you've said it yourself : That was pretty much the point of my answer post. The rest of your comments have all been answered to in the initial post. I didn't say golduck was better than samurott or simipour, I suggest a different set that can compete for a place on a team with samurott since it boasts different advantages which is the point of this thread. If you can quote me on golduck's flaws, it's because I'm not trying to hide them but I'm explaining them to the reader as the cons this set has so he can properly understand when to choose samurott for his team and when golduck should be taken in consideration. EDIT: I'll stop this post battle here, but if you go back to the very first sentences of my first post, you'll notice that the main point of this set is to immitate samurott while still outspeeding opposing samurotts (and weakend ludi's) as it is one of the hardest pokes to counter/check in NU.