Other ORAS OU Viability Ranking: Sets (Discussing B Ranks)

[Valmanway]

Approved by Haunter and alexwolf

Have you ever looked at some sets on a Pokemon and wondered "Wow. How is this set A+ worthy?", or "Is this set really that much better than the other sets?"? Have you ever just wondered where your favorite sets truly stand in terms of viability? If you answered yes to any of these questions, then let me introduce you to OU Viability Ranking: Sets!

In this thread, we as a community will decide the viability of each individual set for every Pokemon that's viable in OU. There are a few rules here that will explain how things will work around here:

1. If a Pokemon is in the ORAS OU Viability Ranking list, regardless of how bad it is, then that Pokemon is going to be on this list as well, even if it's in D Rank.

2. Do not make nominations here for Pokemon that are not on the ORAS OU Viability Ranking list. Make those nominations there, as they will be ignored here, so no nominating Beartic for D Rank or anything like that.

3. A Pokemon's set cannot be ranked higher than its rank in the ORAS OU Viability Ranking list, so Sand Rush Excadrill can't be S Rank here because it's only A Rank there. If a Pokemon's ranking is moved down in the ORAS OU Viability Ranking list in a way that would make it lower than one of its set placements here, then its placement here is also lowered. No exceptions.

4. Post maturely and intelligently, as well as with good evidence and support for any nominations you make. I don't want to see any one-liners like "Why is *insert a Pokemon set* A Rank? It sucks, so bring it down!".

5. For the love of god, don't forget rule #4.

ORAS OU Ranking Sets Tier List

(In alphabetical order)

S Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are amazing in the OU metagame. These Pokemon are usually able to perform a variety of roles effectively, or can just do one extremely well. Their use has low risk involved and high reward exerted. Pokemon in this rank have very few flaws that are patched up by numerous positive traits.

Keldeo (Substitute + Calm Mind: S)
(Choice Specs: A+)
(Choice Scarf: A)
(Life Orb: A)
Metagross (Mega) (Pending)
Sableye (Mega) (Pending)

A Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are fantastic in the OU metagame, and can sweep, support, or wall significant portions of the metagame. These Pokemon require less support than most others to be used effectively and have few flaws that can easily be compensated for when compared to their positive traits.

A+ Rank

Altaria (Mega) (Defensive Dragon Dance: A-)
(Offensive Dragon Dance: A+)
(Support: A+)
(Special Attacker: A+)

Azumarill (Assault Vest: A-)
(Choice Band: A+)
(Belly Drum: A+)

Bisharp (Defiant Attacker: A+)
(Assault Vest: A)

Charizard (Mega X)

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(Bulky Will-O-Wisp: A-)

Charizard @ Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 248 HP / 148 SpD / 112 Spe
Careful Nature
- Earthquake / Fire Punch
- Dragon Claw
- Will-O-Wisp
- Roost

(Bulky Dragon Dance: A)

Charizard @ Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 144 HP / 252 Atk / 112 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake / Fire Punch
- Roost

(Dragon Dance: A)

Charizard @ Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 104 HP / 220 Atk / 184 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Fire Punch / Flare Blitz
- Dragon Claw / Outrage
- Earthquake / Roost

(Swords Dance + Tailwind: A)

Charizard @ Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly / Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Tailwind
- Dragon Claw / Outrage
- Earthquake

Clefable (Magic Guard + Calm Mind: A+)
(Unaware +Calm Mind: A+)
(Stealth Rock: A)
(Unaware Cleric + Wishpasser: A-)

Diancie (Mega) (All-Out Attacker: A+)

Gengar (Substitute + 3 Attacks: A)
(Utility Attacker: A)
(Life Orb: A+)

Gliscor (Specially Defensive: A-)
(Substitute + Toxic: B)

Gyarados (Mega) (Mega Dragon Dance: A+)

Heatran (Offensive Air Balloon: A+)
(Choice Scarf: A)
(Specially Defensive: A+)
(Fast Support: A+)

Landorus (Special Attacker: A+)
(Calm Mind: A+)
(Rock Polish: A+)
Landorus-T (Choice Scarf: A+)
(Offensive Pivot: A)
(Double Dance: A-)

Latios

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(Life Orb: A+)

Latios @ Life Orb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Surf / Thunderbolt / Hidden Power Fire
- Defog / Roost

(Choice Scarf: A)

Latios @ Choice Scarf
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Trick
- Hidden Power Fire / Surf

(Dual Screen: B)

Latios @ Light Clay
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Memento
- Draco Meteor / Hidden Power Fighting / Psychic

Lopunny (Mega) (All-Out Attacker: A+)
(Utility Attacker: A+)

Slowbro (Mega) (Double Dance: A)
(CroBro: B+)
(Defensive: A-)

Talonflame (Stall Breaker: A)
(Swords Dance: A+)
(Revenge Killer: A)
(Swords Dance + Natural Gift: B)

Thundurus (Mixed Attacker: A)
(Nasty Plot: A)
(Prankster Attacker: A+)

A Rank

Celebi (Defensive: A)
(Offensive: B+)

Charizard (Mega-Y) (Wall Breaker: A)

Excadrill (Sand Rush: A)

Ferrothorn (Utility: A)

Gallade (Mega) (Wallbreaker: A)

Gardevoir (Mega) (Offensive: A)

Garchomp (Lead: A)
(Choice Scarf: B)
(Swords Dance: A-)

Latias (Offensive Defog: A)

Manaphy (Tail Glow + Rain Dance: A)
(Tail Glow: B+)
(Calm Mind: A-)

Manectric (Mega) (Special Attacker: A)

Pinsir (Mega) (Swords Dance: A)

Rotom-W (Defensive: A)

Scizor (Mega) (Bulky Swords Dance: A)
(Swords Dance + 3 Attacks: A)

Slowbro (Physical Wall: A)

Tyranitar (Choice Scarf: A)
(Support: A-)

Venusaur (Mega) (Offensive Tank: A)
(Defensive: A-)

A- Rank

Aerodactyl (Mega) (Physical Attacker: A-)
Diggersby (Swords Dance: A-)
(All-Out Attacker: A-)
(Choice Scarf: B+)

Gyarados (Bulky Dragon Dance: A-)
(Specially Defensive: B)
Heracross (Mega) (Wall Breaker: A-)
(Swords Dance + Substitute: A-)

Hippowdon (Wall: A-)

Jirachi (Specially Defensive: A-)
(SubToxic: A-)
(Choice Scarf: B+)

Magnezone (Choice Scarf: A-)
(Choice Specs: B+)

Mamoswine (Focus Sash: A-)
(Life Orb: A-)

Politoed (Rain Support: A-)

Starmie (Defensive: B+)
(Offensive: A-)

Tornadus-T (Pivot: A-)

B Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are great in the OU metagame. These Pokemon have more notable flaws than those above them that affect how they function in the tier. Their positive traits still outshine their negatives, but they require a bit more team support to bring out their full potential.

B+ Rank

Alakazam (Mega) (Special Attacker: B+)

Amoonguss (Pivot: B+)
Breloom (Focus Sash/Life Orb: B+)
(Leech Seed: D)
(Specially Defensive Poison Heal: B)
Chansey (Support: B+)
(Wish Support: B+)
Chesnaught (Physically Defensive: B+)
(Belly Drum: B-)

Dragonite (Choice Band: B+)
(Dragon Dance: B-)
(Bulky Roost: B)

Hawlucha (Swords Dance: B+)

Kabutops (Physical Attacker: B+)

Kingdra (Mixed Rain Sweeper: B)

Klefki (Support: B+)

Kyurem-B (Life Orb: B+)
(Substitute + 3 Attacks: B+)
(Choice Scarf: B+)

Latias (Mega) (Calm Mind: B+)

Mew (Stall Breaker: B+)
(Hazard Control: B)
(Offensive: B-)

Raikou (Assault Vest: B+)
(Choice Specs: B+)
(Calm Mind: B)

Sceptile (Mega) (All-Out Attacker: B+)
(Substitute: B+)

Skarmory (Physically Defensive: B+)
(Specially Defensive: C)
Swampert (Mega) (Swift Swim: B+)

Tentacruel (Defensive: B+)

Terrakion (All-Out Attacker: B+)
(Lead: B+)
(Choice Band: B+)
(Choice Scarf: B)

B Rank

Conkeldurr (Assault Vest: B)

Cresselia (Defensive: B)

Gothitelle (Trapper: B)

Houndoom (Mega) (Nasty Plot: B)

Mandibuzz (Utility: B)

Omastar (Choice Specs: B)
(Life Orb: C+)

Quagsire (Unaware: B)

Scizor (Choice Band: B)

Suicune (CroCune: B)

Sharpedo (Mega) (Cleaner: B)

Togekiss (Nasty Plot: B)
(Defensive: B)

Victini (Stall Breaker: B)
(Wall Breaker: B)
(Trick Room: C+)

Volcarona (Offensive Quiver Dance: B)
(Bulky Quiver Dance: C)

Weavile (Revenge Killer: B)

B- Rank

Alomomola (Wish Pass: B-)

Azelf (Dual Screens: B-)

Crawdaunt (Wall Breaker: B-)

Dragalge (Wallbreaker: B-)

Empoleon (Utility: B-)
(Choice Specs: C+)

Garchomp (Mega) (Mixed: B-)

Hydreigon (Wall Breaker: B-)
(Revenge Killer: C+)

Lucario (Swords Dance: B-)

Magneton (Choice Scarf: B-)

Rhyperior (Defensive: B-)

Scolipede (Quick Pass: B-)
(Offensive: C+)

Serperior (Pending)

Sylveon (Choice Specs: B-)
(Cleric: B-)

Tangrowth (Assault Vest: B-)

Toxicroak (Attacker: B-)

Tyranitar (Mega) (Dragon Dance: B-)

Zapdos (Defensive: B-)

C Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that have notable niches in the OU metagame, but have just as many notable flaws that prevent them from being effective. Pokemon in the C tier often require significant support to be effective. Pokemon from this rank tend to face a lot of competition with the more commonly used Pokemon.

C+ Rank

Bronzong (Dual Screens: C+)

Cobalion (Volt Switch: C+)

Gastrodon (Physically Defensive: C+)

Medicham (Mega) (Physical Attacker: C+)

Pidgeot (Mega) (Pending)

Staraptor (Choice Band: C+)
(Choice Scarf: C+)

Wobbuffet (Trapper: C+)

C Rank

Absol (Mega) (All-Out Attacker: C)

Aggron (Mega) (Tank: C)

Alakazam (Revenge Killer: C)

Blastoise (Mega) (Rapid Spin: C)

Camerupt (Mega) (Pending)

Ditto (Choice Scarf: C)

Doublade (Mixed Wall: C)

Entei (All-Out Attacker: C)
Glalie (Mega) (All-Out Attacker: C)

Goodra (Assault Vest: C)

Gourgeist-XL (Physically Defensive: C)

Heracross (Pending)

Infernape (Focus Sash Lead: C)

Latios (Mega) (Pending)

Mienshao (Life Orb: C)

Porygon2 (Physically Defensive: C)

Reuniclus (Trick Room: C)

Rotom-H (Choice Scarf: C)

Sableye (Prankster Utility: C)

Seismitoad (Rain Sweeper: C)

Shuckle (Sticky Web: C)

Slowking (Assault Vest: C)

Thundurus-T (Agility: C)

C- Rank

Ampharos (Agility: C-)
(All-Out Attacker: C-)
(Specially Defensive: C-)

Blissey (Cleric: C-)
(Wish Passer: C-)

Cofagrigus (Trick Room: C-)

Diancie (Tank: C-)

Dugtrio (Revenge Killer: C-)

Espeon (Dual Screens: C-)

Exploud (Choice Specs: C-)

Gourgeist-Small (Physically Defensive: C-)

Haxorus (Wall Breaker: C-)

Lantern (Defensive: C-)

Ludicolo (Rain Sweeper: C-)

Noivern (Life Orb: C-)

Pangoro (Pending)

Smeargle (Quick Pass: C-)

Tornadus (Prankster: C-)

Whimsicott (Prankster: C-)

Zygarde (Coil: C-)

D Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are mediocre in the OU metagame, but are viable enough to justify their use on select teams. These Pokemon are either usable but have no real niche, or are only capable of doing their specific task and fail at doing anything more than that. Pokemon from this rank have multiple crippling flaws that prevent them from being successful a majority of the time, and are often severely outclassed because of it.

Arcanine (Defensive: D)

Cacturne (Focus Sash: D)

Chandelure (Stall Breaker: D)

Cloyster (Shell Smash: D)

Flygon (Pending)

Froslass (Suicide Spiker: D)

Gorebyss (Quick Pass: D)

Meloetta (Assault Vest: D)

Salamence (MoxieMence: D)

Venomoth (Quiver Dance + Baton Pass: D)

Have fun!

 

[Valmanway]

Well guys, the OU Viability Ranking: Sets thread has been revived, and is ready to display the new sets that have been created since the transition to ORAS! But as I’m sure you’re aware, some sets haven’t been added into the OP yet, and Pokemon with no sets at all are marked as “pending”. This is because some sets have yet to get a completed analysis, and thus make it difficult to add the sets in, which is why some Pokemon will only have the names of their sets, and not the sets themselves; this is going to be mainly for the new Mega Evolutions, as well as a few Pokemon with new abilities/moves. This, combined with the fact that I’m still tidying things up a bit, will mean that things will look a bit messy for a bit. All of this will be fixed in good time, so just be patient for a while longer.

Anyways, we’ll organize this like we did in the last thread by discussing Pokemon in the rankings from top to bottom, starting with S and A+ rank Pokemon. After a week or so of discussion, I’ll update the OP and then we’ll move onto the next batch of Pokemon.

 

[I AM THE JAMAICAN BOBSLED TEAM]

how are we gonna do mega slut? is it just gonna be return+hjk 2 filler?

 

[Kurona]

Small nitpick; you have Charizard (Mega X) marked as Charizard (Mega Y).

 

[Masamune]

Stallbreaker Talon A > A+. It can flat out 6-0 stall teams if they're unprepared for it and pretty much prevents matchup loss to stall. Not a huge change in rank, but it's top tier and deserves to be upped one.

 

[Flarowak]

I think Sub +PuP Lopunny is S. This set absolutely destroys and I have had tons of succes with it. She is completely unresisted and nothing wants to eat hits from her when boosted. If she isn't behind a sub intimidators are pretty much the only way to stop or slow her down.

 

[Lil YoshiXD]

Stallbreaker Talon A > A+. It can flat out 6-0 stall teams if they're unprepared for it and pretty much prevents matchup loss to stall. Not a huge change in rank, but it's top tier and deserves to be upped one.

which stallbreaker set are you talking about?
taunt wisp?
or SD?

 

[Stef0w]

Defensive Landorus-T: A/A-: I feel the defensive versions of Landoge kinda falls under trying to cover too much at once, and while offensive presence is better than gliscor, it lacks taunt, which allows gliscor to stallbreak easier, althrough magic bounce really sucks. Gliscor also has reliable recovery+status immunity, which makes it better IMO.

Double dance Landorus-T: A, actually puts in decent work, since it forces plenty of switches, and everybody expects choice scarf anyway, and doesnt really have issues with coverage IMO.

 

[Masamune]

The

which stallbreaker set are you talking about?
taunt wisp?
or SD?

The default stallbreaker, Taunt/WoW. Once Heatran's out of the way it rips through stall and given how common the stall archetype is at the minute, it's a monster. Requires very little support, too (outside of the obvious hazard control).

 

[Valmanway]

The


The default stallbreaker, Taunt/WoW. Once Heatran's out of the way it rips through stall and given how common the stall archetype is at the minute, it's a monster. Requires very little support, too (outside of the obvious hazard control).

The problem with Taunt + Will-O-Wisp Talonflame is that it has no chance of beating Mega Sableye 1v1, the glue to stall teams nowadays, as its Brave Bird will barely chip off more than a quarter of Mega Sableye's heath at best, while Mega Sableye can heal with Recover, has Magic Bounce to reflect Taunt, and turns Talonflame into setup bait. It's not until Mega Sableye and Heatran are out of the way that Taunt + Will-O-Wisp Talonflame can really get anything done, which means it needs a good deal of support. It'll have to forgo Will-O-Wisp or Taunt, but running Swords Dance means that Talonflame can beat Mega Sableye, which is why I didn't drop the Stallbreaker set too low.

 

[Imperator Romanum]

Mega Lopunnys

Fake out Return HJK Ice punch S
-------""--------- Baton pass instead of Ice punch A+
-------""--------- Healing Wish instead of Ice punch A+
-------""--------- subsitute and Power up punch instead of Fake out and Ice punch A (Maybe A-?)

 

[Imperator Romanum]

Metagross
All-out-Attacker S
Agility A+

Mega Sable eye
Calm Mind S
Utility S

Mega Altaria

DDD Altaria A+
Offensive DD Altaria A+
Defensive Altaria A+
Cotton guard Altaria B+ or some shit idk.
Special Attacking support A/A+

Diancie

All-Out-Attacker A+
Rock polish A
Calm mind A

Gallade

SD A

Latias Mega

Bulky Calm Mind A-
Calm Mind 2 Attacks A

Mega Slowbro

Crobrobruhbro A
CM Slowbro A
Three attacks Slack off A-

Thoughs?

 

[heritage]

Metagross
All-out-Attacker S
Agility A+

Mega Sable eye
Calm Mind S
Utility S

Mega Altaria

DDD Altaria A+
Offensive DD Altaria A+
Defensive Altaria A+
Cotton guard Altaria B+ or some shit idk.
Special Attacking support A/A+

Diancie

All-Out-Attacker A+
Rock polish A
Calm mind A

Gallade

SD A

Latias Mega

Bulky Calm Mind A-
Calm Mind 2 Attacks A

Mega Slowbro

Crobrobruhbro A
CM Slowbro A
Three attacks Slack off A-

Thoughs?

My thoughts are there's an edit button for a reason.
Agility Metagross should be S, no doubt. Having that insane attack stat, Meteor Mash, and the ability to outspeed most Scarfers defiantly deserves S.
Other than that idc what the rest of these are placed at.

 

[Mitchhhhhh]

Nominating Defog M-Scizor for A/B+:

Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Defog
- Roost
- Bullet Punch/Knock Off/Superpower
- U-turn/Knock Off/Superpower

Still one of the best Defoggers due to SR neutrality and great defensive typing + physical bulk, packs a punch even with no investment, due to it's mediocre speed Bullet Punch is recommended, U-Turn can be ran for momentum/to prevent being trapped, Knock Off provides the best coverage + it's really spammable and Superpower can be used if you need something to better deal with Heatran.

 

[astroboy]

slight nitpick, but char-x is labeled "Charizard Y"

 

[Valmanway]

Small nitpick; you have Charizard (Mega X) marked as Charizard (Mega Y).

slight nitpick, but char-x is labeled "Charizard Y"

Fixed.

 

[firehusky]

Nominating Clefable's SR set for A+.

As an SR setter, why would you use Clefable? It's bulk isn't really that fantastic, and although it's defensive typing is pretty nice, it's stats leave lots to be desired. Fast forward to ORAS, where Mega Sableye is introduced. Now say hi to Clefable, one of the only two SR setters that can beat Mega Sableye 1v1. (The other one being Heatran) This alone gives it a huge niche, due to the fact that Mega Sableye is so annoying for offensive teams to get up hazards. It also has reliable recovery, which can separate it from other SR users like Landorus-T and Heatran.

 

[Imperator Romanum]

Nominating Clefable's SR set for A+.

As an SR setter, why would you use Clefable? It's bulk isn't really that fantastic, and although it's defensive typing is pretty nice, it's stats leave lots to be desired. Fast forward to ORAS, where Mega Sableye is introduced. Now say hi to Clefable, one of the only two SR setters that can beat Mega Sableye 1v1. (The other one being Heatran) This alone gives it a huge niche, due to the fact that Mega Sableye is so annoying for offensive teams to get up hazards. It also has reliable recovery, which can separate it from other SR users like Landorus-T and Heatran.

Eh, besides that it doesn't really have a niche. I find the SR Clefable set to be rather lackluster. It's a good SR setter, just not A+ worthy.

 

[firehusky]

Eh, besides that it doesn't really have a niche. I find the SR Clefable set to be rather lackluster. It's a good SR setter, just not A+ worthy.

The fact that pretty much every SR setter besides Clefable and Heatran is completely COUNTERED by Mega Sableye gives it a HUGE niche. Lol just because you find the SR Clefable set to be rather lackluster doesn't mean it is. In fact, I find that the SR Clefable set is not lackluster. You really need to have a more solid argument against my nomination. Saying that "i find the sr clefable set to be rather lackluster, therefore it's not a+ worthy" isn't really an argument, since others (like me) have different experiences.

 

[Lil YoshiXD]

Nominating Clefable's SR set for A+.

As an SR setter, why would you use Clefable? It's bulk isn't really that fantastic, and although it's defensive typing is pretty nice, it's stats leave lots to be desired. Fast forward to ORAS, where Mega Sableye is introduced. Now say hi to Clefable, one of the only two SR setters that can beat Mega Sableye 1v1. (The other one being Heatran) This alone gives it a huge niche, due to the fact that Mega Sableye is so annoying for offensive teams to get up hazards. It also has reliable recovery, which can separate it from other SR users like Landorus-T and Heatran.

Lando, lum +SD Terrak and Garchomp woud like a word

 

[firehusky]

Lando, lum +SD Terrak and Garchomp woud like a word

Which lando do you mean?
SD Terrak can't really beat mega sableye 1v1. Sableye uses will-o-wisp, lum activates, terrak uses SD. Sableye uses will o wisp again, terrak is screwed.
Same thing with garchomp.
Don't forget that sableye has prankster will-o-wisp.

 

[Imperator Romanum]

Which lando do you mean?
SD Terrak can't really beat mega sableye 1v1. Sableye uses will-o-wisp, lum activates, terrak uses SD. Sableye uses will o wisp again, terrak is screwed.
Same thing with garchomp.

Though Terrakion outspeeds second turn around, plus you have a chance of missing Will-o-Wisp. If you Mega evolve he outspeeds and kill you, if you don't mega evolve he gets up rocks. Thus you either lose your M-Sable eye or he gets up rocks. The same thing happens with Garchomp

He means Landorus-I which beats Mega Sable eye

 

[Jukain]

SubCM Keldeo is arguably the best Keldeo set in this metagame as it stands, having gained a lot of popularity recently and being a devastating sweeper. The ability to avoid status and take advantage of the many switches Keldeo forces with Substitute is simply incredible for it, and Calm Mind with that makes it a true terror to handle, including becoming much more threatening to balanced and stall teams. It also allows you to put more pressure on Pokemon like Latios, for instance, where it comes in and is forced to break the Sub, making it take LO damage, and risking the burn. Substitute in general is very easy to get up and makes Keldeo a lot more difficult to revenge kill. It also turns certain Pokemon like Amoonguss, CM Mega Sableye, Alomomola, Suicune, Starmie, Mega Venusaur (if you play Keldeo well), non-Psyshock Slowbro, and Tentacruel into non-answers, which is pretty nice. Clefable doesn't actually beat it with the Unaware set unless it runs Calm Mind itself, as Scald with the burn just 2HKOes. The other Unaware mon, Quagsire, fails similarly. Essentially, SubCM Keldeo can defeat some of its counters and moreover has a good matchup against every playstyle, which makes it more than worthy of A+.

The SpD Heatran set is certainly not worse on the whole than Air Balloon offensive; in fact, it's the exact opposite. SpD Heatran is just such a good and consistent Pokemon, checking a ton of threats like Latis, Clefable, Talonflame, etc...in addition to this it is among the best SR users in the tier as it can set it up on a ton of mons and threatens many of the more common hazard removers (pretty much all of the Defoggers + Excadrill). It's also rather a pain to switch into because little really wants to deal with the threat of a Lava Plume burn and the threat of Toxic. Chansey can't actually deal with it because Taunt prevents it from doing much of anything and wears it down fast with residual damage from Toxic taken into consideration. SpD Heatran is such a good and high utility set that A+ makes perfect sense for it.

 

[firehusky]

Though Terrakion outspeeds second turn around, plus you have a chance of missing Will-o-Wisp. If you Mega evolve he outspeeds and kill you, if you don't mega evolve he gets up rocks. Thus you either lose your M-Sable eye or he gets up rocks. The same thing happens with Garchomp

He means Landorus-I which beats Mega Sable eye

Lol Stone Edge has a higher chance of missing than will-o-wisp. What I meant that sableye doesn't mega evolve on both turns, thus creating mindgames with terrakion. If terrakion tries to set up SR on the first turn, then he has a chance of SR getting bounced back. If he SDs, then he gets will-oed, and lum berry activates. Next turn, sableye user either goes mega, or will-o-wisps again, thus creating even more mindgames.
I do agree that clefable and heatran aren't the only SR users that can beat eye, that was a bit of an exaggeration on my part. However, Clefable's recovery lets it set up SR constantly during the match, unlike other users like terrak and chomp which are both specialised suicide leads. SR Clefable also is a great answer to most dragons and set up sweepers.

 

[Patolegend!]

Just as a small nitpick, Lando-T can also beat already-Mega'd Sableye with Earth Plate Earthquake.