I think you're underestimating how much damage Waterfall might do (and of course the Flinch) especially if Gyrados is weakened. He is probably better off then most but it's hardly a sure thing.also its 100% safe to do bounce since with those move and since its pointless to use non scarf ditto(i assume everyone though this correct me if im wrong) gyara beat ditto = result. Gosh first scizor BP is his set up bait now even ditto cant stand a chance against him ?
I think he's probably thinking a slower Bounce is better (they bounce/you bounce, they come down and miss/you come down and hit) but that's assuming the Ditto uses Bounce as its first move.
I suppose if you could survive Ditto's Waterfall you might win with a Bounce.
That's fine with me, I'd rather have Intimidate.
i now i just thought about that.I think you're underestimating how much damage Waterfall might do (and of course the Flinch) especially if Gyrados is weakened. He is probably better off then most but it's hardly a sure thing.
you forget that Bounce and Waterfall form perfect neutral coverage to anything not named dialga and empoleonwhere's bounce on the DD set? it's gyara's strongest attack, and deals with grass types admirably.
Zekrom and Lanturn and Rotom-w.you forget that Bounce and Waterfall form perfect neutral coverage to anything not named dialga and empoleon
It could be a DW move, though. I wouldn't discount the possibility just yet.And Gyarados can't learn Bounce with Overconfidence.
yeah they can but i tell ya only a stupid person (well except when they have a really big plan which is risky too) switch on bouncing gyara.i have a question. bounce may be gyrados's strongest attack but it takes 2 turns to use(it goes up in the air and then atks, correct me if im wrong)that means the opponent can switch in that 2 turn time period.
yeah they can but i tell ya only a stupid person (well except when they have a really big plan which is risky too) switch on bouncing gyara(when gyara is in bouncing position).
30% Para hax is huge enough to be a risky attempt.
Now gyara's problem is Rotom-W so i think Gyara paired with Doryuzuu and Jaroda could work. The Sea Serpent The Mole and The Devil lol
nowadays stone edge is somehow rare like hell. it might because of the less risky alternate perfect coverage in form of Earthquake Waterfall Bounce. Still gyara is a huge threatIt could be a DW move, though. I wouldn't discount the possibility just yet.
Gyarados shouldn't be beating Ditto... unless it's bulky enough to not die from a +1 Stone Edge and can also OHKO Ditto back (which makes some sense, since Gyarados actually has good defenses).
That would be Metagross IMO (Explosion nerf, no new moves and useless new ability FTW). Though Gyara has some competition with even Feraligatr now (Encourage >_>)I don't know about anyone else, but to me Gyarados seems like the most nerfed OU Pokemon in B/W.
Yea, it'll be interesting to see how popular RestTalk Gyara will be this gen, since it was fairly common on stall teams in gen 4. Offensive Gyara has swept me once or twice in the last couple of days because i keep forgetting how dangerous it is to sacrifice a pokemon to it. Tho once the metagame evolves, i doubt offensive gyarados will be as effective.I agree that Dos' future role will focus more on defense. The DD + three attacks set is awesome right now, but that's mainly because Salamence is gone. Dos will have to compete with tons of new sweepers in B/W, and the only great benefit I see to him is how he compliments the mole.
does not existIf swimming goggles boost his speed, is may not be necessary to give 252 EV's towards speed. Max speed is good, but he may not even need it after a dragon dance when you factor in the swim goggles boost. This will make gyarados a little bit bulkier, which always helps in OU.