Red card plus endure? I'm sure there might be something that can run that along with other attacks and still doesn't become deadweight, I.e. something with unburden or acrobatics.Also, iirc Red Card doesn't work if you get OHKOed.
Oh and why did you use normal Scizor in your calcs? Mega Scizor always avoids the OHKO from +2 Modest Focus Blaast after SR with the spread you mentioned, and can then setup with SD and OHKO back with Bullet Punch.
I'd rather not get in this discussion about moody (which is heavily luck based) but it's safe to say we won't be banning any Pokemon anytime soon.There are things that can be too broken even by ubers standards, such as Moody in Gen 5.
Red Card Forretress is pretty good and can take a Moonblast.Red card plus endure? I'm sure there might be something that can run that along with other attacks and still doesn't become deadweight, I.e. something with unburden or acrobatics.
Moody... was a special case. It was a luck based ability, and with reasonable luck you could have +6 evasion, obviously a negative thing to have in a competitive battle. Even then, in Ubers the pokemon held it back (Bidoof wasn't going to sweep there like it could in OU), until you had Moody Protect/Substitute/Stored Power/Baton Pass Smeargle to break the game.There are things that can be too broken even by ubers standards, such as Moody in Gen 5.
Scizor can't use Assault Vest effectively. On defensive sets it wants Roost and Swords Dance and all out attacking sets prefer Choice Band.Red card plus endure? I'm sure there might be something that can run that along with other attacks and still doesn't become deadweight, I.e. something with unburden or acrobatics.
I used normal scizor because I was under the impression that it was bulkier with assault vest.
Don't bother with physical moves, Psyshock at +2 serves you just fine against everything you're struggling with your special moves. Psyshock at +2 from a modest, 252 SAtk Xerneas does about the same (59% - 70%) damage as a Close Combat from the same set. You won't net the OHKO without significant investment in Atk- and another nature, which leaves you vulnerable on your defensive side; additionally, you'll lose coverage with CC since it won't do the damage a Focus Blast does against Scizor, Ferrothorn, etc.Ok, thanks! I guess I'll be training my Modest Ralts instead :) Special is the way to go though? He has some good physical attacks but I don't know and I'm pretty unexperienced in competitive.
EDIT: Should I give him some speed EVs or just HP/SPATK?
aegisblade resists/immune to all three moves while being able to ko it with the iron head + sneak combination......... As for your other question, xerneas has 3 31 IV's and the others varying though thanks to that it screws up synchronizers.The best set in terms of coverage is:
Xerneas @ Power Herb
EVs; explained above
- Moonblast
- Focus Blast
- Psyshock
- Geomancy
On a side note, does anyone know if the Xerneas you face after you defeated the first has the same IVs all the time - or am I able to reset this one and skip the sequence?
Thanks, helped alot. Don't know if I'm going with option 1 or 2 yet though.Don't bother with physical moves, Psyshock at +2 serves you just fine against everything you're struggling with your special moves. Psyshock at +2 from a modest, 252 SAtk Xerneas does about the same (59% - 70%) damage as a Close Combat from the same set. You won't net the OHKO without significant investment in Atk- and another nature, which leaves you vulnerable on your defensive side; additionally, you'll lose coverage with CC since it won't do the damage a Focus Blast does against Scizor, Ferrothorn, etc.
... and regarding your EVs, there are two splits I'd call practical:
.) 148 HP/ 252 SAtk/ 108 Speed ... this reaches a speed stat 261 and at +2, it outspeeds standard Excadrill (neutral natures, 192 speed) at +2 and everything below (including jolly 252 scarf Terrakion, e.g.)
.) 88 HP / 252 SAtk / 168 Speed ... this reaches a speed stat of 276 and at +2, it outspeeds neutral natured Excadrill at +2 and everything below
The nature used on this splits is modest, so really don't bother with timid, it's not worth the power loss. I could see myself going for a bold one sometimes, but that's something that has to be tested, so - go for modest!
The best set in terms of coverage is:
Xerneas @ Power Herb
EVs; explained above
- Moonblast
- Focus Blast
- Psyshock
- Geomancy
On a side note, does anyone know if the Xerneas you face after you defeated the first has the same IVs all the time - or am I able to reset this one and skip the sequence?
Aye, you're right. Completely forgot to take the new threat into calculation, haha. So, Thunderbolt over Psyshock? Still dealing with Ho-Oh while keeping the momentum against Aegislash - it does 74% - 87% damage, that's about as high as it gets.aegisblade resists/immune to all three moves while being able to ko it with the iron head + sneak combination......... As for your other question, xerneas has 3 31 IV's and the others varying though thanks to that it screws up synchronizers.
148 HP give a 9% defensive (both side) boost..) 148 HP/ 252 SAtk/ 108 Speed ... this reaches a speed stat 261 and at +2, it outspeeds standard Excadrill (neutral natures, 192 speed) at +2 and everything below (including jolly 252 scarf Terrakion, e.g.)
.) 88 HP / 252 SAtk / 168 Speed ... this reaches a speed stat of 276 and at +2, it outspeeds neutral natured Excadrill at +2 and everything below
I think I mentioned before that resisted Moonblast (95 x 1.5 x 1.3)/2 = 92.625 BP hits harder than neutral T-bolt (90 BP), bar Ho-Oh and Heatran, but Psyshock/Focus Blast hit those harder than Thunderbolt and Aegislash always 2HKO Xerneas at full health with Iron Head + Shadow Sneak regardless and Xerneas cannot OHKO back in response.Aye, you're right. Completely forgot to take the new threat into calculation, haha. So, Thunderbolt over Psyshock? Still dealing with Ho-Oh while keeping the momentum against Aegislash - it does 74% - 87% damage, that's about as high as it gets.
To the reset-thing, thanks! But the thing I want to know is: You defeat the first Xerneas, then it's standing in front of you and wants to help you. It's the second time you fight it, but is it the same Xerneas you defeated before, or are the IVs created a second time on a different value? If so, that would speed up my resetting time by about 2 minutes each.
A +0 252+ Moonblast still hits for 44.16 - 52.03%, so it can't sustain itself.Specially defensive Unaware Clefable seems to be the overall best counter.
It's a fairy type now, meaning even if Xerneas runs the mixed set its two best physical attacks (Megahorna nd Close Combat) are NVE against it.
Clefable can then proceed to Toxic Xerneas and keep recovering till it's forced out, effectively neutering it.
Should HP IVs be changed to Def IVs? :)148 HP give a 9% defensive (both side) boost.
148 Def give a 16% physical defensive boost.
With all Xerneas counters being physical attackers and physical priority users (thanks to Geomancy SDef boost), I think we should consider giving it some defense EVs.
((((42) * 394 * 1,5 * 60 / 268) / 50) + 2) * 1,5 * 2 * (85 to 100) / 100 = 288,52 to 339,43 HP (73,41% to 86,37%)252+ CB Scizor can OHKO 0/148 Xerneas with BP
You can reset the 2nd encounter, I'm doing this atm, posted the way I tested it into the q&a thread.Are his stats set at your first encounter, or can you just KO him and keep resetting the "oldschool" encounter without cutscenes?
+2 252+ SpA Xerneas Psyshock vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Ho-Oh: 211-249 (50.84 - 60%). So Ho-Oh has a realistical chance to survive even after SR, assuming it comes in as Xerneas sets up, thanks to Leftovers recovery. Ho-Oh could always use some Def EVs to guarantee it survives the hit. And stop dismissing Thunderbolt as an option against Aegislash just because it can't straight up OHKO it, there is a strategy called wearing down your checks and you only need ~15% previous damage to get past it anyway.I think I mentioned before that resisted Moonblast (95 x 1.5 x 1.3)/2 = 92.625 BP hits harder than neutral T-bolt (90 BP), bar Ho-Oh and Heatran, but Psyshock/Focus Blast hit those harder than Thunderbolt and Aegislash always 2HKO Xerneas at full health with Iron Head + Shadow Sneak regardless and Xerneas cannot OHKO back in response.
A +0 252+ Moonblast still hits for 44.16 - 52.03%, so it can't sustain itself.