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I agree with that entire post.
Two things about nominations:
1) Cloyster? Cloyster???!!! How is that nomination justified, I wonder? I would ordinarily get the justification from the actual nom, but there's none there.
2) Raikaria is still on the Ferrothorn war-path. I didn't know that was still even being contemplated, lol. Anyway, Ferrothorn is not an auto-loss if you don't have Fighting or Fire moves (or if your user dies). It's harder to kill, but far from impossible. Any Grass type pretty much fucks it (hello Whimsicott Taunt, hello Virizion Focus Blast, hello Celebi Nasty Plot) and pretty much any bulky Substitute or Taunt user sets up on it or doesn't care about it. Starmie is the only common Rapid Spinner which Ferrothorn beats, and Fighting types are extremely common this Gen anyway.
I don't want to start this debate again, because I thought it ended, like, 60 pages ago. But I fail to see the logic of a Ferrothorn ban.
I agree with that entire post.
Two things about nominations:
1) Cloyster? Cloyster???!!! How is that nomination justified, I wonder? I would ordinarily get the justification from the actual nom, but there's none there.
2) Raikaria is still on the Ferrothorn war-path. I didn't know that was still even being contemplated, lol. Anyway, Ferrothorn is not an auto-loss if you don't have Fighting or Fire moves (or if your user dies). It's harder to kill, but far from impossible. Any Grass type pretty much fucks it (hello Whimsicott Taunt, hello Virizion Focus Blast, hello Celebi Nasty Plot) and pretty much any bulky Substitute or Taunt user sets up on it or doesn't care about it. Starmie is the only common Rapid Spinner which Ferrothorn beats, and Fighting types are extremely common this Gen anyway.
I don't want to start this debate again, because I thought it ended, like, 60 pages ago. But I fail to see the logic of a Ferrothorn ban.