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B&W Research Thread

Discussion in 'BW Competitive Discussion' started by ╬ęDonut, Sep 21, 2010.

  1. UltiMario

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    Yes, Confuse Ray failed against my Miracle Skin Shinpora.

    In other more minor news, if you skill swap with team mates in Double/Triple battles, the opponent is not told what abities have been swapped, the graphical effect never appears.
  2. breh

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    @Ultimario: is the ability message shown in normal battles? Also what happens if a pokemon recieves an announcing ability (Mold Breaker, Forewarn, etc.)?

    reasking an old question: what occurs if healing beam's target is KOed in a multi battle? Namely, can it be redirected if:

    The teammate pokemon (assume doubles) double KOes the others (Heat Wave Ulgamoth OHKOes 2 level 1 Paras) and the healing beam was targeted on one of the Paras

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    if the teammate of the healing beam user is KOed and the teammate was targeted?
  3. UltiMario

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    Yes, Skill Swap announces abilities traded in one-on-one matches. If you trade abilities that Announce like Pressure, for instance, when I Skill Swapped my Rankurusu and Absol, Pressure was re-announced on Rankurusu after the trade was complete.
  4. Rykard

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    Should using fake out with the normal elemental gem activate unburden since the item is technically consumed? For some reason this doesn't work on pokemon online and i have no explanation as to why that is the case other than it may not have been programmed to do so with those items or the usage of the Gem doesn't actually affect this ability for some odd reason. I figured if someone tested it in-game there could be a more conclusive answer on this cause i'm really curious
  5. breh

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    Are you sure it doesn't work on PO? I've seen a few Hitmonlees use Normal Gem Fake Out in logs; if they're using it I presume it works.

    And yes it does activate unburden (why shouldn't it?)
  6. Rykard

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    it never seemed to work for me cause i ran a hitmonlee just like that and it didn't happen. I guess i'll try again

    Edit: it did. i screwed something up before i guess
  7. breh

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    can I ask a stupid (and likely answered) question?

    what happens when a pokemon with Teravoltage/Turboblaze/Mold Breaker uses Toxic on a Pokemon with immunity? Same goes for using SR (and other entry hazards I guess) on Magic Mirror Pokemon?

    Basically does Mold Breaker affect non-attacking moves?
  8. Benlisted

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    This is an exceptionally old quote, but Harvest still has the percentage chance for immediate and subsequent regenerations unknown, as far as I can tell. I've heard from people with the game that the percentage seems to be 100% for instant regen in Sun, and is imperfect otherwise, however, so could this be tested too?
  9. Human

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    This might be easiest to test with Zuruzukin. If you KO a pokemon with Mummy while you still have Overconfidence will you get the +1 Attack boost or not?
  10. Zebstrika

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    Mold Breaker only affects abilities. Toxic will only work on whatever it would work on without Mold Breaker (except Magic Mirror, maybe).
  11. iDunno

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    Speaking of Mold Breaker, does it also negate Magic Mirror? (I.E. Pinsir using Stealth Rock on Xatu)
  12. Shining Kestral

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    I think they were talking about the ability Immunity. In other words, can you use Toxic on an Immunity Zangoose.
  13. YAYtears

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    EDIT Fail I meant to post it in the simple ? simple answer thread
  14. Zebstrika

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    Oh, right, I was trying to think of an ability that granted an immunity to all poison attacks, and Wonder Guard doesn't guard against stuff like Toxic.
  15. Focus

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    Another thing: does Micle Berry affect OHKO moves? Bulbapedia says no but Smogon's page says yes.
  16. Zebstrika

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    Does Mold Breaker bypass Telepathy?
    If it allows non-damaging moves to bypass certain abilities, does it ignore Perversity?
  17. Chieliee

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    mien and I have decided that it needs some more testing, since all the time I've tested it were correct, and CPU could have made a mistake. Anyone wants to test this one?
  18. CPU

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    I've been told that there are two experience formulas in Black and White; I've only compared one of my results with what the formula says it should give (Level 1 Dageki vs. Level 2 Minezumi). Perhaps I'm doing something wrong with the formula, but I always get 27 or 28 experience from it, while the game is clearly giving me 25.

    I'd be willing to do more tests, though.
  19. KokoaKiwi

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    You dont. Seriously this was frustrating as fuck in the pokemon league since Shikimi leads with Desukan. Crunch copied mummy into my croco, and after OHKOing, I wouldnt get an attack boost.
  20. KokoaKiwi

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    How would it ignore perversity? You can't have 2 abilities in one poke.
    Also, mold breaker "breaks" immunities granted by abilities (you can hit levitators with EQ, thunder wave against magic mirror, fire blast hits heatran for neutral damage, etc). There's nothing mold breaker ignores about perversity. However, if you explain what you meant Ill be glad to test it in-game.
  21. Zebstrika

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    Assume it ignores the opponent's perversity, so if a Mold Breaker pokemon uses Metal Sound the opponent gets -2 SpD, for example. Mold Breaker seems to ignore abilities that affect moves in many ways(so in addition to ignoring stuff like levitate, magic mirror and flash fire it ignores thick fat which only reduces damage, Sturdy, Flower Gift's SpD and attack boosts and even Dry Skin adding a small weakness to fire), and perversity makes stat changing moves change stats in a different way.
  22. R_N

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    I assume he meant that Mold Breaker would ignore the stat reversals of Perversity from your moves (like you used Psychic on a Shuckle, it would still lower the special defense). But since the moves still work regardless, of course it wouldn't. (Probably)

    Telepathy protects the user from attacks like Surf from its teammates in Doubles/Triples, so maybe it would see if your Mold Breaker guy using Earthquake would still hit your telepathy team member?
  23. Mario With Lasers

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    Mold Breaker also ignores things like Solid Rock; anything that may diminish or nullify your moves gets ignored. Perversity is completely unrelated to that, so it's not ignored by Mold Breaker.
  24. Zebstrika

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    Seeing that Mold Breaker ignores Lightningrod in generation 4, when it doesn't affect the damage or success of a move but only its target, I think perversity should be tested. (However, it may only ignore the accuracy change made for electric moves.)
  25. CyzirVisheen

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    Actually I've been meaning to post my findings on Harvest in the sun, but I haven't gotten around to it until now lol. It's pretty conclusive too. I used the Rest/Lum Berry set up I used in previous testing, and the berry regenerated EVERY TIME at the end of the turn 20 times in a row.

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