Mega Audino isn't UU tho; so either C or unrankedEffort post b/c I am bored @ work
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Mega Audino isn't UU tho; so either C or unrankedEffort post b/c I am bored @ work
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My dude I commend you for reading my war and peace length post there and catching the technical error in it lolMega Audino isn't UU tho; so either C or unranked
Pinsir is bound to either drop or go back to OU depending on if people decide to use that again or not.I demand Justice all mons from those gens need to be moving or wearing a sombrero or at least
also to make this post less useless few changes that can be discussed
Doublade to B+: Worth a disscussion while its "claim to fame" this meta is checking Terrakion,Flying types like Crobat,Mega Aero are more a lot more common and will probably get even more common if terra leaves he is one of the best checks to flying types in the tier that don't need a mega since the only flying types he loses to is Mega Pidgeot due to heat wave and Maybe Fletch with a Burn although the fact its speciall bulk is soo terrible it can lose 1v1 even to mons who only have resisted moves vrs it.heck even myself is not 100% sold on this move.
I know this is like the most pointless thing ever but don't we techincally have to have Pinsir in D since all the "bad" UU mons need to be there if they are on the tier due to the VR Policy?
Naw, I went to the 4th generation dex on Serebii and all the sprites were moving there lolIt's to show the Pokemon who moved in the update.
At least I think.
nah, poor attack, mediocre HP (especially being knock off bait), and poor speed make this little guy not on par with the other A/A+show is gligar still a- rank? it is nice on balance and defensive teams, and it checks some of the threats that came down. also with recovery, hazards, hazard removal and momentum, it really can do a good job. nominating gligar for a/a+ rank
The problem with those checks you listed is that most of them die or are hit extremely hard by Serp at +2, and Serp outspeeds them all except Crobat, Beedrill, and Scarf Hydreigon. Nobody in their right mind would bring Serp in vs MAggron, Entei, Yanmega etc. Like you said, it has plenty of things it forces switches on like bulky waters (Suicune, for example), and while many things can take a neutral Leaf Storm on the switch, most of its checks then get outsped and hit really hard by one of its coverage moves. Unfortunately I can't give calcs so maybe I'm wrong, but I'm sure Aggron, Roserade, Yanmega, Heracross, and Shaymin wouldn't want to take a +2 HP Fire, Hydreigon gets hit by D Pulse, and even things like Entei can be crippled by a boosted D Pulse after Rocks. I do agree that Crobat and Beedrill shit all over it, though.On the other hand I guess this isn't as big an issue since nearly every team carries a bulky Water-type which Serperior "sets up" on for free, it's still got a hefty number of checks, and unlike the other S Rank Pokemon, which can pick and choose whether some Pokemon even check them, Serperior doesn't have as much liberty to do so with its options, (unless you insist on using King UU's bulky Serperior or his Scarf set...) and is fairly one-dimensional. It's really good at cleaning and its offensive presence is nothing to take lightly, but in a tier where you got stuff like Mega Aggron, Crobat, Yanmega, Entei, Heracross, Hydreigon, Mega Beedrill, so on and so forth, all of which are respectable Serperior checks, in A+ rank and below, I see no reason why Serperior should be above them.
TL;DR: Serperior for A+; it's still a very good Pokemon but it's held back by its lack of versatility, which lends to it being more predictable and easier to check than the other S Rank Pokemon.
Suicine is not one dimensial at all. Offensive calm mind and Life orb + tailwind that take advantage of suicines coverage (ice beam, extrasensory) have been used to great effect in tournaments although crocune is the most common set.The problem with those checks you listed is that most of them die or are hit extremely hard by Serp at +2, and Serp outspeeds them all except Crobat, Beedrill, and Scarf Hydreigon. Nobody in their right mind would bring Serp in vs MAggron, Entei, Yanmega etc. Like you said, it has plenty of things it forces switches on like bulky waters (Suicune, for example), and while many things can take a neutral Leaf Storm on the switch, most of its checks then get outsped and hit really hard by one of its coverage moves. Unfortunately I can't give calcs so maybe I'm wrong, but I'm sure Aggron, Roserade, Yanmega, Heracross, and Shaymin wouldn't want to take a +2 HP Fire, Hydreigon gets hit by D Pulse, and even things like Entei can be crippled by a boosted D Pulse after Rocks. I do agree that Crobat and Beedrill shit all over it, though.
Plus, I would argue that Suicune is even more one dimensional. Pretty much every Suicune is CroCune, so you already know an opponent's Pokemon's set if you see they have Suicune. Its completely walled also by Vaporeon, Heliolisk and Toxicroak, and it has much more safe switch ins like Roserade, Mega Amph, Shaymin, and even Serp. If that stays S, Serp should too
i disagree. serperior can run defensive if it wants, offensive, and it has nice coverage. and switching out is possible. i used a defensive serperior set with leaf storm/sub/glare/synthesis, and it can just get behind a sub and leaf storm away. yes it has some checks/counters, but the rest of the team can help it get past those. if it was a+, it would be probably the best a+. its probs the worst s but it kinda deserves s. ill put a replay later.So while the now-dwarfed Shaymin sits in A- rank, what is it about Serperior that puts it in S Rank? Not gonna throw a controversial Shaymin Vs. Serperior debate in your face because it's rather pointless, but I am gonna controversially nominate Serperior for A+ rather than S. While yes, it does outspeed all the other S Rank mons barring Mega Aerodactyl and OHKO 2 of them without a boost (and OHKOes Mence with +2 Dragon Pulse), I kinda feel that as great as it is, it's still one-dimensional as a mon overall, even when factoring the useful moves such as Substitute, Glare, Leech Seed, Taunt, and anything else I missed (mostly those ones). The definition for the category even says: These Pokemon are usually able to perform a variety of roles effectively, or can just do one extremely well. Their use has low risk involved and almost always brings a high reward. Pokemon in this rank have very few flaws that are more than made up for by numerous positive traits.
All the mons up here, aside from just being able to sweep or check a significant portion of the meta, have the common trait of versatility; they all are capable of running a fair number of movesets, or at least interchange between several different moves within a set to accomplish different goals, meaning the opponent has to do some guesswork on what set you're using with these mons before trying to deal with it. Serperior kinda lacks that, due to a bare-bones movepool to really abuse with its Contrary set, relying only on Dragon Pulse, Hidden Power, and I guess Giga Drain if you're into that, if not one of its support moves, namely Glare, to work with.
...If this is the part where you're internally saying to yourself, "Did he not see the 'or can just do one extremely well' part then screw you because I wasn't done yet :\ While Serperior is really excellent at getting the ball rolling, and it just gets by having the moves it needs to get whatever kills it can once it gets a Leaf Storm or two off, it still is forced to use that first Leaf Storm before it can really do anything, and in most cases if Serperior ends up being pitted against a Pokemon that it relies on Dragon Pulse/Hidden Power to deal any kind of decent damage to (basically every single Grass resist in the tier, which we have a lot of btw), then it's going to have to switch out or end up doing pittance to said Pokemon until it gets a safe opportunity to use Leaf Storm.
On the other hand I guess this isn't as big an issue since nearly every team carries a bulky Water-type which Serperior "sets up" on for free, it's still got a hefty number of checks, and unlike the other S Rank Pokemon, which can pick and choose whether some Pokemon even check them, Serperior doesn't have as much liberty to do so with its options, (unless you insist on using King UU's bulky Serperior or his Scarf set...) and is fairly one-dimensional. It's really good at cleaning and its offensive presence is nothing to take lightly, but in a tier where you got stuff like Mega Aggron, Crobat, Yanmega, Entei, Heracross, Hydreigon, Mega Beedrill, so on and so forth, all of which are respectable Serperior checks, in A+ rank and below, I see no reason why Serperior should be above them.
TL;DR: Serperior for A+; it's still a very good Pokemon but it's held back by its lack of versatility, which lends to it being more predictable and easier to check than the other S Rank Pokemon.
I disagree with having glare. Put in dragon pulse and you won't have pokemon like Goodra force a switch out.i disagree. serperior can run defensive if it wants, offensive, and it has nice coverage. and switching out is possible. i used a defensive serperior set with leaf storm/sub/glare/synthesis, and it can just get behind a sub and leaf storm away. yes it has some checks/counters, but the rest of the team can help it get past those. if it was a+, it would be probably the best a+. its probs the worst s but it kinda deserves s. ill put a replay later.
Glare is really important for crippling choice scarf users and naturally faster pokemon, particularly Crobat.I disagree with having glare. Put in dragon pulse and you won't have pokemon like Goodra force a switch out.
Uhh if its sapp sipper Goodra forces you out regardelessI disagree with having glare. Put in dragon pulse and you won't have pokemon like Goodra force a switch out.
not even a need for that anymore; serp and terra were just banned lolcan we honestly petition for terrakion to have his own rank or something, that shit is gay
serp is interesting as an s tier given that its the most predictable thing ever to exist, but honestly the raw power that it provides (not even unaware can stop it) is something that is greatly appreciated by anything. the ability to check bulky waters (which are on 99% of uu teams anyway so it's pretty much going to be great most of the time) is an asset to most teams
dont really see how its broken though, with crobat, megabee and megadactyl everyfuckingwhere, so offensive sets dont really get to sweep very easily. i guess the most people need to watch out for is glare, but it's not really too hard getting bat in with some slow u-turns.
Naw, Serperior is considered BL until deemed UU by vote so I removed it as well.I'd remove Terrakion, but as Serperior is getting a public test, we can probably stick it in limbo or something for the time being. It might come back.