed, Zigzagoon will sweep any team short of a Steel-type. Luckily for Zigzagoon, there are few Steel-types in Little Cup, and they can easily be removed with the help of Magnemite. Not many Few Normal-type sweepers or Belly Drum users have come in been introduced to Black and White, so Zigzagoon is still best a what he does. Zigzagoon is back and ready to wreak havoc!</p>

[Set]
name: Belly Percussionist
move 1: Belly Drum
move 2: ExtremeSpeed
move 3: Return / Substitute
move 4: Seed Bomb
item: Salac Berry
nature: Adamant
ability: Pickup
EVs: 196 Atk / 28 Def / 28 SpD / 196 Spe

[Set Comments]
<p>This is generally the only set Zigzagoon can pull of, but everyone and their grandmothers knows he does it well. Belly Drum and ExtremeSpeed work together in harmony to make Zigzagoon a complete monster. After a Belly Drum, this little raccoon's excuse for an Attack stat skyrockets to a downright scary 52. ExtremeSpeed, alongside Sucker Punch, is the strongest priority move in the game, and with the STAB boost, it hits a satisfying 120 Base Power. Return essentially a stronger, slower version of ExtremeSpeed is another powerful STAB move, and has a 93% chance to OHKO max HP Evolution Stone Gligar after Stealth Rock. Seed Bomb is the only move Zigzagoon gets to complement its Normal attacks, and does a pretty good job of at it too. After a Belly Drum, Seed Bomb will always OHKO standard Gastly, standard Misdreavus, and max HP max Defense Evolution Stone Pururiru. Seed Bomb will also OHKO any Rock-type that resists ExtremeSpeed, too.</p>

<p>The problem with this set is it that it deals very little damage to can't touch Steel-types;(semi colon) Pokemon like Tesshiido and Bronzor can put an end to Zigzagoon's sweep easily. However, there is a simple way to remedy this problem: Magnemite;(semi colon) Magnemite's ability, Magnet Pull, will ensure Steel-types can't escape, effectively allowing Magnemite to dispose of any Steel-type with Hidden Power Fire or Thunderbolt necessary.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>At first glance, Dig might seem like a viable option to defeat Steel-types; it's not,(comma) most of the commonly used Steel-types in the Little Cup metagame, like Bronzor and Tesshiido, won't even take that much damage from Dig. Dig is also easy to predict and can often get you Whirlwinded phazed away by the likes of Murkrow if it switches in on the turn you burrow your way into the Ground. Pursuit could work in place of Return, but Seed Bomb generally does enough damage,(comma) to not need making Pursuit unneccessary. Magnemite is a required teammate to use with this set, as it's the best way to eliminate Stee-types before Zigzagoon can even try to attempt a sweep. Sadly, Gluttony is illegal with ExtremeSpeed at level five and can't be used. If this really bothers you, Substitute can be used over Return.</p>

[Team Options]
<p>Zigzagoon will always fail to sweep with when Steel-types are in its way,(comma) therefore, using Magnemite is required to eliminate them. Magnemite is the best possible teammate for Zigzagoon,(comma) and Zigzagoon should never be seen on a Magnemite-less team. A strong user of Pursuit user, such as Murkrow makes Zigzagoon's life much easier by removing Ghost-types from the game with Pursuit. Wynaut is another great teammate for Zigzagoon,it has a resistance to resisting Fighting,(comma) and it buys buying Zigzagoon a free turn to set up with its infamous Encore + Shadow Tag combination. Although rare in Little Cup, a user of Wish can replenish Zigzagoon's health, giving it potential to sweep again if its health has already been lowered. Gluttony, Sadly, Gluttony is illegal with ExtremeSpeed.(full stop)</p>

[Optional Changes]
<p>Outside of Pursuit, Zigzagoon literally has nothing else to work with. Maybe Dig can be used if your opponent is without of a Flying-type and or Levitate user.</p>

[Counters]
<p>As mentioned before, Any Steel-type can put a stop to Zigzagoon's sweep;(semi colon) Bronzor is a good candidate, as it can set up Stealth Rock, Reflect, Light Screen, Trick Room, or just kill Zigzagoon with Gyro Ball. Tesshiido only takes a quarter of the standard amount of damage from has a 4x resistance to Seed Bomb and also resists Normal. Tesshiido also has Iron Barbs, meaning every time it is hit,(comma) Zigzagoon will damage Zigzagoon. Bulky Ghost-types like such as Duskull can take a hit, then burn Zigzagoon with Will-O-Wisp and take it on from there. Meowth or Anything else with a powerful Fake Out can defeat Zigzagoon at 50% health, Meowth is a good example.</p>

[Dream World]
<p>Zigzagoon gets Quick Feet as a Dream World ability;(semi colon) with a Toxic Orb, Zigzagoon can hit 24 Speed, effectively revenge killing most threats with STAB,(comma) 140 Base Power Facade. However, Zigzagoon will only have 12 Attack,(comma) which is far too weak to do anything without Belly Drum.</p>

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Blue is an edit

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[(makeup)]

Thanks! I'll make changes.

 

[Darkamber8828]

Is it really worth mentioning killing Gligar, when it outspeeds you and EQs you at 50% health?

 

[(makeup)]

You can hit it on the switch in, so yeah I would think it is.

 

[Fatecrashers]

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[Overview]
<p>Black and White brought many new threats to the table, as well as many new ways of taking care of them; however, almost nothing has changed for our little raccoon friend, Zigzagoon. Zigzagoon has terrible stats, a small physical movepool, and is generally underwhelming. With access to Belly Drum and ExtremeSpeed, Zigzagoon will is liable to sweep any team short of a Steel-type. Luckily for Zigzagoon, there are few Steel-types in Little Cup, and they can generally easily be easily removed with the help of Magnemite. Few Normal-type sweepers or Belly Drum users have been introduced to Black and White, so Zigzagoon is still the best a at what he does. Don't underestimate our little furry friend, Zigzagoon is back and ready to wreak havoc!</p>

[Set]
name: Belly Percussionist
move 1: Belly Drum
move 2: ExtremeSpeed
move 3: Return / Substitute
move 4: Seed Bomb
item: Salac Berry
nature: Adamant
ability: Pickup
EVs: 196 Atk / 28 Def / 28 SpD / 196 Spe

[Set Comments]
<p>This is the only set that Zigzagoon can pull off of, but everyone and their grandmothers know that he does it damn well. Belly Drum and ExtremeSpeed work together in harmony to make Zigzagoon a complete monster. After a Belly Drum, this little raccoon's Attack stat skyrockets to a downright scary 52. ExtremeSpeed, alongside Sucker Punch, is the strongest priority move in the game, and with the STAB boost, it hits a satisfying 120 Base Power. Return is another powerful STAB move, and has a 93% chance to OHKO max HP Evolution Stone Gligar after Stealth Rock. Seed Bomb is the only move that Zigzagoon gets to complement its Normal attacks, and it does a pretty good job at it too. After a Belly Drum, Seed Bomb will always OHKO standard Gastly, standard Misdreavus, and max HP max Defense Evolution Stone Frillish Pururiru. Seed Bomb will also OHKO any Rock-types that attempt to wall resists ExtremeSpeed.</p>

<p>The problem with this set is it that it deals very little damage to Steel-types; Pokemon like Tesshiido Ferroseed and Bronzor can put an end to Zigzagoon's sweep easily. However, there is a simple way to remedy this problem: Magnemite; Magnemite's ability, Magnet Pull, will ensure that Steel-types can't escape from the battlefield, allowing Magnemite to dispose of any Steel-types with Hidden Power Fire or Thunderbolt.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>At first glance, Dig might seem like a viable option to defeat for defeating Steel-types; it's not, most of the commonly used Steel-types in the Little Cup metagame, like Bronzor and Ferroseed Tesshiido, won't take much damage from are barely scratched by Dig. Dig is also easy to predict around and can often get you phazed away by the likes of Murkrow if it switches in on the turn you burrow your way into the ground. Pursuit could work in place of Return, but Seed Bomb does enough damage to Ghosts already, making Pursuit unneccessary. Magnemite is a required teammate as it's the best way to eliminate Steel-types before Zigzagoon can even attempt a sweep. Sadly, Gluttony is illegal with ExtremeSpeed at Level 5 and can't be used. If this really bothers you, then Substitute can be used over Return to help Zigzagoon net that Salac boost.</p>

[Team Options]
<p>Zigzagoon will always fail when Steel-types are in its his way, therefore, using Magnemite is required to eliminate them. Magnemite is the best possible teammate for Zigzagoon, and Zigzagoon should never be seen on a Magnemite-less team. A strong Pursuit user, such as Murkrow, makes Zigzagoon's life much easier by removing Ghost-types from the game. Wynaut is another great teammate for Zigzagoon, it has a resistance to Fighting, and it buys can buy Zigzagoon a free turn to set up with its infamous Encore + Shadow Tag combination. Although rare in Little Cup, a user of Wish can help replenish Zigzagoon's health, giving it the potential to sweep again. Sadly, Gluttony is illegal with ExtremeSpeed.</p>

[Optional Changes]
<p>Outside of Pursuit, Zigzagoon literally has nothing else to work with. Dig can be used if your opponent is without a Flying-type or a Levitator. stat skyrockets to a downright scary 52. such as Murkrow makes Zigzagoon's life much easier by removing Ghost-types from the game with Pursuit. Wynaut is another great teammate for Zigzagoon, or Levitate user.</p>

[Counters]
<p> Any Steel-type can put a stop to Zigzagoon's sweep; Bronzor is a good candidate as it can set up Stealth Rock, Reflect, Light Screen, Trick Room, or just kill Zigzagoon outright with Gyro Ball. Tesshiidohas Ferroseed resists Normal as well as having a 4x resistance to Seed Bomb and also resists Normal. Tesshiido Ferroseed also has Iron Barbs the ability Metal Thorns, meaning every time it is hit with a contact move, Zigzagoon will take damage. Bulky Ghost-types such as Duskull can take a hit, and then proceed to burn Zigzagoon with Will-O-Wisp. Anything with a powerful Fake Out, such as Meowth, can defeat Zigzagoon at 50% health. Meowth is a good example.</p>

[Dream World]
<p>Zigzagoon gets Quick Feet as a Dream World ability; with a Toxic Orb, Zigzagoon can hit hits 24 Speed, and can effectively revenge kill most threats with STAB, 140 Base Power Facade. However, Zigzagoon will only have 12 Attack, which is far too weak to do anything without Belly Drum.</p>

quite good apart from some copypasta troubles lol

 

[(makeup)]

Thanks! Lol it's funny looking at how I couldn't do a simple copy and paste >_<
I'll implement changes later (I'm on my iPod) and this shall be declared done! >:D

 

[macle]

[SET]

name: Belly Percussionist
move 1: Belly Drum
move 2: ExtremeSpeed
move 3: Return / Substitute
move 4: Seed Bomb
item: Salac Berry
nature: Adamant
ability: Pickup
EVs: 196 Atk / 28 Def / 28 SpD / 196 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This is the only set that Zigzagoon can pull off, but everyone and their grandmothers know that he does it damn well. Belly Drum and ExtremeSpeed work together in harmony to make Zigzagoon a complete monster. After a Belly Drum, this little raccoon's Attack stat skyrockets to a downright scary 52. ExtremeSpeed, alongside Sucker Punch, is the strongest priority move in the game, and with the STAB boost, it hits a satisfying 120 Base Power. Return is another powerful STAB move, and has a 93% chance to OHKO max HP Evolution Stone Gligar after Stealth Rock. Seed Bomb is the only move that Zigzagoon gets to complement its Normal attacks, and it does a pretty good job at it too. After a Belly Drum, Seed Bomb will always OHKO standard Gastly, standard Misdreavus, and max HP max Defense Evolution Stone Frillish. Seed Bomb will also OHKO any Rock-types that attempt to wall ExtremeSpeed.</p>

<p>The problem with this set is that it deals very little damage to Steel-types; Pokemon like Ferroseed and Bronzor can put an end to Zigzagoon's sweep easily. However, there is a simple way to remedy this problem: Magnemite; Magnemite's ability, Magnet Pull, will ensure that Steel-types can't escape from the battlefield, allowing Magnemite to dispose of any Steel-types with Hidden Power Fire or Thunderbolt.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>At first glance, Dig might seem like a viable option for defeating Steel-types; it's not, most of the commonly used Steel-types in the Little Cup metagame, like Bronzor and Ferroseed are barely scratched by Dig. Dig is also easy to predict around and can often get you phazed away by the likes of Murkrow if it switches in on the turn you burrow into the ground. Pursuit could work in place of Return, but Seed Bomb does enough damage to Ghosts already, making Pursuit unnecessary. Magnemite is a required teammate as it's the best way to eliminate Steel-types before Zigzagoon can even attempt a sweep. Sadly, Gluttony is illegal with ExtremeSpeed at Level 5 and can't be used. If this really bothers you, then Substitute can be used over Return to help Zigzagoon net that Salac boost.</p>

change evo stone to eviolite and unnecessary was spelled wrong

 

[(makeup)]

good catch, thanks

 

[(makeup)]

Updated.

 

[Zephyr]

Uploaded.

 

[Fatecrashers]

salac berry isn't even released so i have no idea why this is onsite

jesus fuck i checked this thing too