New and "creative" moveset/EV spread thread "Mark 2"

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Heatran/Scizor Lure
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Celebi@Choice Scarf
Modest Nature
4 HP/252 satk/252 speed
trick
earth power
leaf storm/grass knot
hp fire/psychic

psychic i find is more useful (eg random mence switches) but the purpose of the set is really to lure out heatran/scizor and then cripple something random later. you always outspeed scarftran btw (in fact you only need 279 speed or -80 speed evs but max speed is nice for all the random 285 stuff post trick)
 
"SubShockRise" @ Leftovers
126 attack 126 def 126 HP, 126speed, 6spD

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-Substitute
-Magnet Rise
-ThunderPunch
-Ice Punch


This set is just lawl. Electivire gets pretty bulky and with no weakness(AFTER MAGNET RISE) The sub won't be fading so fast. Hopefully I'd be able to set this up after a motor drive. Swampert can't do much to it in a sub except for waterfall or roar it. This is just a random set lol :(
no offense but that is probably the dumbest ev spread i have ever seen
by putting 126 points in a stat you are pretty much wasting 2 evs because you only get a point for every 4 evs.
but it really doesnt matter because the set wont work anyway, even with no weakness e-vire still has those crappy 75/67/85 defenses so it will still die pretty quickly.
 
Special Scarf

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Exploud@ Choice scarf
timid
Ev's: 12 hp/252 sp atk/ 244 speed (may need correction if im wrong)
Moves:
- hyper voice
- surf
- shock wave/ ice beam
- ice beam/focus blast/extrasensory/ hp ground/ shadow ball/ flamethrower

Well, this is something ive been contemplating in my head for a while now. The 244 ev's get this to 384 speed (please correct me if im wrong and tell em the proper ev amount to get there) so it is just enough to out speed a + speed 252 Swellow and you could kill it with a surprise shockwave or ice beam.
Also the normal/water type combo ensures you hit every pokemon in the game for atleast neutral except for empoleon (and if you wanted to use this in standard you would probably have shockwave anyways)

and the rest of the moves are pretty much fillers depending on what types you want to hit




if someone could please check to see if my speed after scarf is correct?



EDIT:
bolded spots i messed up on before
EDIT2:
crap forgot it doesn't learn thunderbolt
its shockwave :/
 
Platinum Aero Support Lead:

Aerodactyl @ Focus Sash
Nature: Hasty/Mild
EVs: 194 Atk, 64 SpA, 252 Spe
- Stealth Rock
- Taunt/Stone Edge
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake

A little different than standard. Now that Aero is OU, it needs a way to beat Platinum's top threats: Heatran, Scizor. Scizor especially as it'll Bullet Punch you to death. Set up your rocks, as Scizor comes in... as it Bullet Punches and breaks your sash you OHKO with Fire Blast. The EVs garuntee you KO after it's has taken Life Orb damage, and has a chance to even if it didn't. Earthquake KO's Heatran if it gets any bright ideas, coming in expecting Fire Blast. Taunt is just a good move in general, but Stone Edge is good STAB and it'll kill things like Yanmega right off the back if it lacks Protect.

Fire Blast does rather pathetic damage to Bronzong however: Damage: 30.77% - 36.39% on 252/96 Bronzong
Taunting it is always good though.

Anymore comments?
 
Last Resort Snorlax

Snorlax @ Chesto berry
Immunity - Adamant
Evs: 200 Atk / 52 Hp / 200 Def / 52 SpD
- Belly Drum
- Rest
- Last Resort
- Fire Punch

This Snorlax is a bit gimmicky, but i have been able to pull it off with Double Screen Deoxys or Encore Support. Just like any other Belly Drum user, if they give you 2 turns its almost an asured sweep.

the way it works is turn 1 Belly Drum, Turn 2 and 3 Rest and Fire punch (use first what u consider the better) and for the 4th turn you can use Now Last Resort since u have already used all the other moves. Rest Restores the Damage Caused by belly drum, or anyother pokes. And then proceed to sweep alterning Fire Punch and Last Resort. The only Thing this snorlax has problems with is Heatran.
 
I don't know if this set was already suggested but here it is anyway:

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Lapras@Leftovers

Set Name: Bulky Perish Trapper
Bold
EVs: 252 HP/100 Def./152 SpD

-Perish Song
-Whirlpool
-Ice Beam
-Protect

The nature is to boost one of its' stats that is one of the weaker ones, this goes also along with why the EVs are the way they are. Max HP for maximum survivability, I decided to split the defense EVs to be a generally bulky perish songer to last longer. Whirlpool is there to trap the opponent along with getting some damage in, Ice Beam is for an actual STAB attack. Protect can either be for more stalling, scouting or for free lefties recovery. That's the set and sorry if it was already suggested.
 
Last Resort Snorlax

Snorlax @ Chesto berry
Immunity - Adamant
Evs: 200 Atk / 52 Hp / 200 Def / 52 SpD
- Belly Drum
- Rest
- Last Resort
- Fire Punch

This Snorlax is a bit gimmicky, but i have been able to pull it off with Double Screen Deoxys or Encore Support. Just like any other Belly Drum user, if they give you 2 turns its almost an asured sweep.

the way it works is turn 1 Belly Drum, Turn 2 and 3 Rest and Fire punch (use first what u consider the better) and for the 4th turn you can use Now Last Resort since u have already used all the other moves. Rest Restores the Damage Caused by belly drum, or anyother pokes. And then proceed to sweep alterning Fire Punch and Last Resort. The only Thing this snorlax has problems with is Heatran.

I don't quite see how Heatran is going to frighten Snorlax at all. Heatran can do almost nothing to Snorlax and Snorlax can do a lot of damage with a STAB Last Resort. Even an NVE Last Resort has about 95 base damage. For this reason alone, I would go with Crunch, to deal with ghosts.

Also, I don't see how this is going to sweep anything as a STAB Close Combat of pretty much any pokemon is going to kill this. I would definitely place this under extremely gimmicky.
 
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Infernape (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Fire Blast
- Endeavor
- Vacuum Wave
- Stealth Rock
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This is actually a really bad set. I tried testing it. I managed to set up Stealth Rock a few times, Endeavor 1/15 times, and it was generally worthless. With the current metagame, this Infernape cannot beat any of the common leads. It even loses to Tyranitar of all things. Deoxys just Taunts you and sets up, everything else is faster with the abundance of Scarf Leads. This set just doesn't perform in the current metagame. The only thing it actually worked on was a lead Starmie that lacked Leftovers.
 
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Lucario @ Choice Scarf
Naughty Nature
Inner Focus
Evs: 186 Atk / 224 SAtk / 100 Spd
- Close Combat
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Stone Edge
- Crunch

A slightly more Physical version of the ScarfLuke in the analysis. Its main purpose is to be a mighty revenge killa :D

The EVs may need to be adjusted, but 100 Speed is enough to outspeed non-scarfed versions of Gengar and Azelf. 186 Attack guarentees a OHKO on all Blisseys (except 252/252 Bold) and Tyranitar with Close Combat. Crunch 2HKOs standard versions of Starmie and usually a OHKO on Gengar. 252 SAtk makes for a OHKO on Gliscor out of a Sandstorm and takes a hefty chunk out of Salamence and Dragonite. I haven't run calcs on Stone Edge, but it is your best choice against things like Gyarados and Zapdos.

Again, feedback on nature/EVs would be helpful. :)

there's already a scarfluke in the analysis
 
Last Resort Snorlax

Snorlax @ Chesto berry
Immunity - Adamant
Evs: 200 Atk / 52 Hp / 200 Def / 52 SpD
- Belly Drum
- Rest
- Last Resort
- Fire Punch

You would have to Bellydrum again if you want Last Resort to work a second and a third time which is just too unfeasible.
 
Let's see how this works:

CM Deoxy-S @ Life Orb/Leftovers
Nature: Modest??
EVs: 252 HP, 252 SpA, 6 Def
- Calm Mind
- Recover/Substitute
- Thunderbolt/Psychic
- Ice Beam/Grass Knot

Kind of strapped for moveslots, but this could work well. Not sure on Nature, or EVs. Taunt isn't needed because after a few Calm Minds, Skarmory won't be whirlwinding you away anytime soon when you have Thunderbolt, Vaporeon won't be roaring, Hippo won't if you have Grass Knot or Ice Beam, and neither will Swampert most of the time. The idea is simple, boost up to insane levels, against incoming Pokemon like Blissey. Substitute will let you win against it most of the time, but who can forgoe instant recovery? Life Orb with Recover, Leftovers with Sub. Bolt Beam has best coverage, but there are many other options.

I like this idea, but I'd go with:

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Deoxys-s @ Leftovers
Timid - Pressure
252 Special Attack - 160 Hit Points - 96 Speed
Calm Mind
Substitute
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt

Timid + 96 Speed EV's allow you to outspeed all the standard things he would normally outspeed. Ice Beam and Thunderbolt gives it BoltBeam coverage while Substitute gives it something to sit behind to ensure Calm Mind goes off without you dieing. Leftovers instead of Life Orb since the set is running Substitute.
 
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Lucario @ Choice Scarf
Naughty Nature
Inner Focus
Evs: 186 Atk / 224 SAtk / 100 Spd
- Close Combat
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Stone Edge
- Crunch

A slightly more Physical version of the ScarfLuke in the analysis. Its main purpose is to be a mighty revenge killa :D

The EVs may need to be adjusted, but 100 Speed is enough to outspeed non-scarfed versions of Gengar and Azelf. 186 Attack guarentees a OHKO on all Blisseys (except 252/252 Bold) and Tyranitar with Close Combat. Crunch 2HKOs standard versions of Starmie and usually a OHKO on Gengar. 252 SAtk makes for a OHKO on Gliscor out of a Sandstorm and takes a hefty chunk out of Salamence and Dragonite. I haven't run calcs on Stone Edge, but it is your best choice against things like Gyarados and Zapdos.

Again, feedback on nature/EVs would be helpful. :)

I did this same set some time ago... and I got infracted and my post dleted I dont know why..., also I tried to post it on the Analysis workshop alnside the "special" version, and we determined that the "special" , was more effective... oh and you forgot to mention Blaze Kick as an option instead of Stone Edge...
 
Metagross @ Liechi Berry
Clear Body: Adamant
124 HP, 252 Attack, 132 Speed
Meteor Mash
Earthquake
Agility
Substitute

Maybe I'm retarded for trying this, but it has worked out really well. Beats Scarftran after an agility and HP is divisible by four so liechi activates on the 3rd sub.
 
Gimmicky =0

Exeggutor (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 6 Atk/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Leaf Storm
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Sleep Powder
- Explosion

+ Speed allows you to outspeed + Base speed pokemon. Hidden Power Ice is mainly for hitting dragons hard. Considering dropping Sleep Powder for a third attack, mainly STAB Psychic.
 
I did this same set some time ago... and I got infracted and my post dleted I dont know why..., also I tried to post it on the Analysis workshop alnside the "special" version, and we determined that the "special" , was more effective... oh and you forgot to mention Blaze Kick as an option instead of Stone Edge...

Hmm, well I deleted the post just in case.
What I don't get is why that isn't allowed, but these massive Lead Infernape posts are. :/

And I forgot about blaze kick. o.o
 


You would have to Bellydrum again if you want Last Resort to work a second and a third time which is just too unfeasible.
Do you mean that 1.if you switch after belly drum or 2. you have to reuse every move after each use of Last Resort? 1 is correct but you won't be switching alot after belly drum anyway. 2 is wrong, once every move except Last Resort self, you can use it and keep using it.
 
Steal Purugly:

Purugly @ Life Orb
Jolly Natured
Ability : Thick Fat
252 Speed / 252 Atk / 4 HP

4 steps.

1) Hypnosis
2) Swagger like 2 times depending if they wake up Hpynosis again
3) Psyche Up (Steal his Sd's basically)
4) Slash Away

Moveset:

Hypnosis
Swagger
Pysche Up
Slash

comments?
 
hypnosis's new accuracy will make that set pretty unreliable, not mention that with slash as your only attack you are completely walled by ghosts and mostly walled by rocks and steals,
if you really want to try the set though replace slash with return, it has much higher base power 102 vs. 70
 
SCARFPRAS!

Lapras@Choice Scarf
Modest
Surf
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt
Psychic
252 speed/252 special attack/4 HP

People don't expect Lapras to be fast, and they don't expect it to hit reasonably hard. This set can beat Swampert pretty reliably - switch in on the Stealth Rocks turn and then Ice Beam or Surf away.

It's also incredibly gimmicky!

Also, focus sash/counter blissey is hilarious.
 
Wow, I almost think that there are no more new and "innovative" sets to be listed. As in the last 3+ pages the best thing to come of them is the TrickZong. This thread has pretty much turned into "take set from random poke X and move onto poke Y". Meh..

IMO, if you are going to post it probably should be a Mixed attacker. As defensive sets have been beat into the ground almost to where they are not going to change. Life Orb, E-Belt, and Mixed attack Choice Items sets will probably grab more attention/ be more effective to post. Example:

Crobat
@Life Orb
152 Attack 252 SpAtk 152Spe
Nasty Plot
Sludge Bomb/ Air Slash
Brave Bird
Heat Wave/ Hp Ground

*Note this is not a "real" set as the Ev's are horribly misplaced.

Hypothetically, Brave Bird 2HKOs Blissey who would stop your special sweep. Heat Wave for Steel's or Hp Ground for Heatran. Sludge Bomb or Air Slash for stab. NP Boosts SpAtk. To me looks like a pretty solid set. (Bias obv). Instead of...

Crobat
@ Choice Scarf
40Hp 252Atk 216Spe
Brave Bird
Cross Poison
U-Turn
Hypnosis

*Again "Fake" set.

It's to easy to slap a Choice Item on a poke and give it the "best" moves and then claim it as yours/ new/ unique.

Anyways, IMO.

EDIT:
Instead of posting those kind of sets here. Why not write up an analysis for them? Found Here.
 
DP Beautifly

Well a few days ago I was lurking through the Analysis Workshop and found saw the DP Mothim set. I was fascinated with it and thought it could work well with Beautifly. However, I do not know anything about under used (which is one of the reasons why this isn't in the Analysis Workshop) and therefore I should not have made a set for an under used Pokemon, but I did anyways. This is somewhat common to the Stun Spore set already in the analysis so this would probably sit in the "Other Options" section. Anyway, Beautifly is cool and it would be awesome to sweep a team with it, or at least faint one pokemon.

Edit: So yeah, it's basically a big rip off of the Mothim Analysis ^^.

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/beautifly
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[SET]
name: Stun and Swarm!
move 1: Stun Spore
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Bug Buzz
move 4: Shadow Ball / Hidden Power Ground
item: Petaya Berry
nature: Modest
evs: 6 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
ivs: 30 HP

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>While at first a Swarm set on Beautifly may not look as effective as a Swarm set on Mothim, Beautifly has one key quality that Mothim lacks. This quality consists of the move Stun Spore which allows Beautifly to paralyze faster opponents to support both itself and its team while preparing for a sweep. However, it is recommended that you do not replace Stun Spore with another attack otherwise it would be inferior to the same set on Mothim. This set works similar to Swarm Mothim in how this set is a one time use only. Beautifly should only be brought out late game on something like a Choice Band Close Combat. After Beautifly has successfully switched in, proceed to Substitute down to activate the Petaya Berry and Swarm, making Bug Buzz 2.25 times more powerful. This gives Beautifly's Bug Buzz more power than a Modest Life Orb Deoxys-A's Psychic. Not even a 252 HP / 252 SpD Hypno can survive Beautifly's max powered Bug Buzz.</p>

<p>Thankfully, unlike the other Pokemon cursed with the worthless Bug/Flying type, this version of Beautifly doesn't fear Stealth Rock. Actually, Stealth Rocks allows Beautifly to get the boost after a single Substitute. If you can get into a pokemon that will flee from you, such as Meganium, you can get up your Substitute on the switch out. Your opponents so called "counter" will have to face the horrifying figure of a Beautifly with 459 Special Attack hiding safely behind a Substitute. Given the fact that Beautifly is so slow, the Substitute prevents faster opponents from ruining your sweep and allows you to paralyze them with Stun Spore.</p>

<p>Beautifly's fourth move slot may be changed according to what your team fears most. Shadow Ball hits with Rotom and Drifblim for super-effective damage, but Hidden Power Ground helps with Steelix and Probopass who you would otherwise fail against. Personally, I prefer Hidden Power Ground because in my experience most roar users are like Steelix and Aggron, both being hit hard by Hidden Power Ground in the slight chance you are roared in by either of them. You could also use Hidden Power Ice over Hidden Power Ground but it doesn't do much outside destroying Altaria. The 30 HP IV is even to allow you to get your boost after three Substitutes instead of four, as well as allowing help with the Stealth Rock strategy outlined in the second paragraph. Using a Salac Berry over a Petaya Berry is not recommended, as the reduced power will be very disappointing.</p>
 
Credit goes to a friend of mine for this set. Went by Sasuke2222 on shoddy, but I think he's retired from shoddy now.

This set works WONDERS when you have screens up with DS Deoxys. It can work alone as well though.

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Slowbro Trick Room/Belly Drum Sweep
Slowbro @ Leftovers
Ability: Own Tempo
EVs: 252 HP/76 Atk/180 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Aqua Tail
- Zen Headbutt
- Trick Room
- Belly Drum

I'm not sure about the EVs, but man does this thing sweep. Switch in to a ScarfTran stuck on Flamethrower or w/e, and Trick Room on the switch. Then Belly Drum while your opponent hits you with something. I've had people use Explosion on him and he lived with 29% hp left after the BD. (I had Reflect up of course.) For me he gets like 3 kills a game. Sometimes more if his lefties give him enough HP to Trick Room again.

It's usually easy as hell to set up. No one expects it, so they just try to stat up or something expecting you to switch. It's a fun set. Works best with DS Deoxys setting up screens like I said.

Opnions? I know it works because I've used it many times, but are there any better suggestions as far as EVs and such go?
 
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