Choice Band Groudon can be devastating with the right support. It has incredible power with the Choice Band boost and Earthquake OHKOes Kyogre switching in which is just amazing. It can 2HKO pretty much anything as well, with only Cresselia, physically defensive Giratina, WallCeus, Hippowdon, and Gliscor being solid switchins. Though, you must make sure that it's better on your team than on one hand the support set which can help your team out with Stealth Rock and countering ExtremeKiller Arceus, and on the other hand a set with Rock Polish and/or Swords Dance which can threaten a sweep.
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groudon / forretress / giratina-a / ho-oh / chansey / arceus-dark
Just curious, I suppose this goes here since it's about an uber, but anyway: Why is Blaziken an uber? I get that his DW ability essentially gives him the sweeping potential of an uber, but why not just restrict him from OU play only when he runs speed boost like a drizzle pokemon is restricted from play only when another pokemon on your team runs swift swim?
This has been discussed many, many times before. We ban Pokemon, not Pokemon + ability combinations. Firstly, the reason is that a Pokemon is made up of all of its components, and banning certain parts of it to nerf it would just get ridiculous once you think about all the different Pokemon. Can you imagine our tiers to be stuff like "Kyogre can't use Water attacks, Groudon can't use Rock Polish and Swords Dance, Dialga can't use Draco attacks", that list would go on forever. For the sake of simplicity and consistency, we just ban Blaziken outright. The Drizzle + Swift Swim ban is a bit different, because Aldaron's proposal was used to stop more bans from happening at the time (rain gets banned, sand would probably follow, then sun). We're all about minimising the number of bans.
As for Speed Boost Blaziken himself, he was just too good of a sweeper to stay in OU.
As for Speed Boost Blaziken himself, he was just too good of a sweeper to stay in OU.
Just got the event give away darkrai
Is hardy nature viable for a darkrai?
Is hardy nature viable for a darkrai?
The best nature for Darkrai is obviously Timid, which allows it to set up on Calm Mind Ghost Arceus and defeat it with its STAB. With a neutral Speed nature, Darkrai fails to outspeed Arceus and gets smacked by Focus Blast. Outspeeding everything you can is always a nice thing. I don't think Hardy would work, but you can give it a shot.
I'm sorry I didn't mean hardy, I meant hasty. I don't have access to timid Darkrai, but I figured the +Speed, -Defense wouldn't be too bad, since his defenses are already low enough.
Hey, I should probably know this, but I simply don't.
What's the best way to deal with stallbreaker arceus? I keep getting destroyed by it, and on occasion that I do hold out, it takes a nice 2-4 pokemon chunk out of my team. I can usually handle it until it's the last pokemon, by which time phazing is innefective. (obviously)
I'm running a sun stall team, which is currently comprised of:
Physically defensive Groudon (standard moveset)
Specially defensive Forretress (standard moveset)
Chansey (Seismic Toss, otherwise standard)
Subroost Lugia (w/Toxic, 96 speed EVs)
Physically defensive Giratina-A (standard moveset)
Specially defensive Arceus-Water (Recover, Roar, Grass Knot, Fire Blast)
Any help is appreciated.
What's the best way to deal with stallbreaker arceus? I keep getting destroyed by it, and on occasion that I do hold out, it takes a nice 2-4 pokemon chunk out of my team. I can usually handle it until it's the last pokemon, by which time phazing is innefective. (obviously)
I'm running a sun stall team, which is currently comprised of:
Physically defensive Groudon (standard moveset)
Specially defensive Forretress (standard moveset)
Chansey (Seismic Toss, otherwise standard)
Subroost Lugia (w/Toxic, 96 speed EVs)
Physically defensive Giratina-A (standard moveset)
Specially defensive Arceus-Water (Recover, Roar, Grass Knot, Fire Blast)
Any help is appreciated.
What exactly do you mean by stallbreaker Arceus ? Do you mean Dark Arceus or some other variant ? Without knowing the variant its kinda hard to suggest checks to Arceus.
Snatch chansey/bliss is too situational to use and a waste of a moveslot imo. Fightceus is a really underrated mon as it can check those stallbreaker arceus sets and also take on ekiller.
There are several ways to beat Mono-attacking Dark Arceus with stall teams
1) Scarf Terrakion. You can fit it in over Arceus or Lugia depending on who you need more. Usually I will recommend making Giratina Specially Defensive and dropping Arceus for Terrakion. Terrakion/Groudon/Lugia already stomps Extremekiller anyway.
2) Scarf Heracross. Same as Terrakion except you can now OHKO Mewtwo/Darkrai easily in exchange for checking SD Arceus with it. Your team is also pretty weak to Mewtwo, Arceus will just get Psytriked, Giratina and Lugia will be Ice Beamed. Although it won't OHKO either walls, you can only phaze it out once.
3) Steel Arceus. You can use Calm Mind Steel Arceus with Will-O-Wisp or Roar to deal with Dark Arceus. Steel Arceus will win in the end due to the typing advantage or if you use Roar, you will easily triumph. Perish Song is fine if you like to use it.
4) Blaziken. Protect on the switch in and OHKO Arceus Dark next turn or just SD right way and kill it. You can probably drop Arceus-Water or Lugia for this. Gives you a Darkrai or Mewtwo(with a Jolly nature) check. Keep in mind your team is quite weak to Manaphy if Groudon is down.
5) Ferrothorn + Chansey/Blissey. Leech Seed annoys the hell out of Arceus if it lacks Sub. If it has Sub, Toxic Spikes can ruin it. Chansey can just simply Seismic Toss Arceus to death with Leech Seed Support and keep on spamming Toxic as Arceus Recovers, forcing it to use Refresh.
6) There are some other checks such as Ho-Oh(SR out means you die), CM Kyogre(not a reliable check if hazards are down), BU Dialga, Skarmory(can't beat Arceus in the end), Heatran. Oh yeah just saying CB Gyarados beats Arceus one-on-one in the rain. SD Excadrill beats Dark Arceus as well. Tyranitar can eventually beat Arceus with Low Kick.