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Zoroark

With Sucker Punch and Flamethrower I think it is bar none the best Nattorei and Shandera killer. Scarfed or not Sucker Punch will kill Shandera and you'd have to be in the Rain for Nattorei to survive Flamethrower.
 
Jaroda said:
With Sucker Punch and Flamethrower I think it is bar none the best Nattorei and Shandera killer. Scarfed or not Sucker Punch will kill Shandera and you'd have to be in the Rain for Nattorei to survive Flamethrower.
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that'll depend on the ev spread u give it. besides that point its energy should be focused on either full special attack or full attack with full beneficial nature speed.
 
Toxicroak is BY FAR the best partner here; 4x Weak to Psychic, has both Nasty Plot AND Dark Pulse on its Move List, and is a fairly decent Poke all by itself because of Swords Dance/Sucker Punch/Dry Skin all being so useful.

Run a Ghost Type on the same team for variation, and you're golden. I've literally swept entire Teams with Zoro abusing the Nasty Plot Psychic absorb; run Focus Sash just in case, and he's perfect.
 
^ Well, almost perfect. What if the foe has Toxic Spikes up (assuming Zoro isn't a lead)? The Poison-type Toxicroak being poisoned would seem very, very suspicious, don'tcha think?
 
SharKing said:
^ Well, almost perfect. What if the foe has Toxic Spikes up (assuming Zoro isn't a lead)? The Poison-type Toxicroak being poisoned would seem very, very suspicious, don'tcha think?
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Not only that but stealth rrocks could be a deads give away as well. But i guess thats what the rest of the team is for.
 
Reliking said:
<3 Zoroak. Although team showing pre-match limits his effectiveness.
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How? Unless your opponent takes into account every single other pokemon as a potential illusion, it's just as effective if we didn't have team reveal.

In fact I'd say that team reveal helps Zoroark because it gives a "preconceived" notion of what Zoroark will transform into to your opponent further confusing it if you change around your team (which you should do if using Zoroark).
 
Cshadow said:
I don't understand why it couldn't do both at the same time.
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It can. He wasn't saying that it can't.

Also I at first thought team preview would mess him up. But it actually makes your enemy quite paranoid. As they know/are waiting for Zoa to show up. They get all antsy thinking everything is a zoa. it's great.
 
I just thought of this: Zoroark could very well be disguised as a lovely Scizor to bait in ST Shandera who comes in on the SD, then Sucker Punch their asses before they get to Nitro Charge/Flamethrower/Fire Blast you.
 
Redjar said:
Also I at first thought team preview would mess him up. But it actually makes your enemy quite paranoid. As they know/are waiting for Zoa to show up. They get all antsy thinking everything is a zoa. it's great.
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Ohh, I'm taking Zoro into consideration again. I get more pleased at the thought of the enemy trainer crumbling under his own fear.

I am so Dark-type, LOL.
 
Rayquaza_ said:
Zoroark can't just be thrown into any team. You need to pair him with pokemon that can use (and make sense) the moves it normally carries for maximizing the surprise effect. Also avoid SR weak pokemon and lots of flying types/levitators to keep the facade going.
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No, the surprise effect comes with the pokémon you're faking, not with the moves you use. If you use Dark Pulse, it doesn't matter if you appear as Zoroark or MissingNo., you WILL have your move walled by the same thing and will probably get outsped regardless. At best you should fake something like U-Turn, if only for scouting, but not something like Dark Pulse or Flamethrower. Who cares if they see your Ononokusu/Scizor using a Fire-type move, their counter/check got screwed regardless and you're still alive.


Zoroark was not made for overly-long mindgames. And with "overly-long", I mean "more than half a turn".
 
^this post exactly. if you're not using zoroark to lure and KO popular walls like burungeru, nattorei and gliscor, you're using it wrong. (night burst > dark pulse)
 
Zoroark is pretty good at copying Toxicroak when it's not in rain...

So I guess that'd be usable via UU.

EDIT: Nevermind, it'd be quite obvious... It could possibly lure in Gliscor at best, but who would use Toxicroak outside of rain this gen?
 
Well in PO it copies the last Pokemon's Name and Appearance, so it makes a great partner to Weezing (Weezing is resistant to Fighting/Bug, and Zoroark is immune to Psychic)

If you go for Dark Pulse over Night Burst on Zoroark, you can even fool the opponent for more than one turn that it's a Weezing (weezing learns Dark Pulse)
 
Dark Pulse said:
If you go for Dark Pulse over Night Burst on Zoroark, you can even fool the opponent for more than one turn that it's a Weezing (weezing learns Dark Pulse)
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Not really, they'd know that one, Weezing never uses Dark Pulse, and two, that you'd deal a lot more damage than a Weezing would be capable of.
 
The point of Zoroark is to lure out all the counters of the Pokemon he copies, eat them alive, then let the REAL Pokemon sweep with all its counters gone.
 
It's actually more difficult to use Zoroark than I originally thought. I myself would stay away from it; the only thing going for it probably would be a Shandera check, and that even would come with its considerations.

I think it just doesn't have the defensive stats to do anything more than maybe get some damage in on its first turn of switch-in, or some damage in as a lead.
 
Zoroark doesn't necessarily HAVE to lure in and open up a sweep for another pokemon. Simply luring in ANY pokemon with average special defense allows the SpecsSet to wreak havoc on the opponent's team, and is an effective holepuncher. It has great coverage with Night Burst / Flamethrower / Focus Blast / U-Turn, though FB is largely filler and you can use whatever you need in that slot.
 
Another great pokemon I think Zoroark would pair well with is Slaking. You can catch the opponent off-guard when he/she sees what looks like a potential free turn...when it's not.

Useful moves they share:
Pursuit
Night Slash
Sucker Punch
(Because Zoro gets STAB and Slaking doesn't, the power from those moves would be close to equal.)
Flamethrower
Focus Blast (Hammer Arm/Focus Punch>Focus Blast factoring in attack difference, anyways)
Aerial Ace
Hone Claws (This, Bulk Up and Cheer Up are the only ways Slaking can boost attack)
Giga Impact (there you really do give the opponent a free turn...)
 
You could still eliminate the opponent's Slaking abuser.

Sure, there could be more than one, but the primary one will be eliminated.
 
I like Zoroark. Nasty Plot sets are amazing to abuse.

I have Xatu as my last slot poke, so people are kinda scared to use non-attack moves on him. I can use this opportunity to sub up, then nasty plot.
 
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