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Lady Alex · Nov 8th, 2012, 2:19:15 PM

I only saw 2 Kyurem-B while using my stall team, and they were both really difficult to deal with. The first was just an all-out attacker set using Life orb on a mag/drag team. It cleanly 2hko's Skarmory with fusion bolt and nothing else on my team could take an outrage. The other one I fought was a sub dragon tail set. I was only able to deal with it because I forced it out with a perish song and was able to set up t-spikes, eventually whittling its hp down.

I guess I'll move my discussion questions here so people are more likely to see them.

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- What are the roles of Pokemon that were essential to your stall team's success? (Have gotten rid of Vaporeon for Politoed).

Politoed- Rain inducer. Politoed ensures that I don't get wrecked by opposing sun teams. It also allows Tentacruel to become very difficult to wear down in the rain.

Chansey- Special Wall/Stealth Rocks/Cleric. Pink blob. Walls special threats and can deal with weak physical attackers as well. I use heal bell on it to get rid of burns on Tentacruel and Politoed. I forewent Toxic since Dusclops is able to deal with Latias at least until I can toxic it (assuming the sub cm set, otherwise it's even easier), at which point either Chansey or Quagsire can finish it off.

Tentacruel- Spinner/Toxic Spikes. Tentacruel is one of the most important pokemon on my team, keeping hazards off the field. It's especially useful against Sand teams, which often don't carry a grounded poison type.

Skarmory- Spikes/Phazer/Physical wall. Honestly, Skarmory is the best of a bad situation. With the introduction of Kyurem-B, Skarmory has even more trouble walling physical threats. It's 2hko'd by max attack variants, regardless of whether or not it's even running CB. It loses to most Terrakion variants, only beating Scarf. Playing against drag mag teams becomes a series of 50/50 predictions that are much worse for me than my opponent.

Quagsire- Set up counter. I like Quagsire. It deals well with dragon dancers (notably salamence and gyarados, who skarmory can struggle with) and calm mind jirachi, who can be a bitch for stall to fight. It's role is kinda niche, but it fulfills it well.

Dusclops- Spinblocker. Probably the only reason I decided to even participate in the project. Being able to keep hazards on the field is even more important now for stall than it used to be. In the past, rain stall could get away with not running a spin blocker because it often had more opportunities to set up and harass the opponent, but that isn't the case anymore. Dusclops is able to spinblock both starmie and tentacruel. Hydro pump from Starmie fails to 2hko in the rain, and it runs out of pp after 4 uses due to pressure. Tentacruel can do nothing at all to it.

- What was the most useful Pokemon in your team and why? You can also talk about defensive cores here.

Dusclops easily. against teams that didn't have a grounded poison type, being able to ge and keept toxic spikes on the field was frequently what determined whether or not I could win the match.

- What were the biggest threats to your stall team, and how you dealt with them? Sableye on other weather teams was hell to face. If I couldn't poison it, I often lost. Fortunately it isn't very common. I didn't face any, but baton pass teams would be difficult to play around unless they were retarded and let their Mr. Mime die. I'm guessing a well-played Roserade/Jellicent core would be hard to play against, but I didn't see any.

- Did you find it easy or difficult to build a successful stall team?
It's a completely standard rain team aside from dusclops, which I decided to use after seeing someone else use it.

- How did you reach the Hall of Fame? Was it easy or difficult? Did having a stall team benefit you? What advice would you give to those laddering with stall teams?

It was easy. Most of the people on the ladder are bad. I'm 35-7 with the team, and 4 of those losses were from unfortunate crits. I wouldn't say it benefited me. It's a good team, but I feel like I just have to work harder to achieve what a Deoxys-D offense teams achieves with very little effort. As much as I hate to say it, I would say don't even bother. I've always loved stall, but there's really no reason to run it over offensive teams anymore. As I and a few others have demonstrated, succeeding with stall is doable, but why put more work into winning than you have to?

@Magma- That looks like a really cool semi-stall team. It would be nice to see you have success with it.

Nov 8th, 2012, 2:19:15 PM	#223
Lady Alex So, I dashed all over the mansion, and I re-killed them; they were pretty alive when I found them Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 418 Stuck between a Stealth Rock and a hard place	I only saw 2 Kyurem-B while using my stall team, and they were both really difficult to deal with. The first was just an all-out attacker set using Life orb on a mag/drag team. It cleanly 2hko's Skarmory with fusion bolt and nothing else on my team could take an outrage. The other one I fought was a sub dragon tail set. I was only able to deal with it because I forced it out with a perish song and was able to set up t-spikes, eventually whittling its hp down. I guess I'll move my discussion questions here so people are more likely to see them. ... - What are the roles of Pokemon that were essential to your stall team's success? (Have gotten rid of Vaporeon for Politoed). Politoed- Rain inducer. Politoed ensures that I don't get wrecked by opposing sun teams. It also allows Tentacruel to become very difficult to wear down in the rain. Chansey- Special Wall/Stealth Rocks/Cleric. Pink blob. Walls special threats and can deal with weak physical attackers as well. I use heal bell on it to get rid of burns on Tentacruel and Politoed. I forewent Toxic since Dusclops is able to deal with Latias at least until I can toxic it (assuming the sub cm set, otherwise it's even easier), at which point either Chansey or Quagsire can finish it off. Tentacruel- Spinner/Toxic Spikes. Tentacruel is one of the most important pokemon on my team, keeping hazards off the field. It's especially useful against Sand teams, which often don't carry a grounded poison type. Skarmory- Spikes/Phazer/Physical wall. Honestly, Skarmory is the best of a bad situation. With the introduction of Kyurem-B, Skarmory has even more trouble walling physical threats. It's 2hko'd by max attack variants, regardless of whether or not it's even running CB. It loses to most Terrakion variants, only beating Scarf. Playing against drag mag teams becomes a series of 50/50 predictions that are much worse for me than my opponent. Quagsire- Set up counter. I like Quagsire. It deals well with dragon dancers (notably salamence and gyarados, who skarmory can struggle with) and calm mind jirachi, who can be a bitch for stall to fight. It's role is kinda niche, but it fulfills it well. Dusclops- Spinblocker. Probably the only reason I decided to even participate in the project. Being able to keep hazards on the field is even more important now for stall than it used to be. In the past, rain stall could get away with not running a spin blocker because it often had more opportunities to set up and harass the opponent, but that isn't the case anymore. Dusclops is able to spinblock both starmie and tentacruel. Hydro pump from Starmie fails to 2hko in the rain, and it runs out of pp after 4 uses due to pressure. Tentacruel can do nothing at all to it. - What was the most useful Pokemon in your team and why? You can also talk about defensive cores here. Dusclops easily. against teams that didn't have a grounded poison type, being able to ge and keept toxic spikes on the field was frequently what determined whether or not I could win the match. - What were the biggest threats to your stall team, and how you dealt with them? Sableye on other weather teams was hell to face. If I couldn't poison it, I often lost. Fortunately it isn't very common. I didn't face any, but baton pass teams would be difficult to play around unless they were retarded and let their Mr. Mime die. I'm guessing a well-played Roserade/Jellicent core would be hard to play against, but I didn't see any. - Did you find it easy or difficult to build a successful stall team? It's a completely standard rain team aside from dusclops, which I decided to use after seeing someone else use it. - How did you reach the Hall of Fame? Was it easy or difficult? Did having a stall team benefit you? What advice would you give to those laddering with stall teams? It was easy. Most of the people on the ladder are bad. I'm 35-7 with the team, and 4 of those losses were from unfortunate crits. I wouldn't say it benefited me. It's a good team, but I feel like I just have to work harder to achieve what a Deoxys-D offense teams achieves with very little effort. As much as I hate to say it, I would say don't even bother. I've always loved stall, but there's really no reason to run it over offensive teams anymore. As I and a few others have demonstrated, succeeding with stall is doable, but why put more work into winning than you have to? @Magma- That looks like a really cool semi-stall team. It would be nice to see you have success with it. __________________ Last edited by Lady Alex; Nov 8th, 2012 at 2:30:05 PM.