I've been whoring Octillery and Bibarel myself.
Its madness.
Its madness.
Yeah, or can't anything faster with an SE move beat it too? :0 Just Tbolt / Giga Drain or something on the Sub...You mean octillery right?
Also another good counter unless it gets banned is Manaphy with energy ball, since it can tail glow on the protect and wipe out Oct every time. With no reliable recovery unless it gets like +6 sp.att in a row Manaphy will eventually beat it.
The only thing that can BP Ingrain is Smeargle, which also gets Inconsistant, so why don't you just use Smeargle in the first place for the boosts?Faster with SE moves end up like this:
I BP my Ingrain to Octillery. I sub on the switch. Protect. Sub. Protect. Sub. Protect. Have fun.
Ive had Octillery take on Manaphy in the rain AND WIN, simply due to Evasion hax.
It's absurd to require the use of an otherwise near-useless move just to beat a strategy based solely on hax. Foresight beats Minimize/Double Team, too, and they're banned.Foresight goes through Substitute, so you can keep them from getting Evasion boosts that way.
IIRC, Clear Smog is also an auto-hit move, like Swift.Clear Smog's an attacking move with accuracy, so it's effected by the Evasion.
Haze isn't.
Haze, though, can be a bit of an uphill battle, because Inconsistent can always pull off another Evasion boost. The Foresight trio will eliminate future Evasion boosts as well.
I wonder if anything learns Clear Smog and one of those three. You could use FS/OS/ME to get rid of Evasion, and then just use Clear Smog repeatedly to take out the other boosts while attcking.
Putting Clear Smog on Gengar is pretty much a waste though, since you're never going to use it otherwise. They're also just going to switch in a pursuiter to get rid of Gengar. Just use the pokeball-shroom guy, since he's got decent enough defences to actually use Clear Smog...We have a winnar.
Bring out Gengar, use Clear Smog until they choke.
Clear Smog already has more Power Points than Protect, and with a few PP up, more than Protect and Substitute combined.
Who cares if they're getting Evasion and attack and defense boosts if you reset everything each turn and have perfect accuracy regardless.