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Articuno has Awful typing, that is awful spelled awfuckingtheworsttypeinthefuckinggame.
Won't stop it from subRoosting regardless since it has pretty damn good stats to back up its strategies.
You could just throw it out turn one, and since it's faster than 90% of all Pokes that use Stone Edge, you'll get up a Sub and Roost before they hit you. It's not really dying to anything else not named that. =/
You could just throw it out turn one, and since it's faster than 90% of all Pokes that use Stone Edge, you'll get up a Sub and Roost before they hit you. It's not really dying to anything else not named that. =/
It can' switch in to anything with descent speed and power. If it is forced out before roosting it is screwed.
After testing, electabuzz actually did really well, especiellay against weather teams. With fire punch agaist grass types, thunderbolt against water types, cross chop takes out ice and rocks with their boosted sp. def.
Another NFE I found surprissingly good was scarf machoke. Bring him in on something slow like regice and fire off dynamic punches like a crazy person.
Another NFE I found surprissingly good was scarf machoke. Bring him in on something slow like regice and fire off dynamic punches like a crazy person.
Gligar's base speed is 85, just so you know.
I've been seeing alot of Bibarel leads in my NU battles, and my Relicanth often can either setup Stealth Rock, or defeat them. Dusclops as mentioned earlier is an awesome Pokemon, and with Pressure, can stall really well.
I'm trying a bulky NU team with Relicanth, Regice, Tangrowth, Dusclops, Rhydon, and something else, and it's been functioning pretty well.
Not to mention that Magneton has a whopping 13 resistances too (most resistances of any Pokemon in the game)!
He's also got the 3rd highest Special Attack in NU! His Thunderbolt is insanely powerful. It's stronger than Raikou's, actually.
I'm quite liking Magneton here. It reminds me of when he was OU, a few years back.
I find that sand and hail are more popular.
Stonequake, although it may not be as good as it is in OU, is still used in NU.
Yeah but then we still have sweepers that can easily be used in OU but aren't just because there are better alternatives. The walls simply don't have enough staying power.
After testing some NU Pokemon in unrated matches, there are a couple of Pokemon that have really stood out in my tests.
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Choice Scarf Wailord is an incredible lead, it can destroy many popular threats with an extremely powerful Water Spout. It also gets all the coverage it needs in Water-Ice, and it has Selfdestruct to explode on a threat to your team. The only lead it can't touch is Bibarel, who makes an effective set-up Pokemon.
Tangrowth + Regice is one of the best defensive combos at this point. It stops physical threats like Tauros, Rhydon, Relicanth, and Ursaring, and special threats like Glaceon, Slowking, Manectric, and Grass-types. Regice also functions as a good status absorber.
Relicanth is a great late-game sweeper with adequate support, because with Waterfall / Head Smash / Earthquake everything is going down and getting outsped after a Rock Polish. Just make sure to get rid of Tangrowth before setting up, as you'll get destroyed. Relicanth is also awesome because it resists common priority moves and takes little damage from Mach Punch.
Hail teams work pretty well. Snover leads supply the hail, Cloyster provides Toxic Spikes, Dusclops is good for anti-Rapid Spinning, Walrien is...Walrien, and then throw on a Ursaring counter and another Pokemon and you're good to go!
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This metagame is incredibly fun, I can't wait for the ladder to come.
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Choice Scarf Wailord is an incredible lead, it can destroy many popular threats with an extremely powerful Water Spout. It also gets all the coverage it needs in Water-Ice, and it has Selfdestruct to explode on a threat to your team. The only lead it can't touch is Bibarel, who makes an effective set-up Pokemon.
Tangrowth + Regice is one of the best defensive combos at this point. It stops physical threats like Tauros, Rhydon, Relicanth, and Ursaring, and special threats like Glaceon, Slowking, Manectric, and Grass-types. Regice also functions as a good status absorber.
Relicanth is a great late-game sweeper with adequate support, because with Waterfall / Head Smash / Earthquake everything is going down and getting outsped after a Rock Polish. Just make sure to get rid of Tangrowth before setting up, as you'll get destroyed. Relicanth is also awesome because it resists common priority moves and takes little damage from Mach Punch.
Hail teams work pretty well. Snover leads supply the hail, Cloyster provides Toxic Spikes, Dusclops is good for anti-Rapid Spinning, Walrien is...Walrien, and then throw on a Ursaring counter and another Pokemon and you're good to go!
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This metagame is incredibly fun, I can't wait for the ladder to come.
Honestly, I have not found Dusclops to be all that wally. He can't switch into non-resisted attacks like his Evo can. He took about 60% from a Gastrodon's Surf...
Dusknoir can take boosted neutral hits in OU? Since when? Do you really think 5 extra bases make that big of a difference?
You're not supposed to use Dusclops as an all-purpose wall (40 base HP should tell you that). You use it as a bulky spin-blocker and playing to the resistances and immunities that the Ghost type offers.
I really like the new "NU", because there are many things to try out
My lead is a Floatzel@Lum with AquaJet/Waterfall/BB/Taunt which's working rather well.
The #1 sweeper in my team ist a mixed agility Pikachu:
After doubling it's speed there's nothing faster than Pikachu, and with the ATK raises its absolutly destructive
My lead is a Floatzel@Lum with AquaJet/Waterfall/BB/Taunt which's working rather well.
The #1 sweeper in my team ist a mixed agility Pikachu:
After doubling it's speed there's nothing faster than Pikachu, and with the ATK raises its absolutly destructive
I think that NU should be renamed. I'll leave that up to the big shots to decide, but the name is bound to be misinterpreted often, so I think that it deserves a different name.
You should be suprised how powerful lead scarf wailord is
No one wants to play NU at 6:00 am on Easter so I'll post about it instead. These are some Pokémon I see often:
- Sandslash. Pretty much the only spinner not itself weak to SR (besides Hitmonchan, whom I've never seen spin once), and definately the most common spinner in NU. Is also wickedly bulky - can take LO Rhydon on and come out on top.
- Floatzel. Both in and out of rain it can wreak havok, being at the top speed tier. It's awful frail, though.
- Rhydon and Tangrowth, and no mystery there.
- Articuno is more common than Regice. I've seen mostly tank sets on Articuno.
What I don't see much of:
- Snover + Walrein. I thought this combo was going to dominate. Maybe I'm just not fighting enough people.
- Priority attacks. Fake Out leads are not that common, considering their usefulness in other tiers. Mach Punchers are rare (just Hitmonchan really), as are Aqua Jetters (just Floatzel, who often has better uses for the moveslot in Ice Punch/Brick Break/Crunch/Bulk Up/Taunt) and Sucker Punchers. Ice Shard is not seen as most Ice types are Special (Articuno, Glaceon, Regice). Extremespeed is only found on Linoone who goes unused for his inability to set up.
- Trick. It just isn't as common as it is in the higher tiers.
I might try a CB Linoone as a general purpose check/revenge killer, since it is the most powerful priority user in NU. With Extremespeed it could finish off offensive threats like nobody's business, especially weather-boosted, LO-weakened sweepers, which are the hardest to take down. It could also Trick away its Band when it gets tired of it. Your opponent may be reluctant to switch out to a resist, lest you Drum, and thus stay in to be 2HKO'd.
- Sandslash. Pretty much the only spinner not itself weak to SR (besides Hitmonchan, whom I've never seen spin once), and definately the most common spinner in NU. Is also wickedly bulky - can take LO Rhydon on and come out on top.
- Floatzel. Both in and out of rain it can wreak havok, being at the top speed tier. It's awful frail, though.
- Rhydon and Tangrowth, and no mystery there.
- Articuno is more common than Regice. I've seen mostly tank sets on Articuno.
What I don't see much of:
- Snover + Walrein. I thought this combo was going to dominate. Maybe I'm just not fighting enough people.
- Priority attacks. Fake Out leads are not that common, considering their usefulness in other tiers. Mach Punchers are rare (just Hitmonchan really), as are Aqua Jetters (just Floatzel, who often has better uses for the moveslot in Ice Punch/Brick Break/Crunch/Bulk Up/Taunt) and Sucker Punchers. Ice Shard is not seen as most Ice types are Special (Articuno, Glaceon, Regice). Extremespeed is only found on Linoone who goes unused for his inability to set up.
- Trick. It just isn't as common as it is in the higher tiers.
I might try a CB Linoone as a general purpose check/revenge killer, since it is the most powerful priority user in NU. With Extremespeed it could finish off offensive threats like nobody's business, especially weather-boosted, LO-weakened sweepers, which are the hardest to take down. It could also Trick away its Band when it gets tired of it. Your opponent may be reluctant to switch out to a resist, lest you Drum, and thus stay in to be 2HKO'd.
Man, I actually finished my team at like 4, and didn't see anyone to play Unrated with. Shame I missed you this morning.
Isn't Cacturne's sucker punch stronger? Not that you can slap a CB on that, though. Sounds like it would work, as I myself would stay in on Linoone to whack the damn mole.
Anyway, today is when I finally get to test my team.
Though being Easter doesn't offer too much of a time window.
I think the problem with all that "NU", is that some of the pokemon that are there, actually do great OU, hell, even in Ubers (Parasect). When NU started, i thought something like "Finally a tier where weak, but funny in use Pokemon can shine." And what do we got? If i'll try to use PetaYanma, i'll get stopped cold by RegiIce. Uncool. Why should i choose CurseDon for Walling, when i can use Tangrowth. And what about Petaya Agility Venomoth? Why should i choose it, when I can have SubPetaya Manectric with his 105/105 sweeping stats. They're just ten point's less than Raikou's, which was Limbo/OU. You may say, that NU shouldn't be so called "Luvdisc Tier". But hell, we NEED something like "Luvdisc Tier". We should have balanced tiers, and In OU there should be good, strong mons. In UU there should be mons that can't compete with these in OU, but against other pokemon from that tier, they still do good. And in NU there should be pokemons like Yanma, Luvdisc, Lumineon, Torkoal. They sure can't be compared against mons from OU or UU, but when u compare Yanma against Lumineon, they are pretty balanced.
P.S I hope you understanded just a little bit of this. My English is like Luvdisc when compared to yours, which is like Kyogre xD
P.S I hope you understanded just a little bit of this. My English is like Luvdisc when compared to yours, which is like Kyogre xD
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