NOC Medieval Mafia - Game Over: Majora's Maskians Win

[Ace Emerald]

Ace Emerald on the other hand, has contributed a grand total of nothing to conversation. Even when he is called out for it, his response is essentially, oh please I have no experience please don’t make me actually do anything. His posts have (arguably) less content than mine have, and the player who he subbed in for was very suspicious. On top of all this, when called out for this by other players, he simply jumps on the easiest bandwagon possible, and not providing any sound reasoning at all. The reason I posted that I was persuaded only a bit before deadline is because Spiffy sent me the pm literally just before deadline “oh I forgot to send you this it is kinda important.” Ace Emerald would probably be a good lynch.

I was called out by other players to tell who I thought was scummiest and I did. I have actually tried for this game, which is more than many can say, and I'm genuinely sorry that my scum hunting is sub par. I have no problem with doing work, and I would appreciate is you didn't make it seem like I'm pussy-ing out because I don't feel like doing anything.

 

[jumpluff]

Also I had a completely random thought while I was walking today. What if the mask makes people flip village when they die, that could explain why it has stopped being passed around (which I think it has, since billy hasn’t commented).

I like this theory, but hate it and sincerely hope the hosts would never include anything so broken. It's pretty much as broken as cardflip off. Also, you'd think they'd leave it on Quagsires. At the moment I'm concluding mask is an anti-inspection item or their team kill or something.

(Hi <3)

I agree with Ace Emerald that askaninjask needs to come back. It's difficult for me to call him out on lynching j^2 when so did billymills, who appears to be clean, and so did I for that matter (I was the one who kept calling him out over the days), but it is true that he has largely not drawn much attention to himself, and somehow has escaped all the brief moments of attention he has garnered, particularly from Yeti. However, I would like to see Ace Emerald substantiate his gut feeling if possible.

Paperblade hasn't posted in nine days, by the way. I find inactivity from a formerly prominent member in the thread far more bothersome than inactives staying inactive. It's probably fair to say he lost interest, but he could at least indicate that. I sure hope there isn't a silencer or anything.

@@Lynch Dummy007@@

Scummy (for reasons I talked about in #655, pretty much) and then disappeared. Lynching total inactives won't do anything but apparently lynching active people doesn't either, so I'm taking the middle ground.

 

[askaninjask]

Sorry about not being active for a while. My entire Saturday was eaten up by real-life obligations and since then I haven't found the will to catch up in the thread. Alright, the will has been found and I'm going to respond to what everyone's saying.

<yeti #885>

This is in no way calling you out aska, just something that I noticed. I know that I may be missing some of the context of this, but nobody has addressed what Yeti had said the night before she died, so I thought this would be worth bringing up.

I don't even know how to respond to this. Obviously, I haven't been the "perfect villager"; I've made a bunch of mistakes throughout the game (see: j-squared). As for not being suspected, I don't really know, but it's probably just has to do with me being active? Most of the lynches, especially on day 1, were either on inactives or UncleSam.

I also don't actually follow Yeti's logic. Quag flipping scum makes me suspicious... how? I'd be more than happy to answer any suspicions anyone has, but I don't see anything substantial behind this statement to answer.

Obviously, the j-squared roll was a mistake, but it made sense to me at the time. The best info we have is the Quagsires scumflip, and I tried to work from that to get a decent target for a lynch. The lynch wound up being on the wrong person, and I apologize for leading a lynch on him.

Also, this Engineer Pikachu roll is dumb. Bone Ullar is not intelligent enough to put together a coherent enough lie to pretend to be a backup for the village. If I'm missing something here, let me know, since I have absolutely no idea what anyone on this lynch is thinking.

I'd like to hear more from @@vote kingofkongs@@, who has been functionally gone/inactive for most of this game. His posts ahve all either been jokes or strangely forced-sounding (ALMOST as though people are telling him what to say). I'd like him to post a bit more often as well as answer this suspicion.

Apart from that, I would not mind lynching someone more big-name today. I think billymills and jumpluff look pretty clean to me, but people like BT, Paperblade, and zorbees have gone relatively scot-free through these lynches.

Christ, this post is disorganized; I hope you guys can decipher what I meant to say. I've probably missed a bunch, too. If I've missed something particularly important let me know and I'll post on it tomorrow.

 

[Acklow]

Okay, I figure that jumpluff meant Acklow, not Ace Emerald because AE hasn't posted a single thing about a gut feeling and askaninjask. I did.

In any event, I will elaborate on that in a bit.

Upon doing some research on Yeti and j-squared, they both seemed to agree on one thing:
Blue_Tornado's scumminess. j-squared Post #806 and Yeti post #804 really stand out. I can pull up more: j-squared Post #794.

So in their eyes, Blue_Tornado was clearly scum. I would like to see if anyone agrees with their sentiment, seeing as BOTH flipped village and BOTH were scrutinized for being scum. I do.

As for askaninjask:
Post #782 and Post #905 were the only posts I found (I didn't want to look for more because I was slightly lazy) that tried to incriminate both j-squared and Yeti.

Edit: Well fuck, aska posts... In any event, aska, reading back, I don't think you are TOO scummy, but I still warrant you having some scumminess due to you having some bad blood with Yeti in the past. So, tbh, that's all I have. This is all just hypothetical scumminess, bro.

I'm more interested, however, in Blue_Tornado now. I will keep my vote on EP until Engineer Pikachu puts up a viable defense, otherwise I have every reason to vote BT at this point in time.

Okay, after a bit of deliberation,

@@Unvote@@
@@Vote Blue_Tornado@@

I have a good feeling you are scum because a) you have scrutinized both Yeti and j-squared for being scum, b) don't make quality posts, if I were to put you into a category with other users, I'd toss you in there with Crux, but at least Crux seems to be trolling, whereas you aren't, and c) most everyone, especially Yeti and j-squared have agreed that you seem very scummy. I think at this point in time, not voting you could very well be a major mistake on my side and the rest of the village.

 

[kingofmars]

So I heard a user by the name of askaninjask is wanting my thoughts on shit. I'll admit, I don't have a whole lot of them tbh. However, I do disagree with a B_T lynch, mainly because he very clearly speaks his mind and isn't trying so hard to fit in so that others won't suspect him. I was thinking of an EP lynch until I read Zorbees' #1048, since it actually makes sense. Yes I am basically copying what hes saying as my reasoning for not voting for him, shut up. Not voting ace until someone gives better reasoning than "Brammi was an eccentric mother fucker and Ace isn't saying jack shit" for lynching him. Also, I read Brammi's behavior more as him doing shit from a different website and trying to transfer that into Smogon Mafia. More than willing to change my mind though if someone comes up with some good reasons (note: they may have been posted already and I didn't see)

 

[Engineer Pikachu]

Yeah, unfortunately I have absolutely no clue what to say here :/

What Acklow and Crux have misconstrued as my entire argument (i.e. to quote Crux “I subbed in therefore I’m clean”) was part of my response (first quote) to j-squared's only reason to lynch me, aka the reason we lynched him afaik. I've also provided what I believe to be a justification of SCall's (and by extension, Ditto's) reaction on D1 to Quags claiming AC. I have no clue what I need to do to prove that I'm clean, so ask me more questions and I'll try to answer them if that helps?

I agree with most people here in that BT is kind of pretty really suspicious, as I talked about a long time ago here, even before j-squared was lynched. Moreover, during the day of the j-squared lynch and afterwards, he's proven himself to be hypocritical; see this and this to see what I mean. Because of these factors, imo @@lynch Blue_Tornado@@ is the best lynch vote at this time.

Also since Acklow and maybe a few others don't seem to believe Ullar's claim, this is a confirmation -.-

 

[Acklow]

I have no clue what I need to do to prove that I'm clean, so ask me more questions and I'll try to answer them if that helps?

Fine then, please tell me what you think of Crux's persuasion vs. Leethoof's persuasion, as well as your thoughts on the j-squared mislynch.

 

[Lrr]

I got a posting prod but I am busy with finals and projects til the end of the phase, so unless anyone here is willing to write a 4000 word analysis on Origin for me within the next 48 hours I am going to be prioritizing that and the NPL game over this.

Quagsires flipped scum (told) so I am going to follow up with @@vote Engineer Pikachu@@ due to SCall's odd behavior and buddying with Quag

Edit: Words, not pages...

 

[Blue_Tornado]

"Enemy of dead town is clearly scum!"

Have we really degraded to this, now?

Gonna reread through the game proper today or tomorrow, seeing as I actually have free time now.

 

[jumpluff]

>>>>>>>>>>>

Pretty sure we've degraded long past that point, I'm just thrilled the subs are talking. That is, if you're talking about the aska thing, and I just think aska is worth some scrutiny anyways. If you mean Acklow, you're probably misrepresenting this:

I have a good feeling you are scum because a) you have scrutinized both Yeti and j-squared for being scum,

In fact I'm struggling to believe you don't know perfectly well that if someone repeatedly pushes lynches on townies it may well be scum-motivated (I know the obvious town-motivated explanation for it and am invoking it too for my two mislynches). In your case it's not just that Yeti and j^2 suspected you (because they might well have been wrong). However you took your vote off Yeti quickly enough when it failed to gain momentum and resisted the j^2 lynch so I don't consider that applicable.

Counterlynching is not a great strategy, no, but we have one (1) scumflip to go off.

Also jfc where did kok go. Honestly at this point I just hope we lose to spite all the inactive villagers (I am being a little sarcastic here), but then of course the inactive scum no doubt blending in among them are rewarded for their strategy so lol

 

[Blue_Tornado]

Actually I was referring to his use of Yeti's and j-squared's suspicions.

 

[jumpluff]

Yeah, I realised that and edited it in. Obviously I take j^2's suspicions with a grain of salt because I know them to be wrong (on me) or they are the obvious suspicions (on everyone else except maybe you), but they are still worth taking into consideration because they weren't scum-motivated.

Either way, thinking back, I think Crux and Brammi/AE may well be townies because of the persuasion thing, though of course then you get into WIFOM where they persuaded someone, inspected/killed it, then 'persuaded' their scumbuddies to clean them knowing Leethoof would vouch for them. So thus I doubt both users are clean, it seems to me mind-numbing that unless this mafia specialises in reverse psychology they would essentially 'clean' three users by earlygame persuading then helpfully providing flip data afterwards. Maybe two are good (note their pick of a newbie and two people constantly getting called out / threatened with lynch) and one of them (can't be Leethoof, naturally) is bad. Which one?? lol search me, reading Crux and Brammi is equally difficult and both had a habit of doing nothing / posting contentless posts, disappearing, then reappearing when called out...

 

[Dummy007]

Sorry, I had intended to post yesterday and then had to leave abruptly. :/

Anyway, thoughts:

Leethoof vs. Crux- I'm not sure what's left to say here (or, to be frank, exactly what we're comparing). I would assume that they were both persuaded (since Leethoof turned out village), but Crux's last-minute persuasion bothers me. I doubt Spiffy/Walrein would completely forget to send something as talked-about as a persuasion PM, especially in a game like this, which casts a pretty fair amount of suspicion on Crux.

Between A_E and Crux, though, I still think A_E is the more likely mafia considering Brammi's behavior when he was in the game. More thoughts will come later, as I, conveniently, have to leave abruptly again.

 

[SoulTorrent]

guys, I have a concerning hypothesis. I think I might be scum. I've gathered information and from what I can see, I'm keeping much to low a profile...since being subbed in, I haven't made a single post other than to state apparent confusion, which I believe may be in fact a ploy to feign the personality of a innocent, harmless villager so as not to arouse suspicion. Also, my role pm says I'm village....but I believe it may be a fake, sent to myself to convince even me that I was village, perhaps to nullify any hope of a village leader using methods such as waterboarding or truth serum to wrest the horrifying, dark truth of my identity. This all being said, isn't my name just suspicious? Or perhaps you are getting a bad vibe from me? Either way, I vote burn the soultorrent! and urge you all to do the same, for the sake of our beloved village. Or is this all some convoluted scum plot? In conclusion, my post obviously gives ample evidence that Ace Emerald is scum. An emerald playing card would be worth a lot of money, you know. Only mafia has that kind of money. From selling drugs.

 

[Yeti]

the above post makes me so happy i am already dead.

 

[kingofmars]

Fuck this I can't fit that entire post into my sig

 

[j-squared]

Posting on my phone just to say lolz @ SoulTorrent

I totally agree my princess.

 

[billymills]

@@Vote kingofkongs@@

blah blah say something interesting.

 

[jumpluff]

Also jfc where did kok go.

If the substitutes can post constructively, so can you, kok, especially with the effort I went to in order to encourage you to.

I'd vote you, but I'm awaiting a follow-up from Dummy007.

I am not dignifying SoulTorrent's post with a proper response btw.

 

[Acklow]

"Enemy of dead town is clearly scum!"

Have we really degraded to this, now?

Gonna reread through the game proper today or tomorrow, seeing as I actually have free time now.

First of all, how is that degrading? I'm going off of instinct and off of what others who have died AND flipped VILLAGE said. The fact that they flipped village means that their opinions should be carefully examined and therefore there is a likely chance they are more right than you think. If this was Day 2 and I was posting that kind of stuff, of course it would be degrading, but this far into the game? I think not. Like j-squared pointed out, after playing Peace NOCed Down Mafia, trusting my instincts has become one of the greater parts of my gameplay in NOC games. So therefore, I feel that I have every right to point out what others in the past have said about you. They may be wrong, but I can't call it coincidence that two people who were thought to be scum, and who thought you were, would BOTH die and would BOTH flip village.

In other words, I value their opinions much more than I value yours because they now have credibility whereas all you have are your past posts, which haven't really been content-driven my friend.

 

[Engineer Pikachu]

Fine then, please tell me what you think of Crux's persuasion vs. Leethoof's persuasion, as well as your thoughts on the j-squared mislynch.

RE: Crux's and Leethoof's persuasions

To me, there's not much that's suspicious about them two getting persuaded in and of itself; the only similarities that I can draw from looking at their posts is that they only posted their persuasion vote relatively late in the day, with Leethoof "forgetting" about it and Crux not saying anything until Leethoof asked the persuaded person to come out. The only thing that's slightly suspicious to me, however, is the speed in which Leethoof confirmed hook flavor, but you can't really draw any conclusions from that :/ I strongly doubt that the persuade (scum) would target two of their own in a row, though, but I do get the feeling that one of them might be a mafia.

RE: j-squared lynch

Looking back on the lynch, BT actually seems somewhat cleaner in my eyes now, and to be quite honest, I'm not quite sure why we decided to lynch "the King." However, since I wasn't as active as I would've liked during that period, I can't really say for certain that there wasn't a good reason. The only thing that I can pull out from this lynch is Rediamond's 1011, in which his argument for lynching j-squared was "he's done nothing town and ditto was scummy," which, while somewhat true, didn't reflect the last couple pages at all.

Hope this helped?

 

[Dummy007]

Let me begin Part II by saying:

I am not dignifying SoulTorrent's post with a proper response btw.

Now that that's cleared up...
The mislynch of j-squared: In all honesty, I think he had it coming to him. Ditto didn't act clean when he was in the game, and j-squared didn't do anything to remedy this with his tenure in the thread. However, j-squared's death does provide a few potential insights into other players:

Brammi / Ace Emerald: Brammi buddied Quagsires D1 (as most of us are aware), as did Ditto, which indicates that Brammi may very well have been supporting on gut and been wrong as opposed to being mafia (again, like Ditto). Not strong evidence by any means, but it's something to consider. (This does not mean that I don't think AE is pretty scummy, because I do.)

Staraptor Call / UllarWarlord / Engineer Pikachu: Pretty much the same as Brammi/AE, although SCall buddied less than Brammi did. I think j-squared turning up village is even better for EP's security than AE's (also, AE is on the verge of getting lynched, so he kind of has no security atm).

Outside of this, I don't think j-squared's death was too beneficial.

@Acklow, regarding Yeti's mislynch: Yeti was nightkilled, not lynched, so...no comment.

In my opinion, the three scummiest users at this point are Ace_Emerald, Crux, and Blue_Tornado (in that order); I think I'll @@Lynch MrcRanger97@@ for the time being, however, to prod for inactivity. I'll be on tomorrow, so this vote is definitely non-binding.

If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

(As a side note, the overuse of the word 'scummy' in this thread is really throwing me for a loop, as I keep thinking it says 'Dummy' whenever I see it, and my first response is "You called?")

 

[Acklow]

@Acklow, regarding Yeti's mislynch: Yeti was nightkilled, not lynched, so...no comment.

Heh, I was hoping someone would notice, just making sure you people are paying attention.

Blue_Tornado: Alright, there's one thing that has been itching on my mind atm, and it is this post and this post. Could you, at all at this point, reiterate? Please explain what this flavor was and why it implied that j-squared was king and most likely town. I have a good feeling j-squared was on the right track with some of his suspicions. I will look into that and include that in my evaluation later today.

B_T, if at all possible, please answer this question. I might be inclined to remove my lynch if I can see more out of you (not that it matters much, I mean a lynch vote is a lynch vote at this point, and really the only thing I'm trying to do is to get you people to talk more).

 

[jumpluff]

@@Lynch kingofkongs@@

I still honestly don't know who I want to lynch bindingly (tossing up Ace Emerald, Crux, Staraptor, and maaaaaaaaaaybe aska), but I'll tell you this: if kok doesn't come back and I don't think of a better target, I'm leaving my vote on him, because I'm at the point where I'm tired of making excuses for inactive people. Lynching uncooperative people? Well, #1 Mr. Uncooperative right now is kok, because Crux at least is playing along for now and MK was subbed out.

I think j-squared turning up village is even better for EP's security

Elaborate? I forget who said it (zorbees, I think), but 'I find it hard to believe the only scum who defended Quagsires was Quagsires'.

Anyways, going back through the thread to look at B_T's posts at some point.

 

[Crux]

The reason for my late persuasion is this: Spiffy is a fucking retard and forgot to send me the pm.

@@Lynch Blue_Tornado@@

I think he is probably scum, and I want to hear from him