Well, Hippopotas with Eviolite means that it will be taking more than 2 hits, meaning Eviolite is already better than Focus Sash. Leftovers seems really inferior to Eviolite, especially when Hippopotas gets Slack Off anyway.
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Sand discussion thread
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well, in sand he compounds your grass weakness.
The reason most NFEs use Eviolite is because a) they'd have pitiful defenses otherwise and b) it's just that good an item. A free 1.5x boost to defenses? Who wouldn't want that? Rhydon, Duosion, Hippopotas, Vulpix, you name it; all of them do their jobs better with Eviolite than any other item.
Well, Vulpix might want to use Focus Sash sometimes, due to Dugtrio.
Eviolite is a good hold item though.
Eviolite is a good hold item though.
A free 1.5x boost to defenses WITHOUT getting locked into one move.
Just so you know, Fire Blast from Modest/0 Vulpix under the sun manages to do 91% max.
That's pretty good. Would Quick Attack be enough to make it up to the KO? Because then if you Fire Blast when it switches in, you might be able to kill it before it can damage you.
Or maybe Vulpix could still beat Dugtrio with Eviolite. Like if you Will-O-Wisp and burn it on the switch-in, perhaps Vulpix can survive Earthquake, and then Fire Blast + 20% from two rounds of burn can KO it? And factor in Life Orb damage and and entry harazrds on Dugtrio's end too.
I really am loving Sand right now. It has access to pseudo-abusers with 4x resists to both Ice and Fire, two crucial types to be able to take, in things like Empoleon and Omastar. Hippopotas is actually hilariously bulky with Eviolite, able to tank CC from Toxic Orb Heracross for a little over 55% with ease and Slack Off the damage, without even max investment.
Lots of opportunites to pack Phazing moves is proving great as well, with SmashPass and such as well as the reisdual damage SS brings. Not only that but you have tons of bulky stat uppers like Cradily, Regirock etc to choose from as well as frailer faster sweepers like Shall Smashers for instance, letting you build a really versatile team.
Lots of opportunites to pack Phazing moves is proving great as well, with SmashPass and such as well as the reisdual damage SS brings. Not only that but you have tons of bulky stat uppers like Cradily, Regirock etc to choose from as well as frailer faster sweepers like Shall Smashers for instance, letting you build a really versatile team.
@bold text: You DID say Vulpix @ Focus Sash...
the reason to use cradily is for suction cups, otherwise it will be outsped and phazed, getting rid of its boosts, if you want storm drain, go with gaastrodon as NatGeo said
You could use Storm Drain Cradily instead to actually use the Sand boost and not add a extra gaping grass weak.
Giga Drain?
Cradily's attack and special attack are exactly the same, and its special defense is higher than its defense (even before sandstorm). I'd say it fills the role on a sandstorm team much better than Gastrodon, since it's effectively neutral to the entire F/W/G core that gives sand so much trouble.
All it really needs is one or two offensive moves, Toxic, and Recover to be a sandstorm wall. It can't wall steels without Earth Power, but if you're running a SAND team you should be adequately equipped to handle UU steels already.
(all this cradily talk is in anticipation for its DW release)
As for Sandslash, it's probably going to remain UU if only because its advantages over Excadrill aren't very many, and lacking steel-type limits its switch-in opportunities.
Until the day Excadrill is banned, Sandslash is never going to see the light of day in OU.
Cradily is already released in DW.
Cradily is already released in DW.
The Only Advantages I see Sandslash have over Excadrill is Neutrally to Fighting and Ground Moves, especially Mach punch and Earthquake, so you don't have to worry about Conkedurr ruining your fun and you don't have to carry a balloon.
You're still walled by physical walls like Skarmory and Gliscor and Hippodwon etc...
You're Vulnerable to Toxic, decreasing your Sandslash's Life span
Lower Speed at base 60 I think (I'm just guessing) means some Scarf users out speed you and KO you, I think Scarf Latios can come in on a Predicted EQ and proceed to KO you on your weak Sp-def side
I fink Sandslash has a High Def stat, something like base 110 (I'm guessing again) so it should be able to take those neutral Physical attacks.
I can't think of any other pros and cons, between Sandslash and Excadrill.
I wonder if Sandslash will be banned from UU, as the only reliable counter I can think of it Azumaril Mamoswine and Weavile, Do Scarf 100s outspeed Sandslash in the sand?
You're still walled by physical walls like Skarmory and Gliscor and Hippodwon etc...
You're Vulnerable to Toxic, decreasing your Sandslash's Life span
Lower Speed at base 60 I think (I'm just guessing) means some Scarf users out speed you and KO you, I think Scarf Latios can come in on a Predicted EQ and proceed to KO you on your weak Sp-def side
I fink Sandslash has a High Def stat, something like base 110 (I'm guessing again) so it should be able to take those neutral Physical attacks.
I can't think of any other pros and cons, between Sandslash and Excadrill.
I wonder if Sandslash will be banned from UU, as the only reliable counter I can think of it Azumaril Mamoswine and Weavile, Do Scarf 100s outspeed Sandslash in the sand?