Scalemons

[Aragorn the King]

Pokemon That Caught My Eye:

Staraptor: 105/148/87/62/74/124
Grovyle: 74/96/67/126/96/141
Diglett: 23/125/57/79/102/215
Trapinch: 93/207/93/93/93/21
Cranidos: 115/214/69/51/51/99
Chatot: 111/95/66/134/61/133
Vivillon: 117/76/73/131/73/130
Shedinja: 3/229/114/76/76/102
Pelipper: 84/70/140/119/98/91

I REALLY like this metagame, as pretty much every pokemon, except for base 680 legendaries, are really good and fun to use.

 

[Kingpoleon]

Lileep: 112/69/130/102/147/39
Has an effective base 245 SpD in sand, storm drain, reliable recovery and an offensive presence.

Shellder: 59/128/197/89/49/79
Cloyster: 57/109/206/97/51/80
Slight improvements on the OU version of Cloyster. Shellder appreciates the attack boost more though.

Farfetch'd: 89/111/94/99/106/102
SD set viable?

Diglett: 23/125/57/79/102/215
Has arena trap and is the fastest pokemon that isn't a fish. Can run Adamant and comfortably outspeed jolly Tailow. However, it suffers from Deo-A syndrome: 252 Atk Life Orb Technician Persian Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Diglett: 164-192 (87.7 - 102.6%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

Dugtrio: 52/119/74/74/104/178
Bulkier but slower and slightly weaker alternative to Diglett for tanking weak priority.

P.S. Skarm-Wooper-Clefable looks incredibly OP

Stop stealing my idea! :P

Is kangaskhanite really worth an initial banning? Mega Kanga only received a very minimal buff while everything around it is far better than it used to be.

This. The ultimate counter, Sableye has been extremely buffed, being 4HKO'd(with a phys def EV spread) by burned Crunch iirc. Also, please don't ban Unaware, stall needs viable ;) Asterat

 

[Momblast]

I was under the impression that mega pokemon could be selected w/o using the pre-evos, like in BH.

 

[nightsitter]

I think it's worth banning Smeargle. With access to every move in the game and decent 132/84/108 bulk topped off with Deoxys-S level speed, it seems like it would be overcentralizing. But aside from the artistic dog(e) and the list provided, banning too many things would defeat the purpose of a wonky metagame like this.

Regarding mega-evolutions, I think all of them should be scaled to a 700 BST. That way, they maintain their role as more powerful yet itemless versions of the base Pokemon. However, even if the base HP stat changes upon mega-evolution scaling, the Pokemon should keep its original scaled HP stat.

Otherwise, this is a fantastic idea for a metagame and I can't wait to try it out.

 

[asterat]

Smeargle is now banned. Smeargle has a multitude of crazy sets it can run and the bulk and speed made it too much to handle. First things first, it is an amazing form of deoxys-s. It has spore, dark void, sticky web, parting shot, you name it. Any defensive move a hyper offense setter could use smeargle can use. It is also too bulky and becomes extremely dangerous when baton passing boosts, it is much harder to kill. Lastly it could just run a defensive set and call it a day, it certainly has the movepool.

 

[Pikachuun]

Smeargle is now banned. Smeargle has a multitude of crazy sets it can run and the bulk and speed made it too much to handle. First things first, it is an amazing form of deoxys-s. It has spore, dark void, sticky web, parting shot, you name it. Any defensive move a hyper offense setter could use smeargle can use. It is also too bulky and becomes extremely dangerous when baton passing boosts, it is much harder to kill. Lastly it could just run a defensive set and call it a day, it certainly has the movepool.

>Smeargle
>Bulky
What have you done Asterat. You're messing with the natural order.

 

[SomeDrunkRockLee]

Pokemon That Caught My Eye:

Staraptor: 105/148/87/62/74/124
Grovyle: 74/96/67/126/96/141
Diglett: 23/125/57/79/102/215
Trapinch: 93/207/93/93/93/21
Cranidos: 115/214/69/51/51/99
Chatot: 111/95/66/134/61/133
Vivillon: 117/76/73/131/73/130
Shedinja: 3/229/114/76/76/102
Pelipper: 84/70/140/119/98/91

I REALLY like this metagame, as pretty much every pokemon, except for base 680 legendaries, are really good and fun to use.

First off, Cranidos's speed isn't anything important... 99 base speed is pretty low in the current meta, and so even with a scarf all sorts of things are going to walk all over it, including ScarfRaptor and ScarfVibrava.

Also, on shedinja, you neglected to mention the most important part.

SHEDINJA HAS 3 BASE HP.

What does this mean?

Since the HP calculator only treats one base HP differently, at level 100 with perfect IVs and 0 EVs, shedinja will have 147 HP. That's enough to switch into stealth rock five times. Or not die isntantly to toxic. You'll see shedinja running other items... even Life Orb Shedinja, which has always been a joke. Or it can run scarf or Band ([252 atk adamant has] 612 attack, choice banded, with priority. O.o)

Put that on top of it's ability to cause switches and (with 252 Atk/252 Spe Jolly) 557 Attack + Swords Dance + Good Priority (and 333 speed seems a bit slow in the current meta). Shedinja is going to be an incredible mon, either with more defensive sets (Will-O-Wisp + Trick Scarf/Band on the switches it causes) or offenses (Swords Dance, Choiced).

Unfortunately, offensive sets lose out in the movepool category. Shadow Sneak, X-Scissor, Return, and, uh... Dig? Phantom Force? Shedinja doesn't have a whole lot to go on there.

A more defensive shedinja could use protect to scout for super effective moves/status (it's still pretty frail), Will-O-Wisp for support, and Trick to cripple walls like Skarmory who think they can switch in.

Also, gamefreak... whyever did you give shedinja final gambit? D:

 

[Albacore]

I'm pretty sure Shedninja's HP is hardcoded to be equal to 1. So, even if it has base 3 HP, it will still have 1 HP.

Dedenne is kinda usable now, I guess. Also, Skarmory & Foretress have insane physical bulk.

I'd recommend scaling Megas to reach 700 BST and make them usable.

Also, could you please make the colors of the stats table less... bright? It kinda hurts my eyes...

 

[a__man]

I wish Chansey had 333 Base HP (250*600/450): it would mean you'd have to muscle through 870 points of HP backed by 140 Base Sp. Def... but only 7 Base Defense.

 

[PokemonMasterDebater]

I wish Chansey had 333 Base HP (250*600/450): it would mean you'd have to muscle through 870 points of HP backed by 140 Base Sp. Def... but only 7 Base Defense.

I know that base stats higher than 255 are impossible in the cartridge games, but I wonder if that is also true for PS. Certainly an interesting thought.

 

[Aragorn the King]

Another point:

- OH MY GOD!

281/49/86/49/86/49

Asterat: I have a couple questions:
* How do HP stats larger than 255 work? Also, why didn't chansey's HP scale up, but Blissey's did?
* How does Shedinja's HP work?
* Is Gothitelle still banned? It isn't on the ban list.
* Will the ban list ever be tested? I personally don't think Mega-Mom would be that broken in a game with pokemon with attack stats over 210 + capability of Choice Band. Plus, defensive pokemon's defenses are increased, such that Parental bond may not be broken.

 

[asterat]

Ok time to respond to everybody's questions.

Shedinja- If possible Shedinja will have 3 HP, sort of like it had 16 HP in tier shift. This reduces the extreme gimmick of 1 HP shedinja and makes it more viable. I'm pretty sure this will be easy to do but if not it will have 1 HP, definitely not 147.

255+ Stats- this is impossible on pokemon showdown so stats need to be capped at 255 (highest stat in the game.) I haven't done it yet, but the stats over will be redistributed among the other stats in a similar fashion to to how I distributed the 600. I'm not sure if I caught all of the mons I need to do this for but this is my current list:

Blissey
Igglybuff
Chansey
Jigglypuff
Shuckle
Wobbuffet

Mega Evolutions- Mega evolutions will be kept at 600 BST, rescaling to 700 will only result in the banning of all viable mega evolutions. You can definitely use charizard-y or venusaur, not to mention banette. If rescaled to 700 we would have to say goodbye to almost all of them. I see where this argument comes from but it would just enlarge the banlist, so I'm not going to go with it.

Bans- All bans are pretty obvious and will not be tested. Megamom is incredibly powerful and would be broken, even if not as much as most of the other bans. I believe mega gengar is uncompetitive, so that's where that ban came from and where a possible gothitelle family ban may come from.

 

[Aragorn the King]

Ok time to respond to everybody's questions.

Shedinja- If possible Shedinja will have 3 HP, sort of like it had 16 HP in tier shift. This reduces the extreme gimmick of 1 HP shedinja and makes it more viable. I'm pretty sure this will be easy to do but if not it will have 1 HP, definitely not 147.

255+ Stats- this is impossible on pokemon showdown so stats need to be capped at 255 (highest stat in the game.) I haven't done it yet, but the stats over will be redistributed among the other stats in a similar fashion to to how I distributed the 600. I'm not sure if I caught all of the mons I need to do this for but this is my current list:

Blissey
Igglybuff
Chansey
Jigglypuff
Shuckle

Mega Evolutions- Mega evolutions will be kept at 600 BST, rescaling to 700 will only result in the banning of all viable mega evolutions. You can definitely use charizard-y or venusaur, not to mention banette. If rescaled to 700 we would have to say goodbye to almost all of them. I see where this argument comes from but it would just enlarge the banlist, so I'm not going to go with it.

Bans- All bans are pretty obvious and will not be tested. Megamom is incredibly powerful and would be broken, even if not as much as most of the other bans. I believe mega gengar is uncompetitive, so that's where that ban came from and where a possible gothitelle family ban may come from.

Happiny also needs its stats to add up to 600.

 

[canno]

255+ Stats- this is impossible on pokemon showdown so stats need to be capped at 255 (highest stat in the game.) I haven't done it yet, but the stats over will be redistributed among the other stats in a similar fashion to to how I distributed the 600. I'm not sure if I caught all of the mons I need to do this for but this is my current list:

Blissey
Igglybuff
Chansey
Jigglypuff
Shuckle

From what I can see, you're missing Wobbufett, who has base 281 HP right now

 

[BuriedAlive]

Another point:

- OH MY GOD!

281/49/86/49/86/49

If HP is capped at 255 like in Swapmons then Wynaut is better. Otherwise they're pretty much the same.

(Swapmons being dead is good enough reason to ban unaware IMO)

 

[nightsitter]

Ok time to respond to everybody's questions.

Mega Evolutions- Mega evolutions will be kept at 600 BST, rescaling to 700 will only result in the banning of all viable mega evolutions. You can definitely use charizard-y or venusaur, not to mention banette. If rescaled to 700 we would have to say goodbye to almost all of them. I see where this argument comes from but it would just enlarge the banlist, so I'm not going to go with it.

Bans- All bans are pretty obvious and will not be tested. Megamom is incredibly powerful and would be broken, even if not as much as most of the other bans. I believe mega gengar is uncompetitive, so that's where that ban came from and where a possible gothitelle family ban may come from.

Then what's the point of mega evolutions? In the current OU metagame, only a few are banned. The reason that most are legal is because they need to hold a mega stone. I see no reason why they can't be scaled to 700.

That said, I understand the Mega Kanga and Mega Gengar bans, as they're just too darn powerful/trappy. The only other potential bans I could see happening (that aren't already banned) are the Gothitelle line, the Dugtrio line, and Sableye.

 

[Pikachuun]

255+ Stats- this is impossible on pokemon showdown so stats need to be capped at 255 (highest stat in the game.)

Are you sure this is true? I can throw 5 types on something in Showdown, so this may be possible.
EDIT: Nothing says it's impossible, just checked GitHub.

 

[Kingpoleon]

Ok time to respond to everybody's questions.

Shedinja- If possible Shedinja will have 3 HP, sort of like it had 16 HP in tier shift. This reduces the extreme gimmick of 1 HP shedinja and makes it more viable. I'm pretty sure this will be easy to do but if not it will have 1 HP, definitely not 147.

255+ Stats- this is impossible on pokemon showdown so stats need to be capped at 255 (highest stat in the game.) I haven't done it yet, but the stats over will be redistributed among the other stats in a similar fashion to to how I distributed the 600. I'm not sure if I caught all of the mons I need to do this for but this is my current list:

Blissey
Igglybuff
Chansey
Jigglypuff
Shuckle

Mega Evolutions- Mega evolutions will be kept at 600 BST, rescaling to 700 will only result in the banning of all viable mega evolutions. You can definitely use charizard-y or venusaur, not to mention banette. If rescaled to 700 we would have to say goodbye to almost all of them. I see where this argument comes from but it would just enlarge the banlist, so I'm not going to go with it.

Bans- All bans are pretty obvious and will not be tested. Megamom is incredibly powerful and would be broken, even if not as much as most of the other bans. I believe mega gengar is uncompetitive, so that's where that ban came from and where a possible gothitelle family ban may come from.

I meant 500 rescaling and unban a few Megas. Also, what is megamom, lol?

 

[Momblast]

I think megamom is mega kangaskhan

 

[sparktrain]

Goomy: 90/100/70/110/150/80

Sliggoo: 90/100/70/110/150/80

Goodra: 90/100/70/110/150/80

Take your pick!

Cottonee: 86/58/129/79/107/141

If you thought Whimsicott was annoying, how about one that's actually pretty bulky?

Abra: 48/39/29/203/106/174

Better bring some physical priority...

 

[TalkTakesTime]

Ok time to respond to everybody's questions.

Shedinja- If possible Shedinja will have 3 HP, sort of like it had 16 HP in tier shift. This reduces the extreme gimmick of 1 HP shedinja and makes it more viable. I'm pretty sure this will be easy to do but if not it will have 1 HP, definitely not 147.

255+ Stats- this is impossible on pokemon showdown so stats need to be capped at 255 (highest stat in the game.) I haven't done it yet, but the stats over will be redistributed among the other stats in a similar fashion to to how I distributed the 600. I'm not sure if I caught all of the mons I need to do this for but this is my current list:

Blissey
Igglybuff
Chansey
Jigglypuff
Shuckle

Mega Evolutions- Mega evolutions will be kept at 600 BST, rescaling to 700 will only result in the banning of all viable mega evolutions. You can definitely use charizard-y or venusaur, not to mention banette. If rescaled to 700 we would have to say goodbye to almost all of them. I see where this argument comes from but it would just enlarge the banlist, so I'm not going to go with it.

Bans- All bans are pretty obvious and will not be tested. Megamom is incredibly powerful and would be broken, even if not as much as most of the other bans. I believe mega gengar is uncompetitive, so that's where that ban came from and where a possible gothitelle family ban may come from.

I've implemented this on Joim's Lab. Shedinja will have 147 HP since it's only hardcoded on PS if it has base 1 HP. Let me know when you have redistributed the stats that are greater than 255 and I'll update it. If anyone finds any bugs, let me know. Otherwise, have fun playing!

 

[asterat]

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/joimslab-scalemons-426
Replay! Also the shedinja thing should be fixed to 3 HP.

 

[Kingpoleon]

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/joimslab-scalemons-426
Replay! Also the shedinja thing should be fixed to 3 HP.

426 battles already? This is getting really popular. Now if the spreadsheet would just open up for me on this device all would be right with the world Scalemons.

 

[Monte Cristo]

426 battles already? This is getting really popular. Now if the spreadsheet would just open up for me on this device all would be right with the world Scalemons.

fyi the 426 represents the amount of battles total for every format combined since the server has started

 

[toxicroaker]

These are the ones that catch my eye.

Diglett 23/125/57/79/102/215
Abra 48/39/29/203/106/174
Shellder 59/128/197/89/49/79
Gastly 58/68/58/194/68/155
Magicarp 60/30/165/45/60/240
Ditto 100/100/100/100/100/100
Pichu 59/117/44/102/102/176
Wobbuffet 281/49/86/49/86/49
Sneasel 77/133/77/49/105/160
Grovyle 74/96/67/126/96/141
Shroomish 122/81/122/81/122/71
Breloom 78/170/104/78/78/91
Ninjask 80/118/59/66/66/211
Shedinja 3/229/114/76/76/102
Sabeleye 79/118/118/103/103/79
Carvanha 89/177/39/128/39/128
Spinda 100/100/100/100/100/100
Trapinch 93/207/93/93/93/21
Zangoose 96/151/79/79/79/118
Claydol 72/84/126/84/144/90
Tropius 129/89/108/94/113/67
Wynat 219/53/111/53/111/53
Clamperl 61/111/148/129/96/56
Staraptor 105/148/87/62/74/124
Ambipom 93/124/82/75/82/143
Bronzor 114/48/172/48/172/46
Chatot 111/95/66/134/61/133
Riolu 84/147/84/74/84/126
Weavile 82/141/76/53/100/147
Cottonee 86/58/129/79/107/141
Sandile 103/148/72/72/72/134
Scraggy 86/129/121/60/121/83
Zoroark 71/124/71/141/71/124
Ferrothorn 91/115/161/66/142/25
Mienshao 76/147/71/112/71/124
Frogadier 80/93/77/123/83/144
Heliolisk 77/69/65/136/117/136
Klefki 73/102/116/102/111/96
Trevenant 108/139/96/82/104/71