I don't see this working - Rotom Wash tricks scarf because it's good at abusing it and offhanding it to potential walls. Toxic orb cripples your own Washtom permanently with no benefits if you cannot click Trick turn 1 against something (e.g. Gholdengo, switching in Washtom against Gliscor who it would otherwise beat etc.)
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4
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Yeah I get that but crippling your opponent with the toxic orb is definitely worth sacrificing rotom wash imo. I feel like in this situation the pros definitely outweigh the cons in this situation. Not that I don't see the flaws in this (giving the toxic orb to gholdengo would be kind of bad) but I feel like the pros outweigh the cons here.
More to the point, what walls are you crippling with Toxic other than Blissey? Gliscor doesn't care, Great Tusk is better burned or Pumped, Iron Crown doesn't care and switches out, Roaring moon is better burned, Dondozo gets Volt Switched or T'bolted for massive damage, and Clodsire and Pecharunt really don't care.
What do you guys feel makes Pawmot so terrible in OU? Amazing Typing, above average movepool, decent speed and a pretty broken move in revival blessing
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115 attack, below average speed and no bulk,
Why would I use a shit mon (half of one good Pokemon) just to bring back half of another good Pokemon. The math turns out the same if I just use a good Pokemon in place of Pawmot
You have much powerful STAB Close Combat in Great Tusk and Zama and due to its 105 base Atk (which would be considered mediocre in the tier, for not saying bad because it is not as bad) you are not gaining nothing in using it as a physical attacker, as it is usually played in other tiers.
Maybe reviving a team-mate could be beneficial in certain moments, but it is not fast enough to do it, not bulky enough to survive a hit and use Revival Blessing... and if is successful, it is reviving the team mate at 50%; don't see the utility, maybe to have fun
Revival Blessing tends to be more of a win more button than a turn the tide button. Offensive teams with momentum are more likely to be able to KO Pawmot before it revives something and/or whatever you brought back at half health. Unless you are utilizing a very niche strategy that relies on spamming a specific mon or two, RB tends to be fairly lacking.
Pawmot is also kinda like running a 5 v 6 in the first place because the stats are so bad. It only has speed and power over base 100. The rest are straight trash. This could be fine if the attack and speed were good enough. They aren't. 106 speed isn't good by gen 9 standards. 110 speed in gen 9 is like the old 100 speed tier in some past gens. You are slow if you are slower and only truly fast if you are above that threshold. Pawmot being below 110 speed doesn't help it as an offensive mon at all.
The power is also a problem. Unboosted 115 attack isn't good enough in the most power crept gen to date. Pawmot's strongest reliable moves are Double Shock and Close Combat. Both come with some downsides. Using Pawmot in any decent offensive capacity usually involves Tera Electric Double Shock, usually with a boosting item to let the bonus multipliers stack. However, we also have a lot of good Ground types in the tier that tend to be great glue mons. Tera Ground itself is fairly common, too.
Pawmot's movepool make the ability Iron Fist nearly worthless on it. Here is a list of moves Pawmot know that are effected by Iron Fist:
Fire Punch
Focus Punch
Ice Punch
Mach Punch
Thunder Punch
What are we talking about here? Focus Punch is only usable on niche on Sub sets for certain mons. It isn't reliable. Mach punch is decent priority, but not that strong on Pawmot compared to mons like Conkeldurr or Breloom. And even then, Conk would run Guts over Iron Fist because the boost is higher. Breloom use Technician, which again gives a higher boost to the move. Iron Fist doesn't give enough of a boost. The rest of these are low base power moves at 75 BP. A base 115 Attack mon with only a 1.2 boost isn't going to do a lot with that.
So what do we have? A mon that wants to be a glass cannon, that is too slow and weak to actually be a glass cannon, and whose move pool doesn't complement its only power boosting ability much.
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Pawmot doesn’t have to use Iron Fist. It also has the excellent Natural Cure, allowing it to attack Moltres without fear.
That's kind of true, but the problem is still power. 115 attack really isn't enough. Iron fist is the only power boosting ability it gets. If you don't use an ability to boost power, you are just stuck with the mid base 115 attack.
It’s been seeing use as an alternative (and better imo) Webs setter than Ribombee because it lets Webs teams not get 6-0ed by Iron Moths while having the bulk to potentially set Webs multiple times in a match, helped by Custap Berry letting it move first if used correctly. Also helps that it has a favorable matchup into most opposing Rockers and annihilates the most common removal option in Great Tusk.
ha. HAHAHAHA. I KNEW IT. I KNEW that STINKATON was always going to be a fad. FUCK that little gremlin piece of shit.
So that this isn't a one-liner: I wonder if Tusk is going to start running Head Smash or Rock Slide/Tomb to fight back against Araquanid, or Lando running Stone Edge. What are some other anti-spider countermeasures that can be easily used?
Rockslide Tusk has been my answer for a lot of deeply annoying things in this game. Removes the birds, Now the spider, and makes your match up into the stupid ice dragon better if you prefer headlong over CC. Too bad that there's still no fucking Rockmove that isn't 100 accuracy that is readily applicable.
Rock Slide doesn't actually remove any of the birds aside from Moltres due to the low Base Power.
252 Atk Great Tusk Rock Slide vs. 248 HP / 244+ Def Zapdos: 134-158 (34.9 - 41.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
You'd need roughly 31% chip to 2HKO Zapdos, not to mention that it can still miss, and Rock Slide obviously tickles something like Corviknight.
252 Atk Great Tusk Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem: 180-214 (46 - 54.7%) -- 58.2% chance to 2HKO
And against Kyurem, it's not even a guaranteed 2HKO, so if you chunk it once, it could still survive if you switch out and hit it with Rock Slide again when it comes in.
Usually, I believe more accurate moves are better than less accurate moves, but with a 25 Base Power difference between Stone Edge and Rock Slide and only a 10% increase in accuracy, I believe Rock Slide tends to not be worth it unless you get STAB on it, some other power multiplier like Sand Force for Excadrill in Gen 5, or have Swords Dance.
252 Atk Great Tusk Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 244+ Def Zapdos: 178-210 (46.4 - 54.8%) -- 59% chance to 2HKO
For reference, Stone Edge can 2HKO Zapdos, whereas Rock Slide never does.
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Local Pawmot enthusiast here. Two main reasons:
1. You’re using a Pokémon that applies a field effect on switchin, (i.e. weather or terrain), and want access to a safety net. Pawmot also enables an aggressive sack of a setter earlier in a game to get up a field effect in a situation where the setter won’t survive a switchin while still allowing a potential extra switchin later in the game.
2. You’re running a hyper offensive playstyle and don’t have the liberty of defensive switchins. Pawmot lets you sack a win contition and still (potentially) win with it, assuming it is a Pokémon capable of setting up to win from half HP or Healing Wish support is used alongside it. On that note, Pawmot lets you get multiple uses out of a single Healing Wish user.
Basically, Pawmot is a Pokémon whose niche in OU really is only valuable on certain very offensive playstyles, but it does exist. Balance or anything bulkier than that doesn’t have a use for it in this tier.
Ok, so Pawmot's microniche is being a shitty Lokix for HO, but instead of Priority, it's Double Shock calcs? Along with "multiple" Healing Wish users?
what
Ive been using adamant cornerstone to beat araquinids and the birds. Adamant is honestly better for guaranteeing kills, and you can run anything outside of knock off, power whip, and ivy cudgel. Maybe spikes could work but i havent tried it yet.
Water Bubble is a cool ability, its bulk and better matchup into hazard removers lets it set up webs a lot more consistently than Ribombee, and its bulk lets it do cool stuff like custap endeavor, endure, stuff like that.
ace, hatt, weav, dnite, boots tusk, clear body/boots pult, boots zama, and scarf enam are just a few examples of relevant mons that cover your webs MU
Well you'd still be wrong because the only thing that happened was ladder being dumb. Tinkaton is well regarded and a strong pick in the tier. Also chill. You're acting like Tinkaton emptied your whole live savings or something.
Anyways
I don't know if adamant Pon is worth it on much of anything. Of course someone chime in if there is a practical case, but I feel the speed drop from Jolly is too big and makes the mon much more clunky.
For me, the speed drop isnt too signifigant, since you naturally outspeed the targets you want to kill anyways(kyurem, gliscor, tusk). The only MU thats changed is with iron crown and the other ogerpons(though it is still a scary speed tie even with jolly). Adamant guarantees ohkos on targets like offensive tusk, garg after rocks, and threatening zapdos with a potential ohko.
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You could use Smack Down if you really want to kill the birds... also Headlong is stronger than Rock Slide vs Kyurem. Smack Down lets you beat Corv and Zapdos, while also 2HKOing Moltres without making contact.