Gen 3 RoA Speed CCAT - [DONE]

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  1. sandshrewz

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    No votes?? .-.
  2. Danilo

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    new version
    Gengar (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 216 Atk / 104 SAtk / 188 Spd
    Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
    - Thunderbolt
    - Ice Punch
    - Hypnosis
    - Explosion

    Celebi @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 252 HP / 12 Def / 92 SAtk / 152 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Calm Mind
    - Giga Drain
    - Baton Pass
    - Hidden Power [Fire]

    Moltres @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 28 HP / 252 SAtk / 228 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Fire Blast
    - Sunny Day
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Hidden Power [Ice]

    Dugtrio (M) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Arena Trap
    EVs: 224 Atk / 32 SDef / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Earthquake
    - Rock Slide
    - Aerial Ace
    - Hidden Power [Bug]

    Metagross @ Leftovers
    Trait: Clear Body
    EVs: 196 HP / 176 Atk / 32 Def / 76 SAtk / 28 Spd
    Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
    - Psychic
    - Meteor Mash
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Explosion

    Jirachi @ Leftovers
    Trait: Serene Grace
    EVs: 252 HP / 112 Def / 96 SAtk / 48 SDef
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Calm Mind
    - Wish
    - Thunderbolt
    - Psychic

    i think it is better than the other one
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    OK, I like this team much better. Jirachi should have a few speed EVs though, at least enough to outrun Breloom, a spore could really ruin your day.

    Celebi should probably be more defensive as well. I propose we keep the 300 speed and 404 hp, but throw the remaining EVs into defense instead of sp.attk. You can calm mind on the switch instead of giga drain and if they swap in Dugtrio you can survive his HP bug (usually) and giga drain him and regain a lot of health, plus a random CM is better than a random giga drain.

    EDIT: would Toxic on Moltres instead of WoW, and WoW instead of ice punch on Gengar be better? I played a few games with it and I never used ice punch (and rarely thunderbolt), I was generally statusing on the switch.

    EDIT2: after more testing, this team really seems to struggle with strong electric attacks. One game I get worn down by a subpassing Jolteon (tbolt/twave/sub/bp), another game 5-0'd by sub cm Raikou (Dugtrio got revengekilled by another Dugtrio, 372 speed so I lost the coinflip) and a third game I lost to what I assume was a very offensive Zapdos (Celebi bp'd a CM to it, 6-0'd my team). Additionally, status is an absolute bitch to deal with - especially sleep and paralysis - the only real absorber of anything is Celebi with Natural Cure. We really need a way of dealing with this (or just strong special attacks in general).
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    No one uses Breloom. We dont need an ev spread to account for it. we're not weak to electric types. fast celebi walls them. we need spa on celebi or else we're weak to skarm. status isn't a huge problem. jirachi is the gengar switch. toxic on moltres is usable. dropping ice punch is bad. jolteon leads could be annoying so maybe lead meta
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    Would you rather have 16 EVs in speed to account for Breloom (which a lot of people seem to use, I don't know from where you got the idea that 'nobody uses Breloom', I see it all the time), or those 16 EVs in defense/sp.attk? It's only 16 EVs, we are not talking about a quarter of your EVs. It's. 16. EVs. Keep in mind that we do not have a sleep absorber (and as a bonus you are faster than Ludicolo as well, but I actually do think nobody uses that lol).

    'We're not weak to electric types' seems like a useless comment. Why not? Yes, Raikou gets killed by Dugtrio in the majority of the situations, but Jolteon and Zapdos don't. Lets say the enemy BPs a CM to a Zapdos, what are you going to do?
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    i give up
    lets vote
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    Vote vote let's vote~~~
  8. Danilo

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    i vote for my latest version :O
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    same here
  11. HUARGH

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    Me too, although I still suggest running 16 speed EVs to outspeed Breloom.
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    Danilo's latest version.
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    Yeah i like Jirachi too.

    The team has as much Breloom coverage as it gets. Really, it's hard to think of an offensive team with better Breloom coverage than this one tbh.

    Just wondering, what's the gameplan against Salamence? Let's say it comes in on Dugtrio after it kills something, then assuming the team is in full conditions, what's the Pokemon to go? Jirachi? It seems like things could get problematic against DD Mence/Dnite just saying. I doubt a 100% Gengar could survive a +1 HP Flying.
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    It's 16 EVs. You don't want Breloom to come in and spore Jirachi while you are +3/+3 CM and then still eat a fair amount of damage from focus punch (31-39% to Celebi, 45-53% to Moltres). 16 EVs can mean the difference between winning the game or having a pokemon put to sleep (with no cleric) + eating damage or being forced to switch out again (no spinner).

    Salamence is why I suggested Jirachi in the first place, you can only really go to Metagross and Jirachi (or Moltres/Gar if you expect an EQ). FWIW Gengar can barely even survive a 405 attack stab hp flying (84%-99%).
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    All right lets wrap this up!!! And here's our final result~

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    Gengar @ Leftovers
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 216 Atk / 104 SpA / 188 Spe
    Hasty Nature
    - Thunderbolt
    - Ice Punch
    - Hypnosis
    - Explosion

    [​IMG]
    Metagross @ Leftovers
    Ability: Clear Body
    EVs: 196 HP / 176 Atk / 32 Def / 76 SpA / 28 Spe
    Naughty Nature
    - Psychic
    - Hidden Power Fire
    - Meteor Mash
    - Explosion

    [​IMG]
    Moltres @ Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: 28 HP / 252 SAtk / 228 Spd
    Modest Nature
    - Fire Blast
    - Hidden Power Ice
    - Sunny Day
    - Will-O-Wisp

    [​IMG]
    Dugtrio @ Choice Band
    Ability: Arena Trap
    EVs: 224 Atk / 32 SpD / 252 Spe
    Jolly
    - Earthquake
    - Rock Slide
    - Hidden Power Bug
    - Aerial Ace

    [​IMG]
    Celebi @ Leftovers
    Ability: Natural Cure
    EVs: 252 HP / 12 Def / 92 SpA / 152 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Baton Pass
    - Giga Drain
    - Hidden Power Fire
    - Calm Mind

    [​IMG]
    Jirachi @ Leftovers
    Ability: Serene Grace
    EVs: 252 HP / 112 Def / 96 SpA / 48 SpD
    Bold Nature
    - Calm Mind
    - Wish
    - Thunderbolt
    - Psychic

    There are definitely some minor things eg small EV / move changes that can be made to this team; but ultimately, some of them are probably just up to the user who plays with it and goes with his/her preference. Variants of this team should work just as well. I'd like to everyone who participated in this CCAT, whether or not you've submitted things or voted, or simply just reading this thread. We've finally reached the completion of RoA Speed CCAT 1!! It has taken >1 month, more than what I've estimated it to take. I was hoping for less than 1 month lol! It's been great nevertheless! :)

    And this thread will stay open to continue discussion regarding anything if there still is. Feel free to leave your feedback as well :)! RoA Speed CCAT 2 will be up soon; hang tight!
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    I know this is the first one but I feel like it could be a little more organized, the simple bolding of certain things or categorizing would help a lot. Example, instead of:

    "I really think we should [x] and [y]"

    We could have:

    SUGGESTION
    "I really think we should [x] and [y]"

    This would make the topic easier to read and faster to identify what is being suggested, modified etc. and what are just general thoughts.
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    I'm not going to standardize / enforce that :) it's up to the individual's posting habit etc lol. It's good to have bold etc to make it easier to read but I'm fine either way :) thanks though!

    CCAT 2 will be up within 18 hours ~
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    The team is very DDmence weak, and it has a perfect set up fodder, like non psychic cmbi.
    I think P2 was suggessted before, and it would be a nice option
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    or just splash ice punch on Jirachi somewhere
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    would it be worth it to try some sort of suicune (i'm thinking over metagross or jirachi)? its monstrous bulk lets it check aero/mence and it fits in very well on this team!
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    I think there was something else that needed to be countered that Suicune didn't quite cover, but I can't really remember what it was
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    Must be Gyarados

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