Well, one thing that seems a little unfair is the fact that we keep changing the set--skarmory and bronzong are totally solid counters to the standard subSD set, even if garchomp can get around them by utilizing other options. There are few offensive OU pokemon that cannot get around every single one of their counters by running the appropriate set. The thing is though, if garchomp does not run substitute, it loses its ability to scout for misses, and it becomes infinitely easier to revenge-kill. If it doesn't have SD, all defensive checks are guaranteed to beat it. And if it runs fire fang > eq, it's much easier to wall by any defensive check not weak to fire--slowbro comes to mind, not to mention heatran. I get your point though, I just think that a counter can still be such even if there exists a set it loses to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat tehy
Why are we disregarding skarmory, pk? Plus 2 fire fang 2hitko's skarmory, unless it's lefties and no SR. So all it needs is one missed whirlwind and GG. Bronzong too. Yeah, i know you're talking about the sub set, but i've seen fire fang instead of EQ, not to mention that non-sub garchomp does still exist.
Oh eh well, yeah that's totally a thing and all, my bad haha. I didn't want to want to make Garchomp out to be some god, but yeah those calcs are pretty convincing.
Well there ya go. :happybrain:
And PK, no offense taken in any way :)