ooh, i actually really like the concept of eject pack tusk. as for taunt over spinner, i don't really know, but that does seem like a solid way to shut down defog, wish, setup, etc. this might go hard on a sun team that really likes the momentum eject pack brings
don't quite think Tusk needs Ice Spinner on Sun, as a lot of Sun's heavy hitters just smack Gliscor and even Lando-T too hard (Raging Bolt, Walking Wake, Roaring Moon, etc.), hence why I dropped Spinner for Taunt (and also Taunt just denies Toxic Scor fuck you Toxic Scor)
No, this is not true at all.
That was not actually the case. The reason Espathra was banned was 'cause Tera Blast let it beat Steel-type Pokemon that would otherwise manhandle it. Stored Power was not the issue.
Temper flare feels optimal, but I’ve been running Headlong Ice Spinner Temper Flare Rapid Spin and eject button to have double eject button double healing wish with ntails and hatt.
To be frank, you don't seem like you have a lot of investment in the tier. You must see how the whole 'we should retest in groups' idea would not reflect a change to the metagame that active players are invested in, but a very different one. It doesn't really matter how Palafin and Annihilape, which are both banned, interact with each other; it matters how they change the real metagame. I think tiering should be catering to the people that spend a lot of time playing the tier and look to improve the tier from there, not the people that might be more interested if it were to change in x, y, or z ways.
I don’t see the point of suspecting anything for the rest of the gen. There’s a 0% chance anything is banned. If the council suspects a Mon it’s just to feel like they’re doing something.
In 2024, 4 mons were suspected without being banned. Gliscor got a 57% ban vote. Kyurem got 59% and 58% ban votes. All of these could have been banned if just a handful more people got reqs or if the ban side convinced more voters in the suspect thread. Gouging Fire, the only mon that didn’t have a super close vote, was later tested again and overwhelmingly banned.
And must reiterate that the 59% Kyurem vote was literally 1 vote away from a ban (not just 1%, 1 vote period), without discussing what else we know about that whole fiasco.
I'm going to start running Blissy at this rate.I don’t think it means the meta is lost or anything. I just do not see how Kyurem, about as close to a broken without being broken Pokemon, could not be banned and anything else could be. “If you don’t like the meta, don’t play” is a pretty weak/unfair argument you can just say that to anyone who doesn’t like the meta at any point. Voicing dissent in a public forum is typically a good way to create change!
Sorry for misrepresenting your original post. Often that argument comes from people who don’t care about or like the tier at all and are just doom posting for no reason. There’s a difference between disliking a couple mons in the tier and disliking the core foundation of the tier (which is fine btw, you just shouldn’t then try to turn the tier into something it’s not).
as much of a shitter as kyurem is and as much as i want it out of the tier, waiting until after spl is definitely the right move here. i don't think you should construe a lack of posts in the pr thread as a lack of support, though. if anything, take it as a sign that we as a playerbase are tired. the second kyurem suspect drained a lot of people of their enthusiasm. we want it gone but don't believe it can be done
i feel like everyone has an idea of what they want done next with the tier but nobody can really agree what the best course of action really is and rally around a specific mon
This is the reason I can never vote this gen too negatively as a whole. Some people count the success of a tier as the amount of viable play styles, and that is true. I also see it as having a high amount of options, to the point where your team can benefit more from an NU pick than anything else in OU.
or you could bring checks to ghold? gambit and darkrai do a good job of this and should slot in pretty solidly to (what i assume is) a balance team. NP darkrai is a solid wallbreaker and gambit is good on every playstyle by proxy of... being gambit.
This is what I've been doing off and on. Darkrai feels like easily the best Vileplume partner, and its ability to NP or Sub on the switch out is great. Quite frankly forms as a good duo due to Darkrai also threatening a lot of stall while Vileplume walls anything that comes its way off and on thru a mix of Rocky Helmet and Spore effects.
Its fine if the pokemon doesn't do a whole lot to a mon, but can still make progress (like eeveeto said with corv/skarm against ghold), but if you are letting a pokemon for absolutely free every single time you enter the field, then that's not good at all. Vileplume can't even heal itself off ghold, which means ghold+waterpon is just going to beat it. That means waterpon will eventually be able to beat vileplume by just clicking ivy cudgel and then hard switching to ghold. And the whole reason why you are using vileplume is to beat waterpon.
