man oh man i am so sick of you twisting my arguments or just ignoring certain parts so it's more convenient for you
BKC, it seems like you're talking to a brick wall, because your arguments are just not coherent / rational, and I wont pretend to agree with something incoherent / irrational.
lol don't give me that horseshit. i think you're the only one who has actually called the cohesion of my arguments into question, which shows you're really grasping for anything you can get right now.
Match-ups exist everywhere. Even when the opponent does not bring in Rain. And NO, matches are not lost or won solely by presence of Rain / Sun; please don't throw out egregious statement as if they're true.jou still have to play the game to win. Sure a standard Sand team may have an upper edge against a standard Rain team, but that is not equivalent to "instant win / loss."
some examples.
rain team -- politoed/toxicroak/tornadus/keldeo/starmie/ferrothorn
sand team -- hippowdon/forretress/jellicent/celebi/heatran/scarftar
sun team -- ninetales/dugtrio/forretress or xatu/venusaur/latias/trapper heatran
weatherless team -- deoxys-d/gengar/scizor/terrakion/keldeo/latios
rain vs. sand
this IS an instant win for the sand team, right from team preview. rain is NEVER winning this match-up. it's more than a mere "upper edge" for the sand team; the only way the sand user can lose is if he actually TRIES to throw the game away. go ahead and find a way to win for the rain team, unless you want to admit defeat since provided the sand team's user has half a brain, he'll make the simple plays and win by default. if you call that rain team mediocre or bad then i just don't know what to tell you. then again you called tabloo a mediocre team so who knows...
rain vs. weatherless
rain's never losing this, as it has the permanent weather advantage, and starmie completely crushes deogar, so the weatherless team's not going to get a chance to overwhelm with hazards [sr and spikes usually aren't even enough]. tornadus brutally slaughters everything with a hurricane that will never miss, only revenge killing option is scarf keldeo, who's totally walled by toxicroak. the only time weatherless doesn't get completely fuckwrecked by rain is when it bends over backwards countering it, which offensive teams can't afford to do. the best they can do is run kingdra who can't even OHKO keldeo and can't hope to break ferro.
rain vs. sun
yeah...politoed will get trapped by tran or dugtrio and then venusaur/latias have fun. you can't maintain hazard control because forre will shit on ferro all day. if the rain team decided to get cute and run dugtrio over whoever, the game becomes "who can trap the other's weather inducer first" -- an EXCELLENT display of skill.
sun vs. sand
hippo can't be trapped, it sets sr that forre can't spin, meaning you can force sand on them again and again till tales dies and then you win. fun.
sun vs. weatherless
if the sun team has forre it loses, if it has xatu it wins. either way it's an extreme case of matchup, whether beneficial or not doesn't matter.
rain vs. rain
lol
sun vs. sun
lol
sand vs. sand
the better player wins this.
Not to mention a Rain team is a team with Politoed in it - the other 5 Pokemon are not fixed and are dynamic. It's up to the player how much "match-up reliant" there team becomes by how much emphasis they put on Rain dependence.
yes, rain teams have politoed; that is precisely what makes them what they are, and what makes them so match-up reliant. also contrary to popular belief, rain teams are very rigidly built, the only thing differentiating them from one another is usually a single mon or two.
And regarding mirror match-Ups. Since when did outplaying your opponent ever meant a "coin flip" win? It's as if neither player had control over the game, as if the entire game was ruled by chance or hax... completely ridiculous statement. The only increased element of chance are the potentially higher incidence of speed ties, if players even resort to such desperate / risky calls.
it's not ridiculous at all. a rain vs. rain match-up or a sun vs. sun match-up is literally speed ties and other such things...
Not to mention mirror match-ups have always existed since the beginning of Pokemon. Yes, people tend to use standard teams. Removing rain wont make it go away or even lessen it, lol. Haven't you seen goofball's superman mirror match-ups back in ADV? or a game of RBY or GSC??? People would still risk having "mirror" Deo-D teams; Sand teams; Keldeo + TTar teams; DragMag teams, Taylor's weatherless team, or what have you.
i'm not complaining about mirror matches in general. i'm complaining about the mirror matches that are decided on coinflips because they're so hit-or-miss, i.e. rain and sun. remember gene vs goofball in that adv botw? same team but gene played better and he won. the winner of a gsc match almost never wins on a coinflip and absolutely never on team matchup [to my knowledge]. deo-d is also a broken sack of shit but that's a different discussion.
Regarding diversity - It's entirely understandable to say that metagame diversity is reduced by the loss of a major team archetype (aka Drizzle ban), but claiming that rain lowers meta diversity cannot be further from the truth - it's just a claim that is void of any substance, similarly to claims of how presence of Rain / Sun "worsens" team match-ups and mirror matches. What exactly is this "diversity" you speak of, cuz all I see is a meta of Rain / Sun / Sand / Weatherless be reduced to Sun / Sand / Weatherless, which to me is less diversity.
first off; how does drizzle make the meta diverse? the teams are literally all the same with a mon change here and there. also remember the diversity of dpp? a sand/weatherless metagame has its own diversity that it can't use to its full extent because of drizzle. you can't categorise all weatherless teams as the same. if you say dpp teams are all the same as a rebuttal then you clearly don't know the tier.
also diversity is not an argument to keep something that clearly puts less emphasis on player skill in the metagame. i'm just trying to show you that it's not all going to be the same without drizzle, which you seem so worried about even though it's not even a valid argument.
I can't believe I need to explain all this tbh -.-
i don't care who you are, don't fucking condescend to me like that.