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Bronzong (BW2 Revamp) (QC 3/3) (GP 2/2)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by ScraftyIsTheBest, Nov 21, 2012.

  1. yee

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    Don't worry it's not that bad- it still has 64 BP. I don't care if it's the main one or not as long as it's mentioned you get that touch of extra damage against things like Torn-T and Latios / save some EVs needed to KO things like Terrakion at almost no cost- no cost at all as far as I'm concerned.
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    I support this now that I've run some calcs. The extra power on Gyro Ball is appreciated when it comes to things like Mamoswine and Terrakion, whereas Hidden Power Ice is still a solid 2HKO on Landorus regardless of whether its base power is 70 or 64. I guess Gliscor can now Protect out of HP Ice's 2HKO range, but what's Gliscor going to do to Bronzong? Yeah...not much (unless surprise Heatproof lol). Sorry for the prior opposition, I wasn't thinking straight.
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    Hypnosis should be mentioned in the AC of OTR Bronzong at least. Putting Skarmory, Rotom-w, Politoed, Forretress, Scizor, Ferrothorn, or other common switch ins to sleep is very useful.
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    regardless of what Speed you use, there's still no excuse for Toxic being slashed on HP Ice. If you're not using HP Ice on your Bronzong in OU, something is very, very wrong.

    edit: Also, the worst Gliscor can do to you is Ice Fang you for the Freeze. It's a minor worry, but hey, it's happened to me a few more times than I'd like it to have.
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    TrickBand certainly deserves OO.

    I will flip shit if dual Screens is eliminated. Bronzong is actually the best user of it.
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    i like skill swap on bronzong, i used it on a hail stall when i needed a last-ditch reuniclus check (cm) since i could toxic it and then take away magic guard, it also allowed me to set up SR on lavos sun (when it existed, scizor/donphan > gene still works)

    anyways, like ginganinja said, mention it ^_^
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    Okay, made numerous notable edits. Added Hypnosis to the AC of OTR, and other stuff like the addition of Protect to OO and an edit on the Tank IV's. Well, should be ready now.
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    1. 252 hp / 168 def / 88 def should be the primary spread listed on the Tank set. The attack evs are superfluous;They only give Bronzong an 81% chance of OHKOing Gengar after SR damage) and the guaranteed OHKO on Terrakion after SR (who is usually prone to getting OHKOed anyway because of Close Combat -1 defense drops). 0 Atk Gyro Ball gets the 2HKO against every other relevant threat anyway (specifically, the 2HKO on Tornadus-T & most Kyurem-B) and the Dragons are all hit harder by HP Ice anyway, so that extra boost in power is hardly needed. Bronzong is a defensive Pokemon first, and its EV spread should reflect that. You can however, mention running 104 Attack EVs. These let you OHKO Gengar, Terrakion and Heatran with Gyro Ball / EQ most of the time.

    2. Remove OTR Bronzong. After some testing, we determined that OTR Bronzong just doesn't work in BW. The set doesn't translate well from DPP, because it has way too many hard counters to contend with it. You aren't going to sweep any half decent teams with it. (Though it should get a mention in the AC of the tank set)
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    Changed the EV's on the Tank set as well as giving 104 Atk a mention in the AC. Also removed OTR, but kept Trick Room in AC of the tank. Yeah, OTR isn't that good. If ya want an Offensive Trick Room Pokemon, just use Reuniclus.

    Anyways, should be ready for checks now.
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    The most common leads in OU are weather users and deoxys-d. Ninetales fries bronzong, politoed can rape with hydro pump, deoxys taunts, Tyranitar hits hard with choice band or fire blast. Why is dual screens good?
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    Under your Trick Room AC mention, add to combine it with Explosion to safely switch in a TR abuser like Flame Orb Conkeldurr.
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    Don't forget to mention Forretress in C&C. There's also no need to mention specifically mention Air Balloon Heatran in counters (and its not like they're common nowadays either)
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    Thanks for the stamps guys. I'll be sure to get this one written up soon.
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    After a long while, I've finally gotten this thing written up. GP, have at it!
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    Amateur check :) omissions are in red, additions and grammatical/spelling changes are in blue and comments are in green.

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    [Overview]

    <p>Bronzong remains yet unchanged in the transition to BW2. It is still remains a solid wall, boasting high defenses, the coveted Steel typing, and a fine support movepool to boot. It however, receives tons of competition from the likes of Ferrothorn, who boasts a better defensive typing, a broader movepool, and an ability that helps deal residual damage. Bronzong(remove comma) however, clings to its niche; thanks to its ability(remove comma) Levitate, and its great typing, it can reliably check some threats Ferrothorn can only dream of checking;(change to semicolon) these include Tornadus, Gliscor, Landorus, and Mamoswine. Bronzong also is not 4x weak to Fire, so it does not cringe to when faced with Fire-type attacks as easily much as its main competitor does.</p>

    <p>However, Bronzong's ultimate downfall is its lack of reliable recovery. Due to this, numerous repeated hits will eventually take their toll on the bell. Bronzong also sports middling offensive stats, meaning it sometimes cannot hit hard enough. This is, however, somewhat mitigated by its good coverage, though. With all that in mind, anyone using Bronzong must use it to its advantages to ensure that it is not outclassed in its role.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Tank
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Gyro Ball
    move 3: Hidden Power Ice
    move 4: Earthquake / Toxic
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Levitate
    nature: Sassy
    evs: 252 HP / 168 Def / 88 Def
    ivs: 0 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is Bronzong's signature set, and it is quite decent at pulling it off too. Thanks to its great typing and defenses, Bronzong can reliably take repeated onslaughts attacks from numerous Pokemon such as Tornadus, Kyurem-B, and Landorus, as well as set up Stealth Rock numerous times throughout the match.</p>

    <p>Stealth Rock is the crux of this set. As previously stated, Bronzong is very can reliably at using the move, as with set it up using its bulk, it can more than amply get this job done. Gyro Ball is the STAB move here, and thanks to Bronzong's poor Speed and usable base 89 Attack stat, it can put sizable dents in numerous Pokemon. Hidden Power Ice is an excellent coverage move, which hits some threats checked by Bronzong such as Landorus, Gliscor, and Thundurus-T, all threats Bronzong can check, for good damage. Finally, the occupant of last moveslot is up to the player's needs. Earthquake is a great coverage move, and allows it to catch smack incoming Heatran and Magnezone for serious damage. Toxic, however, is also usable to wear down opposing bulky Pokemon, as Bronzong often cannot hit them hard enough.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Maximum is invested into HP EVs are maximized to attain as much bulk as possible. 168 EVs are invested into Defense to allow Bronzong to better tank take physical attacks onslaughts much better, particularly Outrage. The remaining EVs are is invested into Special Defense to give Bronzong great overall bulk. The EV spread is, however, flexible can be changed according to the player's needs, though; 104 Attack EVs can be invested if there is a need to attain an OHKO on Heatran, Gengar, and Terrakion. A Sassy nature is chosen here to not only provide extra Special Defense to work with, but in order to give in Bronzong minimum Speed to utilize Gyro Ball effectively. The 0 IVs in Speed serve the same speed-reducing purpose further compounds this. However, 2 Speed IVs may be used to enhance the power of Hidden Power Ice, but the extra power is often not necessary. Trick Room is usable on this set due to Bronzong's low Speed, and can be used for further support. Additionally, Explosion can be used for as a suicide move to safely send a teammate in while dealing as much a large amount of damage as possible.</p>

    <p>Tyranitar is a great ally to this set, as it can take the Fire-type attacks that Bronzong tends to fare poorly against. Its Sand Stream ability also negates sun, weakening opposing sun teams, as well as and deals residual damage that helps Bronzong better fulfill its role better. As Bronzong has no reliable recovery method, Wish support is appreciated. Both Blissey and Vaporeon are good candidates for this role; and with their massive HP stats, they can grant a large amount of HP to the bell.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Dual Screens
    move 1: Light Screen
    move 2: Reflect
    move 3: Gyro Ball
    move 4: Earthquake / Hypnosis
    item: Light Clay
    ability: Levitate
    nature: Sassy
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>With impressive bulk and typing, Bronzong can fulfill the role of a Dual Screens user well. With its myriad of resistances and a decent offensive prowess, Bronzong stands out from the other candidates for this role, such as namely Deoxys-D and Magnezone.(Magnezone has more resistances and better offensive stats)</p>

    <p>Light Screen and Reflect are the centerpieces of this set. Besides further enhancing Bronzong's staying power, they are this set's main form of support. Gyro Ball is the STAB move here, putting sizable dents in Pokemon such as Tornadus and Kyurem-B thanks to its poor Speed stat. Earthquake is a decent coverage move to catch pummel Heatran and Magnezone. However, Hypnosis can incapacitate incoming counters, and with the new sleep mechanics, it essentially eliminates said opponent from the match.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Maximum is invested into HP and Special Defense are maximized to let Bronzong be as specially bulky as possible in order to take on Tornadus and Landorus. A Sassy nature is chosen here to maximize Special Defense while minimizing Speed to utilize Gyro Ball effectively. Finally, a Light Clay is the preferred item to extend the duration of Light Screen and Reflect.</p>

    <p>A Pokemon who benefits from the softening of hits is a Dual Screens support are good teammates. Such include Pokemon are usually frail setup sweepers such as Lucario and Azelf. Additionally, a Pokemon capable of passing Wish, such as Blissey or Vaporeon, makes for a are useful teammates as well, as they can pass massive Wishes to patch up Bronzong's lack of recovery.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Thanks to Bronzong's decently wide movepool, there is enough room for some creativity in its sets. That said, It can run Calm Mind to boost its middling 79 Special Attack and 116 Special Defense. Along with this comes two STAB moves in Psychic and Flash Cannon, although this kind of set is better left off to other users of the move, namely such as Reuniclus, who sports a better Special Attack and movepool. Zen Headbutt is a usable move on any of the sets for a secondary STAB, however, although Psychic isn't exactly a stellar typing offensively. A Choice Band set is also usable, dealing decent chunks of damage, as well as having Trick to cripple common switch-ins such as Skarmory and Forretress. Bronzong also has access to other attacking moves in such as Rock Slide, Grass Knot, and Signal Beam, although none of these provide much useful coverage. Due to Bronzong being relatively heavy, Heavy Slam can might have some use, although Gyro Ball is generally more reliable. Payback can be used thanks to Bronzong's poor Speed stat, although it does not provide any noteworthy coverage bar on except against the rare Chandelure. Skill Swap has its can be used to cripple Reuniclus and poison it with make it take Toxic damage, particularly on hail and sand teams. Protect is also useful for stalling for Toxic damage stalling as well as and Leftovers recovery, but sadly, Bronzong suffers from a case of four moveslot syndrome. Finally, Heatproof is a decent ability to weaken Fire-type attacks (it halves Burn damage too, but it's up to you to include that), but the immunity to Ground-type moves granted by Levitate is simply too good to let go.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Volcarona is one of the biggest checks to Bronzong;(replace comma with semicolon) it takes little damage from any of Bronzong's attacks, and can use it as setup bait to attain numerous Quiver Dance boosts. It can also incinerate the bell with Fire Blast. Keldeo does not care about anything Bronzong can throw at it, and can eliminate it with a rain boosted Hydro Pump. Users of Taunt, particularly Sableye, are annoyances to Bronzong. Sableye in particular can burn it, and thus take a pittance of laughably little damage from Bronzong. Magnezone can trap Bronzong, avoid Earthquake with Magnet Rise, and wear it down with repeated Thunderbolts or Hidden Power Fires due to its lack of reliable recovery. However, it cannot come in on an Earthquake. Many Fire-types can check Bronzong and decimate it with their STAB moves, but must be wary of an incoming Earthquake. Ferrothorn, Skarmory, and Forretress laugh at Bronzong's attempts to do anything to them and can lay down multiple layers of Spikes in the process. Finally, Rotom-W also takes pitiful damage and can use its options at its disposal against easily dispose of Bronzong.</p>

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    [Overview]

    <p>Bronzong remains unchanged in the transition to BW2. It is still a solid wall, boasting high defenses, the coveted Steel typing, and a fine support movepool to boot. It however, receives tons of competition from the likes of Ferrothorn, who boasts a better defensive typing, a broader movepool, and an ability that helps deal residual damage. Bronzong however, clings to its niche; thanks to its ability Levitate, and its great typing, it can reliably check some threats Ferrothorn can only dream of checking; these include Tornadus, Gliscor, Landorus, and Mamoswine. Bronzong also is not 4x weak to Fire, so it does not cringe when faced with Fire-type attacks as much as its main competitor does.</p>

    <p>However, Bronzong's ultimate downfall is its lack of reliable recovery. Due to this, numerous repeated hits will eventually take their toll on the bell. Bronzong also sports middling offensive stats, meaning it sometimes cannot hit hard enough. This is somewhat mitigated by its good coverage, though. With all that in mind, anyone using Bronzong must use it to its advantages to ensure that it is not outclassed in its role.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Tank
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Gyro Ball
    move 3: Hidden Power Ice
    move 4: Earthquake / Toxic
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Levitate
    nature: Sassy
    evs: 252 HP / 168 Def / 88 Def
    ivs: 0 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is Bronzong's signature set, and it is quite decent at pulling it off too. Thanks to its great typing and defenses, Bronzong can reliably take repeated attacks from numerous Pokemon such as Tornadus, Kyurem-B, and Landorus, as well as set up Stealth Rock numerous times throughout the match.</p>

    <p>Stealth Rock is the crux of this set. As previously stated, Bronzong can reliably set it up using its bulk. Gyro Ball is the STAB move here, and thanks to Bronzong's poor Speed and usable base 89 Attack stat, it can put sizable dents in numerous Pokemon. Hidden Power Ice is an excellent coverage move, which hits some threats checked by Bronzong such as Landorus, Gliscor, and Thundurus-T, for good damage. Finally, the occupant oflast moveslot is up to the player's needs. Earthquake is a great coverage move, and allows it to smack incoming Heatran and Magnezone. Toxic is also usable to wear down opposing bulky Pokemon, as Bronzong often cannot hit them hard enough.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>HP EVs are maximized to attain as much bulk as possible. 168 EVs are invested in Defense to allow Bronzong to better tank physical attacks, particularly Outrage. The remaining EVs are invested in Special Defense to give Bronzong great overall bulk. The EV spread can be changed according to the player's needs, though; 104 Attack EVs can be invested if there is a need to OHKO Heatran, Gengar, and Terrakion. A Sassy nature is chosen here to not only provide extra Special Defense to work with, but to give Bronzong minimum Speed to utilize Gyro Ball effectively. The 0 IVs in Speed serve the same speed-reducing purpose. 2 Speed IVs may be used to enhance the power of Hidden Power Ice, but the extra power is often not necessary. Trick Room is usable on this set due to Bronzong's low Speed, and can be used for further support. Additionally, Explosion can be used as a suicide move to safely send a teammate in while dealing a large amount of damage.</p>

    <p>Tyranitar is a great ally to this set, as it can take the Fire-type attacks that Bronzong tends to fare poorly against. Its Sand Stream ability also negates sun, weakening opposing sun teams, and deals residual damage that helps Bronzong better fulfill its role. As Bronzong has no reliable recovery method, Wish support is appreciated. Both Blissey and Vaporeon are good candidates for this role; with their massive HP stats, they can grant a large amount of HP to the bell.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Dual Screens
    move 1: Light Screen
    move 2: Reflect
    move 3: Gyro Ball
    move 4: Earthquake / Hypnosis
    item: Light Clay
    ability: Levitate
    nature: Sassy
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>With impressive bulk and typing, Bronzong can fulfill the role of a Dual Screens user well. With its myriad of resistances and a decent offensive prowess, Bronzong stands out from the other candidates for this role, such as Deoxys-D. </p>

    <p>Light Screen and Reflect are the centerpieces of this set. Besides further enhancing Bronzong's staying power, they are this set's main form of support. Gyro Ball is the STAB move here, putting sizable dents in Pokemon such as Tornadus and Kyurem-B thanks to its poor Speed stat. Earthquake is a decent coverage move to pummel Heatran and Magnezone. However, Hypnosis can incapacitate incoming counters, and with the new sleep mechanics, it essentially eliminates said opponent from the match.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>HP and Special Defense are maximized to let Bronzong be as specially bulky as possible in order to take on Tornadus and Landorus. A Sassy nature is chosen here to maximize Special Defense while minimizing Speed to utilize Gyro Ball effectively. Finally, Light Clay is the preferred item to extend the duration of Light Screen and Reflect.</p>

    <p>Pokemon who benefit from Dual Screens support are good teammates. Such Pokemon are usually frail setup sweepers such as Lucario and Azelf. Additionally, Pokemon capable of passing Wish, such as Blissey or Vaporeon, are useful teammates as well, as they can pass massive Wishes to patch up Bronzong's lack of recovery.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Thanks to Bronzong's decently wide movepool, there is enough room for some creativity in its sets. It can run Calm Mind to boost its middling 79 Special Attack and 116 Special Defense. Along with this comes two STAB moves in Psychic and Flash Cannon, although this kind of set is better left to other users of the move, such as Reunicluc. Zen Headbutt is a usable move on any of the sets for a secondary STAB, although Psychic isn't exactly a stellar typing offensively. A Choice Band set is also usable, dealing decent damage, as well as having Trick to cripple common switch-ins such as Skarmory and Forretress. Bronzong also has access to other attacking moves such as Rock Slide, Grass Knot, and Signal Beam, although none of these provide much useful coverage. Due to Bronzong being relatively heavy, Heavy Slam might have some use, although Gyro Ball is generally more reliable. Payback can be used thanks to Bronzong's poor Speed stat, although it does not provide any noteworthy coverage except against the rare Chandelure. Skill Swap can be used to cripple Reuniclus and make it take Toxic damage, particularly on hail and sand teams. Protect is also useful for stalling for Toxic damage and Leftovers recovery, but sadly, Bronzong suffers from a case of four moveslot syndrome. Finally, Heatproof is a decent ability to weaken Fire-type attacks but the immunity to Ground-type moves granted by Levitate is simply too good to let go.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Volcarona is one of the biggest checks to Bronzong; it takes little damage from any of Bronzong's attacks, and can use it as setup bait to attain numerous Quiver Dance boosts. It can also incinerate the bell with Fire Blast. Keldeo does not care about anything Bronzong can throw at it, and can eliminate it with a rain boosted Hydro Pump. Users of Taunt, particularly Sableye, are annoyances to Bronzong. Sableye in particular can burn it, and thus take laughably little damage from Bronzong. Magnezone can trap Bronzong, avoid Earthquake with Magnet Rise, and wear it down with repeated Thunderbolts or Hidden Power Fires due to its lack of reliable recovery. However, it cannot come in on an Earthquake. Many Fire-types can check Bronzong and decimate it with their STAB moves, but must be wary of an incoming Earthquake. Ferrothorn, Skarmory, and Forretress laugh at Bronzong's attempts to do anything to them and can lay down multiple layers of Spikes in the process. Finally, Rotom-W also takes pitiful damage and can easily dispose of Bronzong.</p>
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    <p>Bronzong remains unchanged in the transition to BW2. It is still a solid wall, boasting high defenses, the coveted Steel-type, and a fine support movepool to boot. It However, it receives tons of competition from other defensive Pokemon, such as the likes of Ferrothorn, which boasts a better defensive typing, and a broader movepool, and an ability that helps deal residual damage. Bronzong however, clings to its niche; thanks to its ability Levitate, and its great typing, it can reliably check some threats Ferrothorn can only dream of, checking; these including Tornadus, Gliscor, Landorus, and Mamoswine. Bronzong is also is not 4x weak to Fire, so it does not cringe when faced with Fire-type attacks as much as its main competitor does.</p>

    <p>However, Bronzong's ultimate downfall is its lack of reliable recovery. Due to this, numerous repeated hits will eventually take their toll on it the bell. Bronzong also sports middling offensive stats&mdash;though they are often enough to put out damage on the enemy, Bronzong cannot maintain as much pressure as Ferrothorn, another setback. meaning it sometimes cannot hit hard enough. This is somewhat mitigated by its good coverage, though. With all that in mind, Anyone using Bronzong must use it to its advantages to ensure that it is not outclassed in its role.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Tank
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Gyro Ball
    move 3: Hidden Power Ice
    move 4: Earthquake / Toxic
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Levitate
    nature: Sassy
    evs: 252 HP / 168 Def / 88 SpD
    ivs: 0 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is Bronzong's signature set, which it pulls of quite decently and is quite decent at pulling it off too. Thanks to its great typing and defenses, Bronzong can reliably take repeated attacks from numerous Pokemon such as Tornadus, Kyurem-B, and Landorus, as well as set up Stealth Rock numerous times throughout the match.</p>
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    <p>Speaking of which, Stealth Rock is the crux of this set. As previously stated, Bronzong can reliably set it up using its great bulk and numerous switch-in opportunities. Gyro Ball is the STAB move of choice here, and thanks to Bronzong's poor Speed and usable base 89 Attack stat, it can put sizable dents in numerous Pokemon. Hidden Power Ice is an excellent coverage move, which hits some threats checked by Bronzong such as Landorus, Gliscor, and Thundurus-T, for good damage. Finally, the occupant of the last moveslot is up to the player's needs. Earthquake is a great coverage move, and allows Bronzong it to smack incoming Heatran and Magnezone, making it the preferred choice. However, Toxic is also usable to wear down opposing bulky Pokemon, as Bronzong often cannot hit them hard enough.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>HP EVs are maximized to attain as much bulk as possible. 168 EVs are invested in Defense to allow Bronzong to better tank physical attacks, particularly Outrage. The remaining EVs are invested in Special Defense to give Bronzong great overall bulk. The EV spread can be changed according to the player's needs, though; 104 Attack EVs can be invested if there is a need to OHKO Heatran, Gengar, and Terrakion. A Sassy nature is chosen here to not only provide extra Special Defense to work with, but to give Bronzong minimum Speed to utilize Gyro Ball effectively. The0IVs in Speed serve the same speed-reducing purpose. 2 Speed IVs may be used to enhance the power of Hidden Power Ice, but the extra power is often not necessary and additional Gyro Ball power is more appreciated, as it is the attack Bronzong will be using most often. Trick Room is usable on this set due to Bronzong's low Speed, and can be used for further support. Additionally, Explosion can be used as a suicide move to safely send a teammate in while dealing a large amount of damage.</p>

    <p>Tyranitar is a great ally to this set, as it can take the Fire-type attacks that Bronzong tends to fare poorly against. Its Sand Stream ability also negates sun, weakening opposing sun teams, (RC) and dealing residual damage that helps Bronzong better fulfill its role. As Bronzong has no reliable recovery method, Wish support is appreciated. Both Blissey and Vaporeon are good candidates for this role; with their massive HP stats, they can grant a large amount of HP to the bell.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Dual Screens
    move 1: Light Screen
    move 2: Reflect
    move 3: Gyro Ball
    move 4: Earthquake / Hypnosis
    item: Light Clay
    ability: Levitate
    nature: Sassy
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>With impressive bulk and typing, Bronzong can fulfill the role of a Dual Screens user well. With its myriad of resistances and a decent offensive prowess, Bronzong stands out from the other candidates for this role, such as Deoxys-D. </p>

    <p>Light Screen and Reflect are the centerpieces of this set. Besides further enhancing Bronzong's staying power, they are this set's main form of support. Gyro Ball is the STAB move here, putting sizable dents in Pokemon such as Tornadus and Kyurem-B thanks to its poor Speed stat. Earthquake is a decent coverage move to pummel Heatran and Magnezone. However, Hypnosis can incapacitate incoming counters, and with the new sleep mechanics, it essentially eliminates said opponent from the match.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>HP and Special Defense are maximized to let Bronzong be as specially bulky as possible in order to take on Tornadus and Landorus. A Sassy nature is chosen here to maximize Special Defense while minimizing Speed to utilize Gyro Ball effectively. Finally, Light Clay is the preferred item to extend the duration of Light Screen and Reflect.</p>

    <p>Pokemon who benefit from Dual Screens support are good teammates. Such Pokemon are usually frail setup sweepers such as Lucario and Azelf. Additionally, Pokemon capable of passing Wish, such as Blissey or Vaporeon, are useful teammates as well, as they can pass massive Wishes to patch up Bronzong's lack of recovery.</p>


    I know there really isn't much to say here, but this section needs to be beefed up. I don't have experience in DS bronzong, but I am sure there is more reason to describe here, perhaps why bronzong is superior to Deo-D. Three sentence paragraphs are just unacceptable.

    [Other Options]

    <p>Thanks to Bronzong's decently wide movepool, there is enough room for some creativity in its sets. It can run Calm Mind to boost its middling 79 Special Attack and 116 Special Defense. Along with this comes two STAB moves in Psychic and Flash Cannon, although this kind of set is better left to other users of the move, such as Reuniclus. Zen Headbutt is a usable move on any of the sets for a secondary STAB, although Psychic isn't exactly a stellar typing offensively. A Choice Band set is also usable, dealing decent damage, (RC) as well as being able to Trick away its item having Trick to cripple common switch-ins such as Skarmory and Forretress. However, Ferrothorn often pulls off this set much better. Bronzong also has access to other attacking moves such as Rock Slide, Grass Knot, and Signal Beam, although none of these provide much useful coverage. Due to Bronzong being relatively heavy, Heavy Slam might have some use, although Gyro Ball is generally more reliable. Payback can be used thanks to Bronzong's poor Speed stat, although it does not provide any noteworthy coverage except against the rare Chandelure. Skill Swap can be used to cripple Reuniclus and make it take Toxic damage, particularly on hail and sand teams, though Levitate is one of Bronzong's best aspects. Protect is also useful for stalling for Toxic damage and Leftovers recovery, but sadly, Bronzong suffers from a case of four moveslot syndrome. Finally, Heatproof is a decent ability to weaken Fire-type attacks but the immunity to Ground-type moves granted by Levitate is simply too good to let go.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Volcarona is one of the biggest checks to Bronzong; it takes little damage from any of Bronzong's attacks, (RC) and can use it as setup bait to attain numerous Quiver Dance boosts. It can also incinerate the bell with Fire Blast. Keldeo does not care about anything Bronzong can throw at it, and can eliminate Bronzong it with a rain boosted Hydro Pump. Users of Taunt, particularly Sableye, are annoyances to Bronzong. Sableye in particular can also burn Bronzong it, and thus take laughably little damage from Gyro Ball Bronzong. Magnezone can trap Bronzong, avoid Earthquake with Magnet Rise, and wear it down with repeated Thunderbolts or Hidden Power Fires due to Bronzong's its lack of reliable recovery. However, it cannot come in on an Earthquake. Many Fire-types can check Bronzong and decimate it with their STAB moves, but must be wary of an incoming Earthquake. Ferrothorn, Skarmory, and Forretress laugh at Bronzong's attempts to do anything to them and can lay down multiple layers of Spikes in the process. Finally, Rotom-W also takes pitiful damage and can easily dispose of Bronzong.</p>


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    Just sayin', I think Rain Dance is a more viable/useful/interesting option than most of the stuff in OO right now-- Rain Dance Bronzong is much more OU viable than Calm Mind or Heavy Slam for instance...
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    Implemented the checks, and also added Rain Dance to OO. Thanks for that, now only need one more.
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    Well, I'm back again, and out of things to say in my Amcheck intro.

    And on the next one, I won't even be able to use that as my intro.

    Comments on the bottom, as always. Pretty well done overall, a lot of variety and not too many errors.

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    [Overview]¶

    <p>Bronzong remains unchanged in the transition to BW2. It is still a solid wall, boasting high defenses, the coveted Steel-type, and a fine support movepool. However, it receives tons of competition from other defensive Pokemon, such as Ferrothorn, who boasts a better defensive typing and a broader movepool. Bronzong, however, clings to its niche; thanks to its ability and great typing, it can reliably check some threats Ferrothorn can only dream of checking, including Tornadus, Gliscor, Landorus, and Mamoswine. Bronzong is also not 4x weak to Fire, so it does not cringe when facedfear Fire-type attacks as much as its main competitor does.</p>¶

    <p>However, Bronzong's ultimate downfall is its lack of reliable recovery. Due to this, numerocausing repeated hits willto eventually take their toll on it. Bronzong also sports middling offensive stats&mdash;though they are often enough to put out damage on the enemy, Bronzong cannot maintain as much pressure as Ferrothorn, another setback. Anyone using Bronzong must use it to its advantages to ensure that it is not outclassed in its role.</p>¶

    [SET]¶
    name: Tank¶
    move 1: Stealth Rock¶
    move 2: Gyro Ball¶
    move 3: Hidden Power Ice¶
    move 4: Earthquake / Toxic¶
    item: Leftovers¶
    ability: Levitate¶
    nature: Sassy¶
    evs: 252 HP / 168 Def / 88 SpD¶
    ivs: 0 Spe¶

    [SET COMMENTS]¶


    <p>This is Bronzong's signature set, which it pulls off quite decently. Thanks to its great typing and defenses, Bronzong can reliably take repeated attacks from numerous Pokemon, such as Tornadus, Kyurem-B, and Landorus, as well as set up. Stealth Rock numerous times throughout the match. Speakingcrux of which, Stealth Rock is the crux of this set. As previously stated,set; Bronzong can reliably set it up using its great defenses and numerous switch-in opportunities. Gyro Ball is the STAB move of choice here, and thanks to Bronzong's poor Speed and usable base 89 Attack stat, it can put sizable dents in numerous Pokemon. Hidden Power Ice is an excellent coverage move, which hits some threats checked by Bronzong such as Landorus, Gliscor, and Thundurus-T for good damage. Finally, the occupant of the last moveslot is up to the player's needs. Earthquake is a great coverage move, and allows Bronzong to smack incoming Heatran and Magnezone. Toxic is also usable to wear down opposing bulky Pokemon, as Bronzong often cannot hit them hard enough.</p>¶

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]¶

    <p>Maximum is investedment into HP is to attain as much bulk as possible. 168 EV's are invested into Defense to allow Bronzong to take physical onslaughts much better, particularly Outrage. The remaining is invested into Special Defense to give great overall bulk. The EV spread is, however, flexible to the player's needs; 104 Attack EV's can be invested if there is a need to attain an OHKO on Heatran, Gengar, and Terrakion. A Sassy nature is chosen here to not only provide extra Special Defense, but in order to give in minimum Speed to utilize Gyro Ball effectively. The 0 IV's in Speed serve the same purpose. However, 2 Speed IV's may be used to enhance the power of Hidden Power Ice, but the extra Power is often not necessary and additional Gyro Ball power is more appreciated, as it is the attack Bronzong will be using most often. Trick Room is usable on this set due to Bronzong's low Speed, and can be used for further support. Additionally, Explosion can be used for a suicide move to safely send a teammate in while dealing as much damage as possible.</p>¶

    <p>Tyranitar is a great ally to this set, as it can take Fire-type attacks that Bronzong tends to fare poorly against. Its Sand Stream ability also negates sun, weakening opposing sun teams, while dealing residual damage that helps Bronzong (better fill its role better)(Pick one better). As Bronzong has no reliable recovery, Wish support is appreciated. Both Blissey and Vaporeon are good candidates for this role; and with their massive HP stats, they can grantrestore a large amount of HP</p>¶


    [SET]¶
    name: Dual Screens¶
    move 1: Light Screen¶
    move 2: Reflect¶
    move 3: Gyro Ball¶
    move 4: Earthquake / Hypnosis¶
    item: Light Clay¶
    ability: Levitate¶
    nature: Sassy¶
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD¶

    [SET COMMENTS]¶

    <p>With impressive bulk and typing, Bronzong can fulfill the role of a Dual Screens user well. With its myriad of resistances and a decent offensive prowess, Bronzong stands out from the other candidates for this role, such as Deoxys-D. It also lacks the common Pursuit and U-turn weaknesses that other users of the move, such as Deoxys-D, tend to suffer from.</p>¶

    <p>Light Screen and Reflect are the centerpieces of this set. Besides further enhancing Bronzong's staying power, they are this set's main form of support. Gyro Ball is the STAB move here, putting sizable dents in Pokemon such as Tornadus and Kyurem-B thanks to its poor Speed stat. Earthquake is a decent coverage move to pummel Heatran and Magnezone. However, Hypnosis can incapacitate incoming counters, and with the new sleep mechanics, it essentially eliminates said opponent from the match.</p>¶

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]¶

    <p>HP and Special Defense are maximized to let Bronzong be as specially bulky as possible in order to take on Tornadus and Landorus. A Sassy nature is chosen here to maximize Special Defense while minimizing Speed to utilize Gyro Ball effectively. Finally, Light Clay is the preferred item to extend the duration of Light Screen and Reflect. Explosion is a usable move in order to sacrifice Bronzong to send in a teammate safely, however, the nerf it received this generation makes it significantly less effective. Stealth Rock can also be used, but Bronzong sadly has a case of four movesloet syndrome.</p>¶

    <p>Pokemon who benefit from Dual Screens support are good teammates. Such Pokemon are usually frail setup sweepers such as Lucario and Azelf. Additionally, Pokemon capable of passing Wish, such as Blissey or Vaporeon, are useful teammates as well, as they can pass massive Wishes to patch up Bronzong's lack of recovery. Walls such as Gliscor and Chansey appreciate the softening of attacks to be able to wall better, and also be able to take hits from their weaker defensive stat.</p>¶

    [Other Options]¶

    <p>Thanks to Bronzong's decently wide movepool, there is enough room for some creativity in its sets. That said, iIt can run Calm Mind to boost its middling 79 Special Attack and 116 Special Defense., Along with this comes two STAB moves in Psychic and Flash Cannon, although this kind of set is better left off to other users of the move, such as Reuniclus. Zen Headbutt is a usable move on any of the sets for a secondary STAB, though Psychic isn't exactly a stellar typing offensively typing. A Choice Band set is also usable, dealing decent chunks of damage as well as being able to Trick away its item to cripple common switch-ins such as Skarmory and Forretress. Bronzong also has access to other attacking moves in Rock Slide, Grass Knot, and Signal Beam, although none of these provide much useful coverage. Rain Dance can be used to power up Swift Swim-based rain teams, and thisit also nullifies Bronzong's weakness to Fire-type moves. Due to Bronzong being relatively heavy, Heavy Slam can have some use, although Gyro Ball is generally more reliable. Payback can be used thanks to Bronzong's poor Speed stat, although it does not provide any noteworthy coverage. Skill Swap has its use to cripple Reuniclus and poison it with Toxic, particularly on hail and sand teams, though Levitate is one of Bronzong's best aspects. Protect is also useful for Toxic stalling as well as Leftovers recovery, but sadly, Bronzong suffers from a case of four moveslot syndrome. Finally, Heatproof is a decent ability to weaken Fire-type attacks, but the immunity to Ground-type moves granted by Levitate is simply too good to let go.</p>¶

    [Checks and Counters]¶

    <p>Volcarona is one of the biggest checks to Bronzong, as it takes little from any of Bronzong's attacks and can use it as setup bait to attain numerous Quiver Dance boosts. It can also incinerate the bell with Fire Blast. Keldeo does not care about anything Bronzong throws at it, and can eliminate Bronzong with a rain boosted Hydro Pump. Users of Taunt, particularly Sableye, are annoyances to Bronzong. Sableye can also burn Bronzong, and thus take laughably little damage from Gyro Ball. Magnezone can trap Bronzong, avoid Earthquake with Magnet Rise, and wear it down with repeated Thunderbolts or Hidden Power Fires due to Bronzong's lack of reliable recovery. However, it cannot come in on an Earthquake. Many Fire-types can check Bronzong and decimate it with their moves, but must be wary of an incoming Earthquake. Ferrothorn, Skarmory, and Forretress laugh at Bronzong's attempts to do anything to them and can lay down multiple layers of Spikes in the process. Finally, Rotom-W also takes pitiful damage and can use itsany of the options at its disposal against Bronzong.</p> ¶

    Comments:
    "The occupant of the last moveslot". I guess it works, but you're calling a move an occupant.
    "Better Fill its Role Better". Pick one
    Maybe mention some other Dual Screeners in comparison? Come to think of it, maybe mention Skarmory in the top section a little bit? You kind of go after one 'mon Bronzong competes with each time, and seeing as it's got multiple, be nice if they had mentions?
    Sableye already takes laughably little damage from Bronzong. 252/4 neutral takes 20%. And burning 'zong slashes its recovery, while stopping it from really hurting anything not 4x weak to ice(But you can Toxic on the switch-in, crippling Sable first).
    I haven't seen Magnezone use Magnet rise in forever. Maybe more relevant is how it takes down any 'zong sans EQ?


    Edit:
    if there is a need to attain an OHKO on Heatran, Gengar, and Terrakion=if there is a need to OHKO on Heatran, Gengar, and Terrakion.
    Not supposed to check again but JS
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    Sorry for the delay, was horribly busy last week or so, but I implemented that amcheck. Time for the final GP check!
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    Good job!

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    Kay, thanks for that check Jumpluff! This is now done and ready for upload!

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