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Other 6th Gen Pokemon OU Candidate Speculation Thread
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Check the Clawitzer thread.
Serebii that was the one that got it wrong in the first place also fixed it already.
we're still rapid spinning for a revenge killer, this is the biggest flaw i have
fire/flying has pretty redundant coverage (hence why volcarona almost always runs either fire blast or hurricane depending on the team), it's frail as shit and it's attack isn't very high, it's not a set-up sweeper, something that is worthwhile to spin SR away, it's a revenge killer, something that usually shouldn't care about hazards being in
Except it's a GOOD revenge killer, and can be used over and over again. You need Rapid Spin for that.
I would doubt it. Parting Shot is good, but not good enough to compensate for a sub-par defensive typing and otherwise craptastic offensive options. Pangoro's a one trick pony, and with the kind of speed it sports, it's not even good at that one trick.
Nobody else has mentioned him yet, but I'm actually pretty confident on Hawlucha making OU. I initially figured he'd be BL or UU, but baton Pass was exactly what he needed to function - has exactly the right kind of powerful STAB to deal with popular phazers, just enough attack to make it risky for priority users to switch in even when he hasn't boosted his stats, and has enough speed to be able to get off BPs against a great many things that would stop him cold otherwise.
i don't see a reason to use him over scizor for revenge killing, who needs way less support and can get rid of things that usually need to be revenge killed, like dragons and ttar, on top of being bulky
Because Scizor can't beat some things (aegislash anyone?) while Talonflame can.
Stronger priority, perhaps? A STAB Brave Bird or an Acrobatics [god forbid it's Flying Gem boosted] will wreck lives, and Scizor isn't stopping [mega]Blaziken anytime soon, unlike Talonflame.
talonflame isn't doing a good job at stopping blaziken either, it can't switch in all that well, especially with SR out, it can only revenge kill (i've done calcs....blaziken is god damn stupid again)
i don't think talonflame can beat aegislash that reliably either, aegislash is a good spin blocker and i'm fairly certain it's shadow sneak will OHKO talonflame after SR damage, so there's that
i don't think talonflame can beat aegislash that reliably either, aegislash is a good spin blocker and i'm fairly certain it's shadow sneak will OHKO talonflame after SR damage, so there's that
>talking about SR
>saying Rapid Spin support is useless with Talonflame
Uh, your argument has a few flaws here.
Also, yes, he can only revenge kill... but then, half the time that's all a Scizor will do. The two have entirely different things they can kill. Think of Talonflame like a Dugtrio with more power, more priority, and no Arena Trap.
dugtrio, scizor, rotom-W, breloom, mamoswine, and magnezone (the premier revenge killers) take no more than 12.5% from SR
talonflame takes 50%
it's not that RS support is useless with talonflame, but you must use RS to support something whose only job is to revenge kill, which is problematic
you need to support a support pokemon just for it to be able to do it's job more than once or twice
talonflame takes 50%
it's not that RS support is useless with talonflame, but you must use RS to support something whose only job is to revenge kill, which is problematic
you need to support a support pokemon just for it to be able to do it's job more than once or twice
I was going to say Greninja but then I double-checked and learned that he doesn't get RS after all. Which is unfortunate, because in that case, Greninja also gets priority Brave Bird to cover his Fighting weakness.
I don't think SR is irrelevant (Charizard and Moltres owe some degree of their lower tier status to that, right?) but I think that Spinners will be better in OU going forward because of hyper offense not being quite as good. From what I've read, bulky and balanced teams will probably be better, what with Fairy making all things equal.
edit: Oh, did I read the debate wrong?
I feel like Malamar will almost definitely make it to OU, just because of the fact it screws with everything thanks to Contrary, and it'll be even better if Sticky Web makes it big, which I think has been mentioned. The only thing really holding it back is how predictable it'll be. It has a shallow movepool (That we know of, anyway) as it is, and you'll have to run Superpower on it to get it's Attack to a decent level.
Other than that, it has a few nice moves to just mess with the opponent, like Topsy-Turvy, which has a lot of potential.
Other than that, it has a few nice moves to just mess with the opponent, like Topsy-Turvy, which has a lot of potential.
Saying Klefki becoming OU is sort of a stretch considering how easy it is to overpower to set up on it. You are right, however, on it having a niche, and it can at least use Imprison to stop Skarmory and Ferrothorn from setting up alongside it.
This is also stretch, seeing as Malamar only has so many uses and moves to use, and not to mention its low Speed (of which Sticky Web is irrelevant because +1 uninvested Malamar barely outruns anything relevant) and special defense make it easy to take advantage of. It also finds very, very little opportunities to do its job thanks to its vulnerability to powerful attacks, limiting the use of Topsy-turvy. If anything, the concept is great! It's just that Malamar itself is given a little too much credit where it's due.
I think TalonFlame will be BL; While base 81 Atk doesn't seem like much, slap on a Band and adamant nature and it is ready to tear apart anything that doesn't resist it's STAB Priority* Brave Bird.
Also Klefki seems like a very viable lead with priority Spikes
Also Klefki seems like a very viable lead with priority Spikes
Just in case anyone wasn't sure exactly how powerful adaptability Draco Meteor is, Dragalge is hitting 9.2% harder than Latios. That's enough to hit every single Pokemon with a BW2UU analysis for at least 50% except defensive Escavalier, who takes 49% maximum. Throw a couple of layer into the equation and you have a Pokemon that scores a 2HKO on every wall in the tier. Only things that are faster and can heal up right away are going to be able to deal with it. Its seriously just ludicrous power.
Problem is, it's going to be extremely difficult for Dragalge to get any sort of attack off at all, let alone two. Its Special Defence is pretty good, but thanks to the combination of a weakness to Earthquake, less than great physical Defence, low HP and terrible speed, I don't really see it getting anywhere near OU anytime soon, as much as I'd like it to (I mean seriously, Dragalge is too cool for its own good).
There's also a new type introduced. It was kind of arguably the biggest changes to competitive Pokemon this Gen. Not sure if you've heard of it before.
His set in question also has Sludge Bomb, and Dragalge takes neutral from Fairy-type moves, but aside from that...yeah, I don't think Dragalge isn't making the top pancake at this time. It's just really grating when you have all that power and you can't outrun things like Registeel or Tyranitar naturally.
And the fact that it still can't get past a lot of steel-types. (for example, Aegislash and Mega-Mawile)
Come to think of it, was Adaptability even confirmed for Dragalge? I still get nothing about it when I search for it...
All of those 2HKOs are factoring in the special attack drop or using other moves. You are free to run the calcs yourself, it's pretty impressive how strong this thing is.
It's probably not an OU candiate, but it does have seven resistances, all of them good ones, and a good deal of special bulk - 252 SAtk Rotom-W HP Ice only have a 2% chance to 3HKO it, for example. Something like HP Grass Zapdos is completely incapable of even scratching it.
I should have clarified this is probably BL at highest, but it is seriously a monster. There is one fairy in the game that isn't wrecked by Sludge Bomb and it can be 2HKOd by Focus miss.
I don't see Avalugg as a possible OU candidate because of its extremely weak Sp. D. It's low speed means that anything special can just poke it to death. Sturdy may give it a chance, but even then its attack isn't super amazing.
Also it's ice type and some of the best and most common physical attacks will still wreck it.
Also it's ice type and some of the best and most common physical attacks will still wreck it.
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