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Creative (and good) Movesets (READ THE OP FIRST)

Discussion in 'BW OU' started by sax king, Jan 17, 2011.

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  1. The Reptile

    The Reptile bug a best
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    Sep 16, 2011
    Rain-Boosted LO Latios Surf vs SDef TTar : 78.2% - 92.6%
    HP Fighting LO Latios vs SDef TTar in the Rain : 78.2% - 92.1%

    (unless I ran my calculations wrong.)

    They do about the same damage, and Surf is more useful now that it is rain boosted. Even if it's not SDef TTar, the damage output is the same as long as rain is up.
  2. Mewcario2546


    Mar 17, 2011
    Just checking, did you take into account that you lose 1 Iv in Spa with hidden power fighting?
  3. zyrefredric


    Jun 24, 2008
    I know you might think this Pokemon is useless, or that the way I'm using it is gimicky, but it is actually one of the most important Pokemon in my current team. I present to you...

    Audino @ Light Clay
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 252 HP / 84 Def / 172 SpD (O Spe IV)
    Relaxed nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Trick Room
    - Reflect
    - Light Screen
    - Wish

    Audino sets up Trick Room for my team early on. Because of TR, Audino is now faster than most foes and can easily set up either one of the screens. Because of the screen, it's most likely that she was able to survive the second attack. That allows her to either set-up the other screen, or switch out. Best case scenario, she sets up trick room, both screens, makes a wish and switch to another Pokemon, healing up with regenerator and healing the other Pokemon with her wish.

    Any comments? I'm hoping maybe you could suggest more efficient EVs? I just max'd HP and made both defenses equal.
  4. haunter

    haunter Banned deucer.

    Aug 6, 2007
    If you can "predict" a TTar switch in then just use grass knot. It has 120 BP against TTar and is a guaranteed 2hko. Also, if you desperately need to get rid off TTar you can also run a mixed set with earthquake. I used your set back in 4th gen (I had thunder in the last slot) and it was not bad, especially since it supported rain sweeper nicely. Now you may probably prefer things like Tornadus for that job since they're faster and have prankster.
  5. MaestroXXVI


    Jun 20, 2011
    @ Mewcario: That doesn't really matter, 1 IV anywhere doesn't do anything

    Just mathematically, Surf will slightly outdamage HP Fighting:

    Surf: 95 BP * 1.5 Rain = 142.5, 142 * 2 SE = 284 Power
    HP Fighting: 70 BP * 4 SE = 280 Power

    And just sayin, HP Fire still dents Scizor, even in rain
  6. Chinese Dood

    Chinese Dood

    Aug 15, 2008
    Just want to mention though:

    In the rain:
    HP Fire's base power = 70 * 4 / 2 = 140
    Surf's base power = 95 * 1.5 = 142

    So, you might as well be using surf if we're talking about Scizor... and in the rain. Versus Ferrothorn however, of course HP Fire has its use.
  7. Techniloom


    Dec 7, 2011
    Rechargeable Hitmonlee.

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    Hitmonlee @ Cell battery
    Ability: Unburden
    EVs: 44 Hp / 252 Atk / 212 Spe ( 152 Hp / 252 Atk / 104 Spe)
    Nature: Adamant / Jolly
    - Hi Jump Kick / Close Combat
    - Stone Edge / Bulk Up
    - Blaze Kick / Bulk Up
    - Earthquake / Bulk Up

    Come in on a Electric attack and Watch the magic unfold. Hi Jump Kick for Extreme power but if you don't like the Shaky accuracy Close Combat is an alternative. Stone Edge provides great coverage with your Fighting move of choose but does have that terrible accuracy. Blaze Kick and Earthquake rounds of the coverage by hitting Heracross and Toxicroak respectively. Bulk Up can be used over any of your coverage moves to get more bulk and power when things switch. Adamant nature is used because the extra power is helpful while he can still outspeed everything he needs without a positive nature. 252 Atk for maximum damage, 212 Spe EVs are for outspeeding CS latios after the unburden boost while the rest are dumped in to Hp for a bit extra bulk. A spread of 152 Hp / 252 Atk / 104 Spe Jolly Nature still lets you outspeed Latios while also letting you take the Electric hits better, but the Attack Drop is noticable.
  8. The Reptile

    The Reptile bug a best
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    Sep 16, 2011
    (late reply, forgot about this thread)

    I did not, as I just ran the calc again with -1 Spa EV and I got 71.3% - 84.2%, which doesn't change much, and Surf is still the better answer.
  9. Nova

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    Nov 13, 2011
    Sounds very interesting, testing this out
  10. Techniloom


    Dec 7, 2011
    Thanks I have been using it very effectively with all those T-Bolts, Thunders and Volt Switchs going about. He takes then pretty well with his great SpD but it's a shame that Cell Battery doesn't stop the damage.
  11. BTzz

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    May 22, 2011
    Jellicent @ Life Orb / Spash Plate
    Trait: Water Absorb
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
    (0 Spd IV)
    Quiet nature (+SAtk, -Spe)
    - Trick Room
    - Hydro Pump / Water Spout
    - Shadow Ball / Ice Beam
    - Energy Ball / Recover

    OTR Jellicent is tons of fun on a rain team. As you can see, it's pretty difficult to find the perfect moveset. Life Orb + Water Spout should only be used with Recover. Spash Plate boost Water Spout while maintaining it's power. Hydro Pump is a good alternative to Water Spout, but the accuracy and drop in power may become an issue. Energy Ball hits Gastrodon and Quag. Recover is nice for survivability. It let's you retain Water Spout's Power / heal off LO damage, although it hampers sweeping capability by burning TR turns and losing coverage. Your ideal support is Rain, a spinner and a wish passer. This set suffers from just being too weak outside of rain. It's great late game though and against offensive teams. inb4 somalia reference
  12. Nova

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    Nov 13, 2011
    Ya it would be really nice if it did stop the damage, but then it'd be too OP on things like Gyarados
  13. Techniloom


    Dec 7, 2011
    I think it should atleast take half the damage because it is meant to be absorbing the energy. but you know gamefreak never do anything that seems right.
  14. Vein


    Nov 27, 2011
    goddam this thread got 85 pages. i don't know if serp is already here but i found a good moveset which shows great support and power:

    Serperior @ Light Clay
    Ability: Contrary
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
    -- Light Screen
    -- Reflect
    -- Leaf Storm
    -- HP Ice/HP Fire/HP Rock

    After deo-s was gone, I need somebody to run dual screens for my offensive team and I found this guy. In OU, the only non-scarfed poke who can outspeed him is starmie. Then contrary+leaf storm makes him abuse the screens himself.
  15. JellyOs


    Aug 17, 2010
    Favorite set right now:
    Gengar @ Expert Belt
    Mild (+Spa/-Def)
    176 Atk/240 Spa/96 Spe
    -Focus Punch
    -Icy Wind
    -Shadow Ball

    Outspeeds all neutral 80's, 2HKO on Blissey after Lefties, Icy Wind is great for prediction when you don't wanna waste HP and sub up, and it's actually more powerful than the standard Gar. Not supposed to sweep with him :P You could do 176 Atk/84 Spa/252 Spe with a timid nature, but I much prefer this one for power
  16. lmitchell0012

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    Mar 23, 2010
    This thread hasn't seen any activity for several weeks, so I thought I'd post something here. I don't know if anyone has suggested this, but I'd like to suggest a tangela set.

    Tangela @ eviolite
    252 Hp/252 Def/4 SpD
    -Sleep Powder
    -Leech Seed
    -Substitute/Knock Off/Reflect

    This is pretty much the best set tangela can run with it's limited movepool. It loses out on a lot of physical attacks by not evolving, including earthquake, brick break, and rock slide. On the positive side, tangela's base defense isn't that much lower than his older brother tangrowth (only 22 points lower when maxed out).

    The strategy behind this set is simple. Come in on something that you wall completely (such as dugtrio after he makes his kill) and put them to sleep. On the turn the opponent switches out, you can set up a substitute, use knock off, set up reflect, or hit them with toxic.

    This set is extremely vulnerable to opposing grass types and xatu (in UU) (such as roserade and shaymin), so this set is best paired with something that can deal with them (such as chandelure). The OU metagame may be a little too fast paced and hard hitting for tangela, but in the lower tiers he can severely cripple teams that aren't prepared for him.
  17. Immoral Wombat

    Immoral Wombat

    Aug 23, 2010
    Well, why wouldn't you just use Reflect instead of Psycho Shift + Flame Orb? It doubles defense as well, doesn't damage Latias, allows it to hold a usefull item, and supports the team.
  18. puking_rainbows


    Jul 1, 2010
    Here's the pokemon I recommend. I'm sorry if the concept doesn't really fit or if it's not as original as expected. ​

    Archeops @ [​IMG] (Rock Gem)
    Ability: Defeatist
    Adamant nature (+Atk, -Sp.Atk)
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    ~ Head Smash
    ~ Acobatics
    ~ Earthquake
    ~ U-Turn

    Probably one of my most succesful leads I’ve ever tried out as it almost always can take, at least, one of the other foe's team mates. His ability... well, sometimes it may seem a drawback and in some situations it actually is. What’s his problem, then? His lack of recovery, of course. It needs Wish support, I can make his survavility easier. He will last, then, longer and hit harder. Recovery is so important especially because Head Smash’s recoil damage which, on many occasions, can take almost half of his HP on one turn.

    His speed is incredible and can outspeed most common leads and not leads. Notice the object he’s equiped with: Rock gem, instead of Flying gem. Adamant nature, combined with Head Smash and Rock gem, along with his super speed and being a STAB, will almost always mean a OHKO to the opposing pokemon. It doen’t really matter its type nor its stats because almost always the foe will be destroyed (statistics will be added later on). Because of the recoil damage, Wish support is needed.

    Because Rock Gem is consumed this first turn, Acrobatis will double its power. Scizor and the likes of it will be defeated easier. But let’s not be cofused and don’t forget that Archeops is, in fact, frail. You have to be cautious which pokemon you want Archeops to face, as he hates priority moves as Bullet Punch. Lastly, Earthquake adds nice coverage on the overall, as well as U-Turn, which allows to deal some damage, although minimal, and switch pokemon while keeping the pace of the battle.
  19. Pocket

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    Dec 22, 2004
    Yea, Tangela's bulk is really underrated; I remember getting owned by SJCrew's Tangela a couple of months ago. Tangela can definitely make use of its decent base 100 SpA to hurt physical sweepers, such as Dragonite, Landorus, and Terrakion, with HP Ice and Giga Drain / Leaf Storm. Giving Tangela some offensive presence is crucial to prevent it from being set-up bait for mons like SubDDNite or Sub Landorus, for instance.
  20. royzizzle


    Sep 29, 2010
    Anti-Hazard setter xatu/espeon: Bold, 252HP, 252Def, Rocky Helmet
    HP fire
    Grass Knot
    roost/morning sun

    switch on a hazard setter to either reflect back hazards or take the hit. if taking the hit, rocky helmet will likely take a chunk off of their health which breaks sturdy (fortress, ferro, donphan, etc...) use grass knot for ground/waters and HP fire for steels, psychic is for tentacruel
    xatu can also run thunderwave if a switch is imminent
  21. Tenodera


    Mar 27, 2011
    Yanmega @ Life Orb
    252 SpA/252 Spe/4 Def
    Bug Buzz
    Air Slash
    HP Ice/Giga Drain

    Specs Tinted Lens Yanmega is known for being incredibly threatening to switch in on, yet easily dispatched by faster Pokemon. This Yanmega takes advantage of the opponent's attempted sacrifice to set up Tailwind, boosting its speed and keeping the nigh-unwallable quality of Tinted Lens. Ideally, it will then be able to take down two or three Pokemon, possibly including its supposed revenge-killer. Before attempting a sweep with this set, any Special walls should be lured out earlier by revealing Tinted Lens. HP Ice takes precedence in the 4th slot because unlike the traditional SpecsMega, it's imperative to get OHKOs on multiple Pokemon rather than 2HKOing a switch-in. Giga Drain hits Terrakion slightly harder, but its uses are more limited.

    Of course, by virtue of being Yanmega, this set is best suited to UU play. I post it here because the UU Creative Movesets thread is much less active than this one.
  22. Chatter


    Jan 20, 2012
    Well, I have never tried Yanmega before and don't know really what to say... I have also never tried UU. . . I guess the double speed from Tailwind would be good and Yanmega could die from 10 Life Orb attacks if it comes in on something it threatens. I don't know :3 but I do like the Archeops. The attack with Rock Smash with rock Gem WILL OHKO most of the time.

    Dusclops @ Eviolite
    Trait: Pressure
    Evs: 252 HP/ 252 Def/ 4 SDef
    Timid Nature (+ Def, - Atk)
    Pain Split

    I love this set. The thought process was that looking at the poor Gengar who had no defense that could use sub-disable I though why not Dusclops? He has enough bulk that not many common attackers in the metagame can break his sub. Then, he can use disable and go into something that benefeits from it! Next, this set completly shuts down Sub-Disable Gengar itself. In fact it can completly PP stall it. I have a battle log with this so if anyone wants to read it plz ask!

    This was made by both me and my friend/tutor (not an official Smogon tutor) Navikiller. It has had great success so far and really works with one of my favorite pokemon!
  23. DDRMaster


    Jun 26, 2008
    That Dusclops just seems like Taunt bait to me. (At least I think it is; I can't remember if Pain Split is stopped by Taunt). Gliscor is particularly troublesome as it can even switch into Will-O-Wisp if its Toxic Orb has been activated. This is why I think you should use Night Shade over either Will-O-Wisp or Pain Split.

    Night Shade allows you to wear down Pokemon that can't do anything to you faster than Will-O-Wisp will and you can use a Pokemon with Wish to get you back up to full health when you want to come back in.

    [​IMG] (Man, Spiritomb is creepier than I thought.)
    Spiritomb @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef (Feel free to try to find a better spread.)
    Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
    - Sucker Punch
    - Pursuit
    - Psychic
    - Pain Split

    IMO, this is the best Pokemon to trap and kill annoying Pokemon like Espeon, Alakazam, Wobbuffet, and Chandelure (mainly if you're playing Dream World). These Pokemon are often forced to do little damage to Spiritomb as it wears them down with Pursuit or outright KO's them if they switch. Sucker Punch is the priority move of choice to take out more potent threats like Specs Latios and Chandelure. Shadow Sneak would be an alternative, but Spiritomb needs the extra power as even frail Pokemon like Alakazam and Gengar aren't OHKO'd by it.

    The last two moves are what sets this Spiritomb apart from the standard Choice Band set. Psychic makes this Spiritomb a good check for Fighting-types like Mienshao, Toxicroak, and Conkeldurr and means it's not set up fodder for Keldeo and Terrakion. Will-O-Wisp could go in this slot to cripple most Fighting-types as well as Steel-types that switch in, but that would do nothing to Sub Toxicroak, Keldeo, and Special Lucario and would actually benefit Conkeldurr.

    Pain Split is Spiritomb's only form of recovery outside of Rest, which would be a terrible idea this gen with the new sleep mechanics. Pain Split also deals damage to the opponent and is a great move to use after Spiritomb has taken out a Pokemon. Most Pokemon can't OHKO Spiritomb if it's in good health, so it can simply take an attack from whatever comes in and take a chunk of its HP away while healing it back to enough health to take another hit when it comes back in. This makes that Pokemon much easier to take down by the rest of the team.
  24. Raverist


    Apr 27, 2008
    This just occurred to me that there IS one good spinner in OU that can remove any hazards in the face of anything.

    Craeful, 252 HP / 200 Sp.Def /56 Defence
    -Rapid Spin
    -Odor Sleuth
    -Toxic/Ice Shard

    This is so simple it's fireworks. In conjunction with the criminally underused Odor Sleuth, Donphan becomes capable of removing entry hazards in the face of ghosts who would switch into him. In the same manner that allows Hitmontop to perform exceptionally as a spinner, so too does Donphan possess the power to remove hazards from whatever's in sight. Running Toxic allows Donphan some leeway in crippling Jellicent, while Ice Shard allows for some priority hits. However the main role here is for the little elephant to get Odor Sleuth in on a ghost switch-in, and utilising Sturdy with Leftovers to help remove threats as such. A heavy investment in special defence is utilised to allow Donphan the ability to take a Scald from Jellicent and other special attacks from the high number of specially-biased ghosts.
  25. shadowxevo


    May 2, 2011
    The thing about Donphan is that it can't stop some of the most used Ghost types in the game (i.e. Jellicent, who proceeds to burn you), or just gets downright OHKO'd (Or 2 hit-KO'd, in the case of Sturdy). However, if you really need that Rapid Spin in (in the case of, for example, for a Volcarona), then it might just be worth it. However, I think Hitmontop does it better.

    Now, stupid Xevo time! XD

    Dragonite @ Chesto Berry
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -Sp. Atk)
    Ev's: 4 Def, 252 Atk, 252 Spd
    ~ Dragon Dance
    ~ Dragon Claw
    ~ Fire Punch
    ~ Rest

    You know how annoying it is, when you think you have that Kingdra almost dead and poisoned, with 4 DD's up, and then it Rest's on you? Well, this thing is like, twelve times more annoying, due to its unique ability; Multiscale. Your opponent will most likely try and poison Dragonite, to make sure Multiscale doesn't go through. This set usually gets 2 - 3 DD ups before it has to Rest, and it can almost assuredly take another shot, while being a almost full after you get the boosts. From there... Well, you know what happens from there.
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