I understand that this is just calculations and not in-game scenarios, but a lot of those pokemon would just revenge kill you like noivern's draco meteor and garchomp's dragon claw.Charizard @ Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 104 HP / 220 Atk / 8 SDef / 176 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Dragon Claw
- Will-O-Wisp
- Roost
Just a slight tweak to the EVs. Now this is guaranteed to survive Mega Gengar's Sludge Bomb after 25% Stealth Rock damage. The lower attack doesn't really lose any potency, but the added bulk is welcome.
Damage calculations against the top 20 most common Pokemon per October data (most popular EV spreads assumed):
Flare Blitz
1. Aegislash (Shield Stance): OHKO
2. Mega Gengar: OHKO
3. Ferrothorn: OHKO
4. Scizor: OHKO
5. Klefki: OHKO
6. Azumarill: 154-182 (38.11 - 45.04%)
7. Excadrill: OHKO
8. Gliscor: 166-196 (46.89 - 55.36%)
9. Mega Lucario: OHKO
10: Mega Kangaskhan: 256-302 (61.83 - 72.94%)
Other Notable:
1. Togekiss: 268-316 (71.65 - 84.49%)
2. Florges: 350-414 (97.22 - 115%)
3. Sylveon: 364-430 (92.38 - 109.13%), Bold: 240-284 (60.91 - 72.08%)
4. Mega Gardevoir: OHKO
Dragon Claw
1. Greninja: 238-280 (83.21 - 97.9%)
2. Talonflame: 226-268 (75.83 - 89.93%)
3. Gengar: survives minimum damage, Mega Gengar: 206-244 (78.62 - 93.12%)
4. Tyranitar: 158-188 (39.1 - 46.53%), Mega Tyranitar: 122-144 (30.19 - 35.64%)
5. Garchomp: OHKO, Mega Garchomp: 304-360 (84.91 - 100.55%)
6. Goodra: OHKO
7: Rotom-W: 162-192 (53.28 - 63.15%)
8. Noivern: OHKO
9: Alakazam: OHKO, Mega Alakazam: 244-288 (96.82 - 114.28%)
10: Dragonite (Multiscale): 180-212 (55.55 - 65.43%)
11: Gliscor: 112-132 (31.63 - 37.28%)
12. Mega Charizard Y: 210-248 (70.7 - 83.5%), Mega Charizard X: OHKO
Other Notable:
1. Gyarados (after intimidate): 138-164 (41.69 - 49.54%), Mega Gyarados (no intimidate): 158-188 (47.59 - 56.62%)
2. Starmie: 196-232 (74.8 - 88.54%)
3. Vaporeon: 170-200 (36.63 - 43.1%)
4. Blastoise: 170-202 (46.96 - 55.8%), Mega Blastoise: 146-174 (40.33 - 48.06%)
Actually, I was just going down the list. I only included them because they were part of the top 20 usage.I understand that this is just calculations and not in-game scenarios, but a lot of those pokemon would just revenge kill you like noivern's draco meteor and garchomp's dragon claw.
its far from the most destructive in either power defense or anything else, its good offensivly and has great movepoll to back it up, sure.but so does every damn mega, heck mega venusaur has cresselia defeses and still has 122 spA. all it is is simply good, nothing crazy, it's just getting hype because it's charzard, and our lil starter budd finally got good.Actually, I was just going down the list. I only included them because they were part of the top 20 usage.
These calcs really highlight how destructive Char X actually is. IMO, it's the most terrifying Mega evo (until Gengar gets Pain Split access). +1 is devastating, but Flare Blitz recoil is the great equaliser. I think bulky dance will be the way forward once Pokebank is available.
From my extensive experience on Showdown, few things come close to how difficult it is to handle Mega Charizard X (JUST ASK MY OPPONENTS). Honestly, people are using it badly if it's not working for them. In the right hands, I only see Mega Charizard X, Mega Gengar, and Mega Kangaskhan being close to overpowered. The rest of them? They're good for sure, but these three are in a different league.its far from the most destructive in either power defense or anything else, its good offensivly and has great movepoll to back it up, sure.but so does every damn mega, heck mega venusaur has cresselia defeses and still has 122 spA.
I prefer charizard Y because I just like to swim against the current and because of the raw power.Actually, I was just going down the list. I only included them because they were part of the top 20 usage.
These calcs really highlight how destructive Char X actually is. IMO, it's the most terrifying Mega evo (until Gengar gets Pain Split access). +1 is devastating, but Flare Blitz recoil is the great equaliser. I think bulky dance will be the way forward once Pokebank is available.
lolinb4forgetting aboutthebestone: mega blazeiken, also, anything is destructive in the right hand of a competent playerFrom my extensive experience on Showdown, few things come close to how difficult it is to handle Mega Charizard X (JUST ASK MY OPPONENTS). Honestly, people are using it badly if it's not working for them. In the right hands, I only see Mega Charizard X, Mega Gengar, and Mega Kangaskhan being close to overpowered. The rest of them? They're good for sure, but these three are in a different league.
Personally, I disagree. I've never considered Blaziken uber, and find it odd that other people do. Mega Blaziken is fragile and predictable.lolinb4forgetting aboutthebestone: mega blazeiken, also, anything is destructive in the right hand of a competent player
I kinda agree that CharX and Y both aren't the BEST megas, but are surely in the top 6.lolinb4forgetting aboutthebestone: mega blazeiken, also, anything is destructive in the right hand of a competent player
The thing about Char X is that it's got 130/100 physical offense and access to Dragon Dance, its STAB combination is almost unresisted and is backed by an ability that boosts its STABs by 33%, it outspeeds everything Scarf-less at +1, and It's the only Dragon-type not weak to Fairy or Ice (bar Dialga). Mega Charizard X has a lot going for it.From my extensive experience on Showdown, few things come close to how difficult it is to handle Mega Charizard X. Honestly, people are using it badly if it's not working for them. In the right hands, I only see Mega Charizard X, Mega Gengar, and Mega Kangaskhan being close to overpowered. The rest of them? They're good for sure, but they're in a different league.
we can't begin to legitimatly rank megas this early, there is way too much of a shiny new toy factor existing that and this meta is way too early (though we can weed out stuff like mega herra) that and this kindagot off topic more than I meant it to beI kinda agree that CharX and Y both aren't the BEST megas, but are surely in the top 6.
My list:
1.M-Gengar
2.M-Kangaskhan
3.M-Lucario
4.M-Blaziken
5.M-CharX and Y(can't really say one is better, as both do opposite jobs and do them as efficiently, bulky physical vs speedy special)
6.M-Mawile(sorry, your special defence and HP just don't make the cut)
3 and 4 may be switched, not entirely sure.
true, but it was just a theory(and my opinion). But we need to get back on topic, soooooooo...we can't begin to legitimatly rank megas this early, there is way too much of a shiny new toy factor existing that and this meta is way too early (though we can weed out stuff like mega herra) that and this kindagot off topic more than I meant it to be
Overheat has its uses the break through some physical counters (Hippo) that would otherwise force you out or KO.Edit: why on earth would anyone go mixed with charx when tough claws Flare Blitz probably outdamages nerfed Fire Blast on a lot of physical walls...I'd rather even go with swords dance and be the ultimate stall breaker.
Flame Charge/DD for speed.So Mega Charizard-X is obviously a baller, but how is Mega Charizard-Y? I'm thinking of using it on a team, but i'm worried about it's slight vulnerability to Tyranitar and meh Speed.
Setwise, you're pretty much locked into using Fire Blast, Focus Blast and Solarbeam. What's the last moveslot usually dedicated to? Roost I imagine?
Why flare blitz when he has a more powerful move in fire blast coming from 159 sp.atk? I say run dragon claw or Rock slide for a DD set with maximum evs in sp.atk. Put 52 in attack and the rest in speed and you have a beast. Just check my other post on this page with a moveset.Flame Charge/DD for speed.
Flare Blitz for wall break.
Dragon Pulse to kill the dragons who wall your other 3 moves.
Air Slash to kill the fire/flyings who wall your other 3 moves.
Imo depends on what you use him for. I personally use flamethrower/solarbeam/dragon pulse/focus blast and it hits everything for atleast neutral dmg. It's great for punching holes in teams or as a suicide lead in my experience.Setwise, you're pretty much locked into using Fire Blast, Focus Blast and Solarbeam. What's the last moveslot usually dedicated to? Roost I imagine?
The idea is that it gets past stuff like Blissey with so much SpD that Charizard can't kill with special attacks, thereby wallbreaking.Why flare blitz when he has a more powerful move in fire blast coming from 159 sp.atk? I say run dragon claw or Rock slide for a DD set with maximum evs in sp.atk. Put 52 in attack and the rest in speed and you have a beast. Just check my other post on this page with a moveset.
+ 2 Charizard X Flare Blitz (Tough Claws boosted) to a 252/252+ Hippowdon - 86.66 - 102.38%.Overheat has its uses the break through some physical counters (Hippo) that would otherwise force you out or KO.
Charizard has a sucky speed, so it needs to patch it up using Dragon Dance.Hello, I just got back into competitive Pokemon after 'retiring' at the midpoint of 5th Gen. So after getting a hold of some of the Power items and racking up some BP, I got to EV Training again. My first project was a Charmander with Jolly Nature and a Charizardite X that my friend gave to me. So, naturally, I decided to make a "DragonZard". Now, just to clarify, because this was a Pokemon my friend had picked up via in-game events, I didn't have access to Outrage or Dragon Dance, so I made the best set I could without those options. After identifying what path I need to take to get those moves, I decided to make a second DragonZard at some point in the future. Before I post my current set, I would like to ask a few key questions that I've had about DragonZard and what directions I could take it in:
1) Is there anything fundamentally wrong with using Swords Dance over Dragon Dance on DragonZard?
2) What is the better overall attack for DragonZard: Dragon Claw or Outrage?
3) Is there any reason I should use Flare Blitz over Flame Charge(I use Flame Charge to mitigate the lack of Dragon Dance while also maintaining DragonZard's sweeping capabilities through the gradual speed buffs and lack of recoil that I would otherwise receive from Flare Blitz)?
If you guys could help me with these questions, that would be greatly appreciated. Now, here's the current set:
DragonZard
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Speed/252 Attack/4 Defense
Item: Charizardite X
Moves:
-Dragon Claw
-Flame Charge
-Earthquake
-Swords Dance
Thanks for your help!
It is worth noting that OHKOing a max HP Hippowdon with Flare Blitz means taking 140 damage, when uninvested Charizard only has 297 HP. Losing 47% of your HP isn't fun, especially when you're gonna be taking more residual damage from sand as well.+ 2 Charizard X Flare Blitz (Tough Claws boosted) to a 252/252+ Hippowdon - 86.66 - 102.38%.
Yeah, I really don't see the point in running Overheat, considering Flare Blitz has a chance of outright killing the toughest physical wall you're likely to face, with more then 50% chance of koing with just SR on the field
You've got to understand that a + 2 Charizard using Flare Blitz is hitting harder then a +2 Adamant Garchomp Outrage boosted by Life Orb. That's some serious power, why waste it by splitting EV's?