M&M Mix and Mega Resources

[QT]

Mix & Mega Viability Rankings
(Last Updated on December 3rd, 2024)​

Once again, it's time (past time really) for another VR update!

Rises

Arceus-Ghost Rose from B+ to A-
Arceus-Water Rose from B+ to A-
Archaludon Rose from C to C+
Basculegion-F Rose from C to B-
Basculegion-M Rose from C to B-
Ceruledge Rose from B- to A-
Clodsire Rose from B to B+
Cresselia Rose from B- to B
Great Tusk Rose from A- to A
Hippowdon Rose from B+ to A-
Hoopa-U Rose from B- to B+
Indeedee Rose from C to B-
Iron Crown Rose from C to B+
Iron Moth Rose from C to B-
Kommo-o Rose from UR to C
Lunala Rose from A- to A
Magearna Rose from A- to A+
Mandibuzz Rose from B+ to A-
Necrozma-DM Rose from B- to B
Pecharunt Rose from B to A-
Raging Bol Rose from B+ to A-
Swampert Rose from UR to C
Urshifu-R Rose from A to A+
Walking Wake Rose from B+ to A

Drops

Arcanine-Hisui Fell from A to A-
Arceus-Poison Fell from B- to C
Barraskewda Fell from B- to C
Baxcalibur Fell from B+ to B
Chien Pao Fell from B to C
Corviknight Fell from A to A-
Eternatus Fell from S to A+
Heatran Fell from B to B-
Kilowattrel Fell from A- to B
Lugia Fell from A- to Unranked
Samurott-Hisui Fell from A to B+
Scream TailFell from B to B-
Slowbro Fell from B to C
Slowking-Galar Fell from A- to B+
Weavile Fell from B to B-
Zapdos Fell from B to B-
Zapdos-Galar Fell from B- to C

 

[RainebowValiant]

The Mega Stone Guide is insanely outdated, is it getting an update? /genq I'm wondering. Especially since the Red Orb ban and the Aggronite change.

 

[Time2Bonk]

The Mega Stone Guide is insanely outdated, is it getting an update? /genq I'm wondering. Especially since the Red Orb ban and the Aggronite change.

Can't speak for the mega guide itself but we are planning on going through & updating all resources soon, it's just that it's the holidays right now, which means that most of us are busy but expect some updates the coming month :)

 

[Imw0rstadP0keM0n]

So, was the Aggronite change actually useful to any mon? I can't really find a case where's its a positive outside of shitmons like Trevenant lmao, what with the relevance of Ground/Fight supremacy

 

[RainebowValiant]

So, was the Aggronite change actually useful to any mon? I can't really find a case where's its a positive outside of shitmons like Trevenant lmao, what with the relevance of Ground/Fight supremacy

Zamazenta is no longer weak to pixelate espeed, and most other common users now resist it. Idk how much that matters but it probably makes zama slightly better

 

[Lightniong]

Zamazenta is no longer weak to pixelate espeed, and most other common users now resist it. Idk how much that matters but it probably makes zama slightly better

Agronomem iron press zama gon go crazy

 

[Time2Bonk]

Resource update! I've gone ahead and updated the Speed Tiers as well as the Role Compendium. As usual, if you find any mistakes or think that something's missing, feel free to reach out and I'll fix it. In addition...

With some much appreciated help from Chessking345 we now have a Tiering History! It will (hopefully) get added to the OP, but as for now you can find it just below:

Tiering History:

Click to see dates and links for each action

Date
Nov 18, 2022	[Gen 9] Mix and Mega goes live on Pokemon Showdown!
Nov 22, 2022	Miraidon quickbanned, Iron Bundle restricted
Dec 4, 2022	Kilowattrel restricted
Dec 12, 2022	Koraidon quickbanned
Feb 22, 2023	Sandy Shocks suspected
Mar 8, 2023	Sandy Shocks restricted via suspect, New item-based forme changes added
Mar 10, 2023	Roaring Moon restricted
Mar 13, 2023	Rusted Sword quickbanned, Roaring Moon unrestricted
Mar 20, 2023	Dragapult restricted, Terastallization suspected
Apr 6, 2023	Terastallization banned via suspect
May 7, 2023	Gholdengo suspected
May 18, 2023	Gholdengo suspect cancelled
May 20, 2023	Gholdengo restricted
May 30, 2023	Pokémon HOME is live, Sandy Shocks, Koraidon, Kilowattrel, Urshifu-Rapid-Strike unrestricted
May 31, 2023	Koraidon quickbanned, Gholdengo unrestricted
June 2, 2023	Kyogre quickbanned, Zapdos, Sneasler, Kilowattrel restricted
June 10, 2023	Eternatus quickbanned, Basculegion-M restricted
June 18, 2023	Gholdengo, Urshifu-Rapid-Strike restricted
July 13, 2023	Magearna suspected
July 25, 2023	Magearna remains unrestricted via suspect
July 27, 2023	Pidgeotite suspected
Aug 9, 2023	Pidgeotite banned via suspect, Zapdos unrestricted
Sept 22, 2023	Manaphy restricted
Sept 23, 2023	Ogerpon Masks are added as transformation items
Oct 19, 2023	Ursaluna-Bloodmoon restricted
Oct 22, 2023	Jolteon suspected
Nov 7, 2023	Jolteon restricted by suspect, Enamorus restricted
Dec 16, 2023	DLC 2 is live, Eternatus unbanned, Urshifu-Rapid-Strike unrestricted
Jan 29, 2024	Eternatus suspected
Feb 12, 2024	Eternatus remains unbanned via suspect
Mar 7, 2024	Urshifu-Rapid-Strike suspected
Mar 23, 2024	Urshifu-Rapid-Strike remains unrestricted via suspect
May 5, 2024	Gouging Fire suspected
May 20, 2024	Gouging Fire restricted via suspect
May 27, 2024	Red Orb suspected
June 11, 2024	Red Orb banned via suspect
June 13, 2024	Enamorus, Jolteon unrestricted
July 1, 2024	Solgaleo restricted
July 20, 2024	Kilowattrel unrestricted
Nov 9, 2024	Lugia suspected
Nov 25, 2024	Lugia restricted via suspect
Dec 12, 2024	Aggronite changed
Jan 6, 2025	Dragapult suspected
Jan 30, 2025	Dragapult unrestricted via suspect
Feb 3, 2025	Plates, Memories & Drives are added as transformation items

 

[RainebowValiant]

Resource update! I've gone ahead and updated the Speed Tiers as well as the Role Compendium. As usual, if you find any mistakes or think that something's missing, feel free to reach out and I'll fix it. In addition...

With some much appreciated help from Chessking345 we now have a Tiering History! It will (hopefully) get added to the OP, but as for now you can find it just below:

Tiering History:

Click to see dates and links for each action

Date
Nov 18, 2022	[Gen 9] Mix and Mega goes live on Pokemon Showdown!
Nov 22, 2022	Miraidon quickbanned, Iron Bundle restricted
Dec 4, 2022	Kilowattrel restricted
Dec 12, 2022	Koraidon quickbanned
Feb 22, 2023	Sandy Shocks suspected
Mar 8, 2023	Sandy Shocks restricted via suspect, New item-based forme changes added
Mar 10, 2023	Roaring Moon restricted
Mar 13, 2023	Rusted Sword quickbanned, Roaring Moon unrestricted
Mar 20, 2023	Dragapult restricted, Terastallization suspected
Apr 6, 2023	Terastallization banned via suspect
May 7, 2023	Gholdengo suspected
May 18, 2023	Gholdengo suspect cancelled
May 20, 2023	Gholdengo restricted
May 30, 2023	Pokémon HOME is live, Sandy Shocks, Koraidon, Kilowattrel, Urshifu-Rapid-Strike unrestricted
May 31, 2023	Koraidon quickbanned, Gholdengo unrestricted
June 2, 2023	Kyogre quickbanned, Zapdos, Sneasler, Kilowattrel restricted
June 10, 2023	Eternatus quickbanned, Basculegion-M restricted
June 18, 2023	Gholdengo, Urshifu-Rapid-Strike restricted
July 13, 2023	Magearna suspected
July 25, 2023	Magearna remains unrestricted via suspect
July 27, 2023	Pidgeotite suspected
Aug 9, 2023	Pidgeotite banned via suspect, Zapdos unrestricted
Sept 22, 2023	Manaphy restricted
Sept 23, 2023	Ogerpon Masks are added as transformation items
Oct 19, 2023	Ursaluna-Bloodmoon restricted
Oct 22, 2023	Jolteon suspected
Nov 7, 2023	Jolteon restricted by suspect, Enamorus restricted
Dec 16, 2023	DLC 2 is live, Eternatus unbanned, Urshifu-Rapid-Strike unrestricted
Jan 29, 2024	Eternatus suspected
Feb 12, 2024	Eternatus remains unbanned via suspect
Mar 7, 2024	Urshifu-Rapid-Strike suspected
Mar 23, 2024	Urshifu-Rapid-Strike remains unrestricted via suspect
May 5, 2024	Gouging Fire suspected
May 20, 2024	Gouging Fire restricted via suspect
May 27, 2024	Red Orb suspected
June 11, 2024	Red Orb banned via suspect
June 13, 2024	Enamorus, Jolteon unrestricted
July 1, 2024	Solgaleo restricted
July 20, 2024	Kilowattrel unrestricted
Nov 9, 2024	Lugia suspected
Nov 25, 2024	Lugia restricted via suspect
Dec 12, 2024	Aggronite changed
Jan 6, 2025	Dragapult suspected
Jan 30, 2025	Dragapult unrestricted via suspect
Feb 3, 2025	Plates, Memories & Drives are added as transformation items

Thank you Slither Wing you really first my impressions

 

[QT]

Mini VR Update! Nothing major has changed since the last slate, but we've got some rises and drops to reflect shifting metagame trends.

Rises

Walking Wake A to A+
Ceruledge A- to A
Pecharunt A- to A
Milotic B to B+
Zamazenta B to B+
Entei UR to B
Iron Treads UR to B-

drops

Regieleki S to A+
Arceus Ground A+ to A
Urshifu-RS A+ to A
Sandy Shocks A- to B+
Samurott-H B+ to B

 

[Siamato]

Nominating for C rank

Don't get me wrong, this mon isn't good. However, after playing it for a while cuz it seemed to be funny, I can quite confidently tell you that it gets a niche there.

A few things make it interesting:

- Has an insane special bulk able to withstand hits like Hpump from Lucar/Diancite Wake.
- Somehow resist pixispeed (be careful of Supercell Slam Eleki pre-mega, EQ from Dnite, Fire STAB from HK9 or Entei pre-mega).
- Is a consistent switch-in to Eternatus being able to pivot out.
- Is a consistent switch-in to Magearna but doesn't threat it much (Heat Wave annoys it at least).
- Is a consistent switch-in to Darkrai, Kilo, Kommo-o, Stail (non Psychic coverage) and Zapdos
- Is a switch-in to Raging Bolt, Moth and Spectrier but his likely to lose 1v1 so it's more of a pivot against them.
- Decent Garga check by virtue of double resist to IronPress + only takes 12,5% from Salt Cure. Can threat poison if Psalt has been removed.
- Can force out a few Arceus-form by virtue of threatening poison and being able to withstand Judgment at +1.
- Very useful ability pre-mega able to spread poison by just clicking U-Turn which is super valuable against bulky teams or bulky setup.

I ran Manectite cuz I already had a user of Sablenite. I think both are fine as well as Latiasite (even though Fezan is still quite bad against some common Ground, even with Levitate). Venu is prob okayish too being able to handle Weavile or Pixispeed Fire type more consistently.

Fezandipiti (M) @ Manectite 
Ability: Toxic Chain 
Tera Type: Poison 
EVs: 248 HP / 104 Def / 156 SpD 
Calm Nature 
- Sludge Bomb 
- Heat Wave 
- U-turn 
- Roost

 

[zastra]

The transformation item guide is now updated! New items (plates/memories/drives) have been added, mentions of Red Orb and other banned things removed, and Rusted Sword has been moved from banned to offensive items category. I've also added all the latest metagame trends in writeups, edited in sprites of common users, and made a few shifts in categories. There's also a new spoiler on top items now. If you notice any mistakes, please DM me!

 

[Solosis]

Here's my Personal MnM VR (ik its pretty inaccurate and weird since I added too many bad mons especially in the lower tiers cuz they were funny....)

Open at your own risks :)

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S Rank:
Magearna

S- Rank:
Garganacl
Regieleki

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A+ Rank:
Ceruledge
Dragonite
Great Tusk
Pecharunt
Raging Bolt
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike

A Rank:
Arceus-Ghost
Arceus-Ground
Eternatus

A- Rank:
Arceus-Fairy
Ho-Oh
Kingambit
Lunala
Spectrier

---

B+ Rank:
Arcanine-Hisui
Arceus-Water
Clodsire
Corviknight
Entei
Mandibuzz
Zamazenta

B Rank:
Arceus
Arceus-Poison
Deoxys-Speed
Groudon
Hoopa-Unbound
Iron Boulder
Iron Crown
Milotic
Samurott-Hisui
Sandy Shocks
Swampert

B- Rank:
Basculegion
Basculegion-F
Baxcalibur
Hippowdon
Indeedee-F
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane
Slowking-Galar
Zapdos

---

 

[Giagantic]

So just gonna repeat what I said in the MnM section of OMcord.

Pecharunt for A+

Pecharunt whilst not all that flexible in terms of moves more then makes up for it with its tools at hand in tandem with the stones available in MnM. Even the moves it does have and use are all very valuable and allow it to do things ranging from pivoting (parting shot), to setting up (nasty plot), and more. Latiasite Pecharunt is extremely potent into many of the tiers greatest threats, and capable of punishing them with Malignant Chains or Shadow Balls, choice of parting shot or nasty plot is entirely team dependent and player dependent. Other stones include Sablenite, Diancite, and Gyaradosite, all of which modify the role of Pecharunt with only slight changes to the move set. It is central to MnM metagame as far as I am concerned capable of handling most physical threats, even trading into some super effective hits due to the amazing defensive stat, and can also handle weak special attackers with special defense investment. The Mon is just so valuable.

 

[FlamPoke]

Between my two alts I've played ~100 games of MnM the past two weeks (mostly just clicking while at work...) and want to contribute some opinions on my personal VR. All of the tiers are ordered alphabetically and I'll try to mention relevant items where I feel they fit. Viewer discretion is advised.

S:
Nothing. I agree with the VR as it is now, not any one mon stands out above the rest!

A+:
- Altarianite and Pinsirite are both equally devastating
- I think Sablenite is the best option but regardless of item it is quite annoying to handle Salt Cure chip
- Latiasite is borderline A to me at times but it is a very effective defensive pivot into a lot of ESpeed stuff and pyu sold me on Grass Knot the other day in the OM room which is actually super nifty
- Although my own success with Diancite sets was kinda mixed, Gia certainly proved it is a potent offensive threat. Gyaradosite is really splashable and Latiasite is okay as well
- Altarianite and Glalitite are both equally devastating, it's also a great pivot to get other mons into good spots

A:
/ - Lumping these two together, Ground is a nice offensive threat and Water is a great defensive mon
- Not much can take a +2 Lucarionite Poltergeist and it has plenty of teammates that can get it advantageous matchups
- Life Orb sets are really tough to switch into and Rocky Helmet is one of the best ways to deter Urshifu from clicking buttons
- Defensive and offensive sets are equally effective, with Pinsirite standing out as one of my favorite items overall
- I am Hippo-pilled, I love Sablenite Whirlwind sets so so much in this meta
- Deceptively strong breaker that struggles to hit the field at times but can blow stuff up like few others
- Lucarionite sets are one or two clicks away from just taking down every mon that isn't an ESpeed mon (I click Volt on the Dragonite because I know it's clicking DD...)
- One of the trickiest mons to manuever around, Metagrossite RS is so strong

A-:
- Intimidate is sneaky good prior to using your Mega and then it has two great choices in Altaranite and Pinsirite, to go along with Morning Sun as well
/ - Ghost is strong, Fairy is great offensively or defensively, good mons
- Altarianite Entei (Adamant especially) is really dynamic into a lot of standard Magearna + Urshifu teams
- One of the premiere defensive pivots that can also use Whirlwind to great effect, good mon
- Another excellent defensive pivot with a ton of utility, Aggronite sets are quite good
- I could maybe argue Aggronite Zama to A but the combination of that + Lopunnite fit fine in A-

B+:

Metagrossite Iron Boulder is deceptively strong and Milotic is pretty good at defensive pivoting and anti-setup

B:


B-:

 

[zastra]

personal vr

S​

A+​

A​

A-​

B+​

B​

B-​

C+​

C​

C-​

Teams I used in OMPL:
W1 https://pokepast.es/5d46e4a11fb01e01 (W)
W2 https://pokepast.es/7a56808184639709 (L)
W3 https://pokepast.es/42424cb9b55a80c2 (W)
W4 https://pokepast.es/a131ed30f6ec6aee (W)
W5 https://pokepast.es/4f58049d028433b7 (W)
W6 https://pokepast.es/449837298dabcba8 (L)
W7 https://pokepast.es/c3e8789d5e0a715c (W)

 

[Giagantic]

Hi, been a while since I posted anything constructive (everything I do is behind the scenes crap nowadays) but I wanna re-hype up a Pokemon I really like and in a non-traditional way as well.

Pecharunt
Poison Puppeteer
88/88/160/88/88/88 BST: 600
​

Now I posted about this "recently" but I wanna hype up my non-traditional usage of Pecharunt as everyone and their mother uses it with Sablenite or some other defensive / utility stone.

What I use Pecharunt for is as an Offensive threat! You see Pecharunt has acceptable attack, special attack, and speed that when modified primarily by Diancite results in the following:

Which is actually really good, it is fast, capable of both special and physical usage and it's physical defense isn't handicapped all that badly (it's special defense is rendered awful but it was already mediocre prior to mega-ing anyways!) Diancite Pecharunt is capable of outspeeding pretty much the entire metagame, even some that have boosted such as Dragonite after a Dragon Dance.

Now you may be wondering what it does, simple, the basic set is as follows:

Pecharunt @ Diancite
Ability: Poison Puppeteer
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Shadow Ball / Hex
- Malignant Chain
- Nasty Plot
- Recover

And after a Nasty Plot much of the metagame can't take a hit (some can) but the great thing is you have pre-mega and post-mega mind-games to play with and the defenses that come along with it being able to eat physical hit in either form but especially prior to mega-ing. Even prior to Nasty Ploting it has as I said the pre-mega dynamics at hand such as abusing poison puppeteer with Malignant Chain or predicting the obvious Magearna switchin and Nasty Plot whilst remaining un-mega'd and for the most part Magearna can't do anything to you unless it is running Flash Cannon (even then you have the advantage).

I've also theorized but not tested other stones as well, and the usage of a physical Pecharunt with Poltergeist and Gunk Shot.

Other sets include:

​

Potentially more, point is Pecharunt is being slept on from my perspective and it's primary answer is itself in Sablenite Pecharunt but aside from that there aren't a ton of commonly use pokemon that do anything to stop it, so give it a try, and rank it A+ on the Tier List!

 

[Lightniong]

a bit late, but since i'm out of ssnl, here's my viability rankings

(tiers up to b+ are ranked internally)

S


A+


A


A-


B+


B


B-


C


2 teams as usual:
https://pokepast.es/d5a6c6e65d73db26 otr magearna ho
https://pokepast.es/f15ed53c4c7b2882 baxcalibur psyterrain

overall dissapointed in my run, especially compared to what i pulled off last year, but you kinda just gotta reflect, train, and come back harder next year, so see yall in om majors (or omcl if i get offered to do undrafted support)
(also i didn't go 0-4 in omfl what you talking about)

 

[zastra]

VR Update time! Here's the voting sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bBD9ZLR285oXSO6xXUyrsvLA1z3-aUN-yqn-NkMnNUU/edit?usp=sharing

Rises

Regieleki Rose from A+ to S
Great-Tusk Rose from A to S
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Rose from A to A+
Arceus-Ghost Rose from A- to A
Arceus-Water Rose from A- to A
Raging-Bolt Rose from A- to A+
Iron-Crown Rose from B+ to A-
Milotic Rose from B+ to A-
Spectrier Rose from B+ to A
Zamazenta Rose from B+ to A+
Entei Rose from B to A-
Kingambit Rose from B to B+
Samurott-Hisui Rose from B to A-
Basculegion-F Rose from B- to B
Basculegion Rose from B- to B
Deoxys-Speed Rose from B- to B+
Groudon Rose from B- to B
Heatran Rose from B- to B
Iron-Moth Rose from B- to A-
Zapdos Rose from B- to B+
Alomomola Rose from C to B-
Archaludon Rose from C to B
Giratina Rose from C to B-
Swampert Rose from C to B+
Arceus-Poison Rose from C to A-
Blissey Rose from UR to B-
Dondozo Rose from UR to C
Delphox Rose from UR to B-
Landorus-Therian Rose from UR to C
Roaring-Moon Rose from UR to B
Pelipper Rose from UR to B

Drops

Arceus-Ground Fell from A to A-
Ho-Oh Fell from A to B+
Lunala Fell from A to A-
Arcanine-Hisui Fell from A- to B+
Corviknight Fell from A- to B+
Hippowdon Fell from A- to B-
Mandibuzz Fell from A- to B
Hoopa-Unbound Fell from B+ to B-
Iron-Boulder Fell from B+ to B-
Sandy-Shocks Fell from B+ to B
Slowking-Galar Fell from B+ to B
Baxcalibur Fell from B to B-
Calyrex-Ice Fell from B to B-
Cresselia Fell from B to C
Weavile Fell from B- to C
Kyurem Fell from C to UR
Slowbro Fell from C to UR
Slowking Fell from C to UR
Toxapex Fell from C to UR
Thundurus Fell from C to UR
Ursaluna Fell from C to UR

Here's your new VR (VR post will be updated soon)

New VR

S Rank

Great Tusk [Pinsirite, Hearthflame Mask, Altarianite, Rusted Sword, Metagrossite, Lopunnite]
Regieleki [Altarianite, Glalitite, Light Clay]

A Rank
A+
Dragonite [Altarianite, Pinsirite, Salamencite]
Eternatus [Rocky Helmet, Life Orb, Power Herb, Heavy-Duty Boots]
Garganacl [Sablenite, Latiasite, Tyranitarite, Pinsirite]
Magearna [Latiasite, Sablenite, Manectite, Blue Orb, Pinsirite]
Raging Bolt [Lucarionite, Diancite]
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike [Metagrossite, Aerodactylite]
Zamazenta [Metagrossite, Aerodactylite, Rusted Sword, Aggronite]

A
Arceus-Ghost [Spooky Plate]
Arceus-Water [Splash Plate]
Pecharunt [Gyaradosite, Latiasite, Sablenite, Diancite]
Spectrier [Audinite, Lucarionite, Manectite, Altarianite]

A-
Arceus-Fairy [Pixie Plate]
Arceus-Ground [Earth Plate]
Arceus-Poison [Toxic Plate]
Entei [Altarianite, Pinsirite]
Iron Crown [Absolite, Diancite]
Iron Moth [Absolite, Latiasite]
Lunala [Heavy-Duty Boots, Power Herb, Rocky Helmet, Covert Cloak]
Milotic [Sablenite, Audinite]
Samurott-Hisui [Metagrossite]

B Rank
B+
Arcanine-Hisui [Altarianite, Pinsirite]
Arceus [Covert Cloak, Rocky Helmet]
Clodsire [Gyaradosite, Latiasite, Sablenite]
Corviknight [Sablenite, Venusaurite, Blue Orb]
Deoxys-Speed [Hearthflame Mask, Cameruptite, Light Clay, Lucarionite, Altarianite]
Ho-Oh [Heavy-Duty Boots, Choice Band]
Kingambit [Lucarionite, Aerodactylite]
Swampert [Sablenite]
Zapdos [Lucarionite, Blue Orb]

B
Archaludon [Swampertite]
Basculegion [Choice Scarf, Choice Band]
Basculegion-F [Lucarionite]
Darkrai [Lucarionite, Manectite, Absolite, Diancite]
Groudon [Leftovers, Heat Rock]
Heatran [Charizardite Y, Latiasite, Ampharosite]
Kilowattrel [Lucarionite, Blue Orb]
Mandibuzz [Sablenite, Venusaurite]
Necrozma-Dusk-Mane [Covert Cloak, Weakness Policy, Rocky Helmet]
Pelipper [Damp Rock]
Roaring Moon [Rusted Sword]
Sandy Shocks [Glalitite, Manectite, Absolite, Lucarionite]
Slowking-Galar [Sablenite, Latiasite]

B-
Alomomola [Sablenite, Rocky Helmet]
Baxcalibur [Heracronite]
Blissey [Sablenite]
Calyrex-Ice [Choice Band, Heavy-Duty Boots]
Delphox [Diancite, Absolite]
Giratina [Rocky Helmet]
Hippowdon [Sablenite, Venusaurite, Hearthflame Mask]
Hoopa-Unbound [Lucarionite, Diancite]
Indeedee-F [Terrain Extender]
Iron Boulder [Lopunnite, Metagrossite, Pinsirite]
Iron Treads [Metagrossite, Manectite, Latiosite]
Scream Tail [Gardevoirite]

C Rank

Annihilape [Sablenite]
Barraskewda [Lopunnite]
Chien Pao [Lucarionite]
Cresselia [Sablenite]
Dondozo [Leftovers]
Excadrill [Glalitite, Metagrossite, Latiosite]
Kommo-o [Altarianite]
Landorus-Therian [Hearthflame Mask, Pinsirite]
Magnezone [Lucarionite]
Weavile [Scizorite]
Zapdos-Galar [Metagrossite]

Major Changes
Great Tusk A to S
From HO to Stall, Great Tusk has immense utility on nearly every team structure. It's the tier's best hazard remover and arguably the best Stealth Rock setter. Great Tusk is very flexible with its stone choice, and recently, sets like Rusted Sword have started to pop up for role compression on offense as well as Altarianite to counter the rise of Raging Bolt. Hearthflame Mask sets are very good at punishing MagePech/Garganacl structures, and Pinsirite is still a metagame staple. Overall, Great Tusk's versatility and consistency is nearly unmatched, placing it comfortably in S rank as a cornerstone of the metagame.

Raging Bolt A- to A+
Raging Bolt has firmly cemented itself as one of the best offensive threats the metagame has to offer. As Walking Wake lite, Raging Bolt is capable of doing most of the same notorious things. The combination of Volt Switch + Draco Meteor is very difficult to handle and often requires the opponent to dance around with their Fairy and Ground type, which is not pleasant and often in the favour of the Raging Bolt player--mostly because the tier's best Ground-type, Great Tusk, is not Great against Raging Bolt. Thunderclap is also an amazing move, relieving its Speed issues and invalidating potential counterplay from faster Pokemon like Urshifu-R.

Zamazenta B+ to A+
Following a meteoric rise, Zamazenta has secured its spot in the upper ranks of the metagame and is, both literally and figuratively, a top dog of the tier. Zamazenta's stats and movepool are just excellent, and very few Pokemon like switching into it. Both Tough Claws and Rusted Sword variants make Zamazenta simultaneously one of the strongest and fastest wallbreakers available. Aggronite IDBP sets can also threaten a sweep against unprepared teams.

Entei B to A-
Overdue, Entei has been one of the best ESpeeders for a while. It's the dog you choose when you want to pick a fight with your opponent. The combination of Sacred Fire + Double Edge makes defensive counterplay very shaky, threatening burns on potential answers like Garganacl, Pecharunt and Arceus-Water, and Extreme Speed is good at revenge killing top metagame threats like Regieleki, Urshifu, Zamazenta, Raging Bolt, Dragonite, and more. Entei does a great job pressuring the omnipresent Magearna Spikes structures.

Ho-Oh A to B+
With things are SE MaskTusk, SE Zamazenta, Urshifu, Raging Bolt, SE / FacadeNite, Garganacl etc. on the rise... Ho-Oh just doesn't beat much nowadays.

Iron Moth B- to A-
Another rapid ascent. If you're looking for a strong and fast special attacker that pressures common Magearna structures, Iron Moth is your guy. Iron Moth bullies fairy types, and its coverage options such as Psychic do a great job limiting potential answers like Eternatus. Not much to say.

If you have any questions on any rise/drop, feel free to post in the thread and I'll (or someone else) try to explain as best as I can.

 

[Clas]

BAND BASC OFFICIALLY RANKED WUEYYYYYY

also slowking getting unranked feels really crazy to me, aggronite slowking constantly feels like it does something and audinite shares similar value to me since it really likes changing its type to suddenly pressure something, as compared to milotic, who rose, which always feels terrible to use in comparison personally. regenerator is always going to be incredibly useful (to the point where slowking actually pressures garganacl) and people dont respect it enough. i didn't have it carry an ompl game for it to get disrespected like this

 

[Solosis]

The Speed Tiers have been updated! Huge shoutouts to Mincera31 and zastra for helping me create this

(Let us know if you find any mistakes)

 

[Solosis]

Mix and Mega (Peak #1)

"after spamming rain a lot and maintaining its 100% winrate (not just me, every player whos touched it) LR * might * be a little too much” said zastra.

And honestly? He’s not even exaggerating about that 100% win rate. I managed to peak ladder with his version of a Rain team (with a few tweaks) at nearly 90% win rate (basically 100%, right?)

It was genuinely surprising to see how good (and underrated) Rain teams actually are, and imo, the current VR doesn’t really reflect that at all.

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Warning: Hot Takes Ahead!!

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[B -> A-]
Yeah, this combo is straight-up broken, and B is just way too low for them. Archaludon in the rain absolutely shreds through teams, outspeeds most threats, and sets up with ease. It also doesn't care much about Altarianite ESpeed users. Even Great Tusk, the best Ground-type in the tier, gets cooked by Draco Meteor (unless it surprises you with Altarianite, which... fair).

Realistically, the only consistent switch-ins are stuff like Hippowdon, Clodsire, maybe Groundceus (but SpD Arceus? ew ew), and a few random post-mega Charizardite Y users if they manage to catch your Electro Shot (fsr I matched a lot against Yardite Volcarona). If your team doesn’t have any of those? You’re basically forced to sack 3–4 mons, stall out rain, or somehow chip it and clean up with ESpeed (which isn’t exactly easy).

Super solid mon, and more people should give Rain teams a shot. Part of me also just wants them to rise to A- so I can write an analysis on them :3
(Also yes, Pelipper to A- too (because rain). And no Zastra, I do not want to hear your “individually bad mon” argument.)

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[B -> B+]
Another Rain abuser I used on my team. I don’t think it’s quite A- material, but B+ feels perfect. It’s fast, hits hard, and has the absolutely busted Last Respects. Bit of a matchup fish, sure, but I still think it’s actually better than people expect. Not just because of Last Respects, but because it's a genuinely great Water-type wallbreaker in Rain. (Honestly? I’d argue Basc >> Urshifu on Rain.)

Funny thing: out of all the games I played, I probably only needed Last Respects in like 10–15% of them. Archaludon usually swept, and my ESpeed mon just cleaned up whatever scraps were left.

Also, side note (to Zastra & QT), you people should probably just ban/suspect Last Respects uwu

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[A+ -> S] (also add Ampharosite)
Honestly, seeing Magearna sitting in the same rank as Raging Bolt and Zamazenta kind of scratches my brain the wrong way. It’s just so splashable and consistently performs. Like, 90% of my teams include Magearna, it’s practically default at this point.

Whether it’s the classic BoltBeam, Fleur Cannon, Grass Knot, or even Spikeless Encore sets, it always puts in work. I get that Iron Moth and Entei are becoming more popular, but hey, we just lost Ceruledge, so it balances out.

It just makes sense for Mage to join Tusk and Eleki in S, two of the most splashable mons in the tier (Mage has almost the same splashability (is that even a word?)).

As for Ampharosite, I actually think it’s a decent stone for Magearna. I didn't use it in my rain team, but I have used AmphaMage in the past. Sure, the Dragon typing is… interesting, but Mold Breaker for Spikes stacking and the boosted SpA kind of make it work. Plus, it keeps the slow pivot thing going, which is always nice.

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Huge shoutout to Time2Bonk, since he was probably the first person to bring up the Rain archetype (and made us realize that it’s broken).