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NU Discussion Thread [Ancient]
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Plus (literally), Klingklang's abilities are entirely worthless. At least Clear Body has some use in stopping Intimidate, Crunch drops, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I love the guy, he's one of my favourites of the generation. But he's not comparable to Metagross, by far. Gear Grind does help though, Substitute users quake in fear.
That's exactly what I said. I mean, they'll have the usage statistics, so they'll be able to calculate what would not make it into NU. They'll make a ladder for the metagame, just won't do any suspect testing.
Reading this, I understood you meant Unter would be a tier below NU, for those that didn't make the cut-off. But I guess we are talking about the same thing (NU having no suspect testing) so that's good.
If people were looking for a bulky support pokemon, well this tier has Alomomola.
165/75/80/40/45/65
Basically its a Vaporeon with more HP and Defense but with smaller offenses.
Set for her from the analysis by Delta 2777:
165/75/80/40/45/65
Basically its a Vaporeon with more HP and Defense but with smaller offenses.
Set for her from the analysis by Delta 2777:
Most of the pokemon that will be in the NU tier are relatively bulky and powerful pokemon like Druddigon, Emboar and Braviary to name a few. All three of them have no reliable recovery and would love Wish Support. Especially Druddigon and Emboar, since Alomomola resists Water (which Emboar is weak to) and resists Ice (which Druddigon is weak to).Delta 2777 said:
Another Pokemon in NU that is bulky is Throh.
Throh: 120/100/85/30/85/45
Throh is actually the bulkiest of the fighting types, and has a very good Bulk Up set:
move 1: Bulk Up
move 2: Circle Throw / Storm Throw
move 3: Payback
move 4: Stone Edge / Earthquake
item: Leftovers
ability: Guts
nature: Careful
evs: 208 HP / 48 Atk / 252 SpD
Circle Throw: Power 60. Fighting Type Variant of Dragon Tail. Priority = -6.
Storm Throw: Power 40. Always Crits.
Circle Throw with STAB rises to 90 Power.
Storm Throw with STAB and accounting for always Critting, rises to 120 Power.
Throh: 120/100/85/30/85/45
Throh is actually the bulkiest of the fighting types, and has a very good Bulk Up set:
move 1: Bulk Up
move 2: Circle Throw / Storm Throw
move 3: Payback
move 4: Stone Edge / Earthquake
item: Leftovers
ability: Guts
nature: Careful
evs: 208 HP / 48 Atk / 252 SpD
Circle Throw: Power 60. Fighting Type Variant of Dragon Tail. Priority = -6.
Storm Throw: Power 40. Always Crits.
Circle Throw with STAB rises to 90 Power.
Storm Throw with STAB and accounting for always Critting, rises to 120 Power.
I made a list of every full-evolved pokemon that would be allowed in NU based on the current RU usage stats, as well as the highest NFE forms also allowable in NU. I didn't separate out the absolute chaff though (such as Magikarp and Unown), so be warned.
Absol
Accelgor
Aipom
Alomomola
Altaria
Ampharos
Arbok
Archeops
Ariados
Armaldo
Articuno
Audino
Baltoy
Banette
Basculin
Bastiodon
Beartic
Beautifly
Beedrill
Beheeyem
Bellossom
Bibarel
Bouffalant
Braviary
Bronzor
Butterfree
Cacturne
Camerupt
Carnivine
Carracosta
Carvanha
Castform
Charmeleon
Chatot
Cherrim
Chimecho
Cinccino
Clefairy
Combusken
Corsola
Cottonee
Cradily
Crawdaunt
Croagunk
Croconaw
Cryogonal
Darumaka
Deerling
Delcatty
Delibird
Dewgong
Ditto
Dodrio
Dragonair
Drifblim
Drilbur
Druddigon
Dunsparce
Duosion
Duskull
Dustox
Dwebble
Eelektross
Electabuzz
Electrike
Electrode
Emboar
Emolga
Exeggutor
Exploud
Farfetch'd
Fearow
Feebas
Flareon
Floatzel
Foongus
Fraxure
Frillish
Furret
Gabite
Garbodor
Gardevoir
Gigalith
Girafarig
Glaceon
Glalie
Golbat
Golduck
Golem
Golurk
Gothitelle
Granbull
Grovyle
Growlithe
Grumpig
Gurdurr
Happiny
Haunter
Heatmor
Houndour
Huntail
Hypno
Illumise
Ivysaur
Joltik
Jumpluff
Jynx
Kabutops
Kadabra
Kangaskhan
Karrablast
Kecleon
Kingler
Klinklang
Koffing
Kricketune
Krokorok
Lairon
Lampent
Lanturn
Lapras
Larvesta
Leafeon
Leavanny
Ledian
Lickilicky
Liepard
Linoone
Lopunny
Ludicolo
Lumineon
Lunatone
Luvdisc
Luxray
Machoke
Magcargo
Magikarp
Magmortar
Magneton
Makuhita
Mankey
Mantine
Maractus
Marill
Marowak
Marshtomp
Masquerain
Mawile
Meditite
Meganium
Metang
Mienfoo
Mightyena
Minun
Misdreavus
Monferno
Mothim
Mr. Mime
Muk
Munchlax
Murkrow
Musharna
Nidorina
Nidorino
Ninjask
Noctowl
Octillery
Omanyte
Onix
Pachirisu
Parasect
Pawniard
Pelipper
Persian
Petilil
Phanpy
Phione
Pidgeot
Piloswine
Pineco
Pinsir
Plusle
Poliwhirl
Porygon
Prinplup
Probopass
Pupitar
Purugly
Quilava
Raichu
Rampardos
Rapidash
Raticate
Regice
Regigigas
Regirock
Relicanth
Rhydon
Riolu
Roselia
Rotom
Rotom-F
Rotom-S
Sableye
Samurott
Sandshrew
Sawk
Scraggy
Seadra
Seaking
Seismitoad
Serperior
Seviper
Shedinja
Shelgon
Shelder
Shellos
Shiftry
Shroomish
Shuckle
Simipour
Simisage
Simisear
Skorupi
Skuntank
Slaking
Slowking
Smeargle
Sneasel
Solrock
Spinda
Stantler
Staravia
Staryu
Stoutland
Stunfisk
Sudowoodo
Sunflora
Swalot
Swanna
Swellow
Swoobat
Tauros
Tentacool
Throh
Togetic
Torkoal
Torterra
Tropius
Tyrogue
Unfezant
Unown
Ursaring
Vanilluxe
Venonat
Vespiquen
Vibrava
Vileplume
Volbeat
Vullaby
Wailord
Walrein
Wartortle
Watchog
Weepinbell
Whirlipede
Whiscash
Wigglytuff
Wooper
Wormadam
Yamask
Yanma
Zangoose
Zebstrika
Zorua
Zweilous
Accelgor
Aipom
Alomomola
Altaria
Ampharos
Arbok
Archeops
Ariados
Armaldo
Articuno
Audino
Baltoy
Banette
Basculin
Bastiodon
Beartic
Beautifly
Beedrill
Beheeyem
Bellossom
Bibarel
Bouffalant
Braviary
Bronzor
Butterfree
Cacturne
Camerupt
Carnivine
Carracosta
Carvanha
Castform
Charmeleon
Chatot
Cherrim
Chimecho
Cinccino
Clefairy
Combusken
Corsola
Cottonee
Cradily
Crawdaunt
Croagunk
Croconaw
Cryogonal
Darumaka
Deerling
Delcatty
Delibird
Dewgong
Ditto
Dodrio
Dragonair
Drifblim
Drilbur
Druddigon
Dunsparce
Duosion
Duskull
Dustox
Dwebble
Eelektross
Electabuzz
Electrike
Electrode
Emboar
Emolga
Exeggutor
Exploud
Farfetch'd
Fearow
Feebas
Flareon
Floatzel
Foongus
Fraxure
Frillish
Furret
Gabite
Garbodor
Gardevoir
Gigalith
Girafarig
Glaceon
Glalie
Golbat
Golduck
Golem
Golurk
Gothitelle
Granbull
Grovyle
Growlithe
Grumpig
Gurdurr
Happiny
Haunter
Heatmor
Houndour
Huntail
Hypno
Illumise
Ivysaur
Joltik
Jumpluff
Jynx
Kabutops
Kadabra
Kangaskhan
Karrablast
Kecleon
Kingler
Klinklang
Koffing
Kricketune
Krokorok
Lairon
Lampent
Lanturn
Lapras
Larvesta
Leafeon
Leavanny
Ledian
Lickilicky
Liepard
Linoone
Lopunny
Ludicolo
Lumineon
Lunatone
Luvdisc
Luxray
Machoke
Magcargo
Magikarp
Magmortar
Magneton
Makuhita
Mankey
Mantine
Maractus
Marill
Marowak
Marshtomp
Masquerain
Mawile
Meditite
Meganium
Metang
Mienfoo
Mightyena
Minun
Misdreavus
Monferno
Mothim
Mr. Mime
Muk
Munchlax
Murkrow
Musharna
Nidorina
Nidorino
Ninjask
Noctowl
Octillery
Omanyte
Onix
Pachirisu
Parasect
Pawniard
Pelipper
Persian
Petilil
Phanpy
Phione
Pidgeot
Piloswine
Pineco
Pinsir
Plusle
Poliwhirl
Porygon
Prinplup
Probopass
Pupitar
Purugly
Quilava
Raichu
Rampardos
Rapidash
Raticate
Regice
Regigigas
Regirock
Relicanth
Rhydon
Riolu
Roselia
Rotom
Rotom-F
Rotom-S
Sableye
Samurott
Sandshrew
Sawk
Scraggy
Seadra
Seaking
Seismitoad
Serperior
Seviper
Shedinja
Shelgon
Shelder
Shellos
Shiftry
Shroomish
Shuckle
Simipour
Simisage
Simisear
Skorupi
Skuntank
Slaking
Slowking
Smeargle
Sneasel
Solrock
Spinda
Stantler
Staravia
Staryu
Stoutland
Stunfisk
Sudowoodo
Sunflora
Swalot
Swanna
Swellow
Swoobat
Tauros
Tentacool
Throh
Togetic
Torkoal
Torterra
Tropius
Tyrogue
Unfezant
Unown
Ursaring
Vanilluxe
Venonat
Vespiquen
Vibrava
Vileplume
Volbeat
Vullaby
Wailord
Walrein
Wartortle
Watchog
Weepinbell
Whirlipede
Whiscash
Wigglytuff
Wooper
Wormadam
Yamask
Yanma
Zangoose
Zebstrika
Zorua
Zweilous
Thats 279 pokemon. If my math is correct thats over 50% of all total pokemon.
1. Why in god's name did you sit and count them?
2. Well its not like every poke is usable... And even those that are usable have something that outclasses them (i.e. Granbull itself is usable, but Ursaring makes it so that its never seen)
3. Take Wobb off the list (I didn't go through the whole list, just to the bottom). Its UU now.
Ah, guess I missed it. I've removed it from my list.
Skill Swap is a bit easier...
That's why I think that half of the NU pokes this gen will only be barely viable or even not at all this gen (*cough*Ariados*cough*, it can't even BP Spider Web anymore). I'd really like a tier where stuff like Mightyena were viable, but I doubt Smogon would make a tier like that (besides, if there was a tier where Luvdisc were viable, assuming that each tier had about 60 pokemon, we'd need to split NU into four different tiers or something, and that would be just too much).
Well while that is true, useless NFE pokes that are worse than Luvdisc are on that list as well. A quick look at the shows that Caterpie (it was on the list when I posted) and Baltoy (I said Arbok because herp-derp me thought it was Ekans, and don't say Baltoy's good with Eviolite, 40/55/70 aren't improved by Eviolite a whole lot. It spins then dies) are there.
Arbok might have a niche in NU given that it learns Coil, which increases its Attack, Defense, and Accuracy. Caterpie isn't on that list, by the way because Butterfree is on the list. I know the list doesn't separate the useless NFE's but still, it illustrates a point (NU will be massive this gen).
I didn't count them all. I just selected the whole list and hit the numbering button.
Look at the stuff that's bolded.
If that stuff is allowed in NU, then we need a bigger cutoff.
Gorebyss, Froslass and Dugtrio are UU. The others are correct.
You're correct, Froslass is UU and Gorebyss is RU and I missed those two, but Dugtrio didn't score high enough to warrant being put in RU. Regardless, I apologize for my mistake. I also just realized that I had put down Gothorita when it should have been Gothitelle.
Gorebyss usage went up and is now UU this round and so is Dugtrio. Gorebyss and Dugtrio were RU last round.
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