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Over the past few weeks, the qc team has been working on Dragonite, and while they’ve been working, we've slowly gone through each of its sets. Fortunately we've more or less finished right now. I'm going to be posting on their behalf. Prepare yourself...!
Overview
Offensive Dragon Dance
Bulky Dragon Dance
Choice Band
Parashuffler
Mixed Attacker (Rain)
The main set should look like this:
move 1: Hurricane
move 2: Superpower / Aqua Tail / Earthquake
move 3: Thunder
move 4: Roost / Extreme Speed / Outrage
Tank (Rain)
Mixed Attacker (Classic)/ Classic MixNite
Checks and Counters
Over the past few weeks, the qc team has been working on Dragonite, and while they’ve been working, we've slowly gone through each of its sets. Fortunately we've more or less finished right now. I'm going to be posting on their behalf. Prepare yourself...!
Overview
- Genesect needs a strong mention here. It hinders Dragonite pretty badly and is pretty much everywhere. The overview needs a revamp since it's outdated.
Offensive Dragon Dance
- You should mention that Adamant Dragonite is outsped by Choice Scarf Politoed.
- Set needs to mention that the existence of Genesect is a serious thorn on its side. Genesect's omnipresence is annoying after MS has been used, because it will consistently revenge kill it. The name change is fine
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Otherwise, Fire Punch is more useful as a coverage move, as it is boosted by Dragon Dance and deals more damage to other Steel- and Grass-types, namely Jirachi and Virizion
- Replace the Virizion with Forretress.
Although Dragonite will lose Multiscale upon attacking, Life Orb makes Dragonite much harder to wall, as it grants Dragonite a 2HKO on Quagsire, for instance; the item also enhances the revenge killing potential of ExtremeSpeed.- Quagsire is no longer relevant in OU. Replace its mention with Jellicent & Vaporeon, both of whom are ohkoed by +1 LO Outrage.
Bulky Dragon Dance
- No objections here. This set is getting scrapped, and the remains are being moved to the AC of the Dragon Dance set.
Choice Band
- Keep Adamant as the primary nature and mention Jolly in AC. You need Adamant to get several KOs (the guaranted ohko on defensive Politoed after SR, the guaranteed 2hko on skarm with fire punch after SR) and it just dishes out ridiculous damage on average. Max speed Heatran is basically the only reason why Jolly would be considered (a short mention on how Jolly Dnite outspeeds Heatran should suffice). Incidentally, Adamant Outrage 2hkoes 0hp heatran after SR (relevant against modest tran i suppose). Everything else is good. Remove the Hitmontop mention.
- Forretress needs a bigger mention. It's the de-facto partner Dragon-type Choice Banders. Forretress can remove the hazards that have been set up by the likes of Ferrothorn, Deoxys-D and Forretress that switch into Outrage and it has good defensive synergy with Dragonite. (also helps with that SR weakness)
Parashuffler
- Toss out the Hitmontop mention. Replace its mention with standard spinners (Tentacruel / Forretress / Starmie)
Mixed Attacker (Rain)
The main set should look like this:
move 1: Hurricane
move 2: Superpower / Aqua Tail / Earthquake
move 3: Thunder
move 4: Roost / Extreme Speed / Outrage
- Superpower destroys Tyranitar / damages Ferrothorn. Aqua Tail is a pseudo STAB move in the rain and it primarily targets Thundurus-T and specially defensive Gliscor, but its weak outside of rain. You can't really pass up Thunder in the rain. Roost and Extremespeed are interchangeable (healing vs priority) while Outrage is just a strong physical attacking move (smacks around Blissey if you're not using Superpower and Thundurus-T if you are using Superpower)
- Dragonite should be using 180 Speed EVs to outspeed max speed Timid Magnezone.
Tank (Rain)
- Just use the a Calm 252 HP / 252 SpD spread. The special attack EVs are unnecessary.
Mixed Attacker (Classic)/ Classic MixNite
- So QC as a whole decided to straight up remove Mixed Dragonite. While every single set can cling onto the fact they're "unique" this set is straight up worse than Salamence and Hydreigon. Yes, Multiscale is differentiating factor, however you're not going to keep MS for more than 1 turn on average. Mixed Attacker Dragonite isn't a bad set, but it's an opportunity cost on Dragonite, moreso than any of its other sets. We actually tested this set, and it was very disappointing.
- Go ahead and remove the 12 speed evs and dump them into hp / spa.
Checks and Counters
- Genesect needs a major mention here. It's Dragonite's best offensive counter, and its omnipresent. It shouldn't be placed in the same category as the other scarfers since they're marginal checks at best.