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HGSS Megaspeculation Thread

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Hey, I just remembered something. Remember how there was that strange unused Gastrodon form? Maybe it's Johto Gastrodon.

From my recollection, I believe the weird Gastrodon form was actually the original design for Gastrodon when it was considered for inclusion in the Hoenn Pokedex, which was later altered when it was adopted into the Sinnoh Pokedex. I could not say for sure whether there will be another Gastrodon form in HeartGold and SoulSilver, but I think it is highly unlikely that there will be.

Here is a Bulbapedia link for the Diamond and Pearl Beta that shows the alternate back sprite for Gastrodon. The article explains that there is no existing front sprite.
 
Assuming NEP cannot become a normal Pichu, it's forever stuck in HG/SS. The only way NEP could revert to a normal Pichu is if GameFreak used one of the unused bits in the Pokemon checksum to denote an alternate sprite, but kept the same index number for the Pokemon itself, so that DPPt just views the bit as nothing and ignors it.

They did that to Shaymin, Giratina and Rotom. If you go to that Battle something (you know, the lady on the far right on the second floor of the Pokémon Centers) using a new form against D/P, the former will show it as the new form, and the latter as the "old form". Shaymin will look like its Land Form to D/P, but it will still be a Grass/Flying to both games.

So, it's safe to assume NE Pichu will appear as a ordinary Pichu to DPPt. And maybe will even be tradeable, just not showing her "true" sprite, obviously.

Will NEP have a seperate set of level-up moves, or will it have a different gender ratio or base stats? If so, then it will have to stay in HG/SS. In any other case, they may have developed a workaround.

Not necessarily. You can use Pokésav to transfer a Skymin to D/P and, even having a different checksum, D/P just doesn't care to it and consider that Skymin is a Shaymin. If NE Pichu has a different level-up list (we already know it has Pain Split, which is pretty unexpected... and useless to her), if ever traded to D/P, she would be a silly non-NE Pichu.

In the event that NEP is just a cosmetic alteration of a normal Pichu with some event moves (moves it cannot relearn with Heart Scales), then it also opens up the door for any other "visual quirks" GameFreak wants to implement in any other Pokemon. Say... uh... a Sharpedo with a scar over one of it's eyes, or a Mawile with a striped pattern, etc.

Funny that the breeding rumor would make all those "quirks" possible. But we still have no proof they're going to do it, unfortunately...

So, likewise, if they used one of those blank checksum bits to denote a range of Pokeball sprites outside the usual range (Heavy Ball, Level Ball, etc.), they could also assign it a normal pokeball bit for... say a regular pokeball. When a Snorlax in a Heavy Ball is located in HG/SS, it would show as being inside a Heavy Ball, as the game would know to override the Pokeball bit for the Heavy Ball bit. However, when traded to DPPt, the normally unused bit would be discarded, and it would show up as a normal Pokeball.

My thoughts exactly. DPPt showed us already new forms have no compatibility issues with old games (we can't use them on Wi-Fi because Game Freak is crazy, really), so Apricorns and Kurt's Balls can be easily solved. Any ball show in DPPt as a PokéBall, and they and the Apricorns go to new cases made specially for them, so no pokémon will be able to hold them, just like a Poffin or Pokéblock.

But, as I recall, it wasn't legally obtainable, and you needed a Gameshark to get it.

I had a link to a guide to get a Celebi in Crystal with no Gameshark... I don't remember now, but it had to do with Beat Up and the cloning glitch.

Basically, if NEP is just a regular Pichu with a different sprite, then everything should work just fine. BUT. But, if NEP has any other major differences to a normal Pichu, like stats, gender ratio or learned moves, then you'll never be able to trade it to DPPt.

Gender ratio doesn't matter (not only NE Pichu is female-only, but the gender is touched only when the PID is generated along with the pokémon) and I have already addressed the learned moves issue, but the stats may be a real problem. However, would NE Pikachu and NE Raichu have the same problem? Actually, will they even exist?
 
Just wanting to make sure, why is everybody calling it 'Pikachu-colored Pichu'? isn't it the same color as shiny Pichu? or is it not a shiny but with a different color (Pikachu's)?
 
Assuming NEP cannot become a normal Pichu, it's forever stuck in HG/SS. The only way NEP could revert to a normal Pichu is if GameFreak used one of the unused bits in the Pokemon checksum to denote an alternate sprite, but kept the same index number for the Pokemon itself, so that DPPt just views the bit as nothing and ignors it.

If I'm not mistaken, there are several unused bits in the Pokemon checksum, still. So really, it's still a coin toss.

Will NEP have a seperate set of level-up moves, or will it have a different gender ratio or base stats? If so, then it will have to stay in HG/SS. In any other case, they may have developed a workaround.

In the event that NEP is just a cosmetic alteration of a normal Pichu with some event moves (moves it cannot relearn with Heart Scales), then it also opens up the door for any other "visual quirks" GameFreak wants to implement in any other Pokemon. Say... uh... a Sharpedo with a scar over one of it's eyes, or a Mawile with a striped pattern, etc.

So, likewise, if they used one of those blank checksum bits to denote a range of Pokeball sprites outside the usual range (Heavy Ball, Level Ball, etc.), they could also assign it a normal pokeball bit for... say a regular pokeball. When a Snorlax in a Heavy Ball is located in HG/SS, it would show as being inside a Heavy Ball, as the game would know to override the Pokeball bit for the Heavy Ball bit. However, when traded to DPPt, the normally unused bit would be discarded, and it would show up as a normal Pokeball.

All just theories, mind you.

Likewise, by this theory the alternate color Gyarados need not remain an alternate color Gyarados but could be just as unique as the NEP or Pika-colored Pichu.
 
I have to say this....why do they need slightly altered pichus?

I just noticed all this and...PIKACHU COLORED PICHU?

Honestly it makes not sense to me, it seems like a copout.
 
Just wanting to make sure, why is everybody calling it 'Pikachu-colored Pichu'? isn't it the same color as shiny Pichu? or is it not a shiny but with a different color (Pikachu's)?
It's the official name for it, and we're using it to distinguish between the event Pichu and an ordinary shiny Pichu.
I have to say this....why do they need slightly altered pichus?

I just noticed all this and...PIKACHU COLORED PICHU?

Honestly it makes not sense to me, it seems like a copout.
It's just a shiny Pichu... The only new alteration is the Notched-Ear Pichu.
 
er pokerade, there wont be a "crystal version", crystal was a remake of g/s. A remake of a remake sounds crazy eh?
It's not a 'remake', but rather a third installment, just like Yellow/Emerald/Platinum, but yeah they won't make a 'Crystal remake'.
 
It's not a 'remake', but rather a third installment, just like Yellow/Emerald/Platinum, but yeah they won't make a 'Crystal remake'.

haha, a third installment of the game as in a...remake?

though is there anything more that needs to be known about hg/ss or is the bulk of info over
 
a remake would be pretty nearly the same in storyline the same, crystal is not the same, the story line is quite different, but yeah nintendo didn't make electric yellow they won't make ____ crystal either
 
a remake would be pretty nearly the same in storyline the same, crystal is not the same, the story line is quite different, but yeah nintendo didn't make electric yellow they won't make ____ crystal either

Actually, they'd have to do Ocean Blue, because Blue was the true third installment in Japan.

And about Crystal storyline, have you never noticed that Cianwood has that ledge on the north, just like Crystal? I'm not saying that part of the storyline will be in the remakes (along with Eusine), but it's something curious...
 
Well, we could use more information on more pokemon. Specifically if Celebi and Mewtwo are available in the games.

IIRC Mewtwo wasn't in the original G/S. It was 'captured' by another trainer before. If Nintendo decides to follow the same storyline, I don't think there will be a Mewtwo available.
 
IIRC Mewtwo wasn't in the original G/S. It was 'captured' by another trainer before. If Nintendo decides to follow the same storyline, I don't think there will be a Mewtwo available.
He's working with the theory that they're cramming in like everything that isn't in Platinum (apart from events). I mean, nobody would have expected the weather trio to show up, but they did. It seems the only remaining mysteries are Mewtwo, Celebi, and the Kanto and Hoenn starters.
 
IIRC Mewtwo wasn't in the original G/S. It was 'captured' by another trainer before. If Nintendo decides to follow the same storyline, I don't think there will be a Mewtwo available.

No one ever said Mewtwo was caught. Maybe defeated, but not caught. Actually, it was never said if Red even entered the Cerulean Cave, what's known is that the entrance (and maybe only the entrance) collapsed.
 
No one ever said Mewtwo was caught. Maybe defeated, but not caught. Actually, it was never said if Red even entered the Cerulean Cave, what's known is that the entrance (and maybe only the entrance) collapsed.

Hariyama used strength/rock smash!
And I bet defog would be needed to get through.

Anyway, pretty sure that the notched ear pichu thing leads to celebi. Where else would it go. Sucks about the jirachi thing being just a new place for the pokewalker. I was honestly thinking that mayby, just mayby, if you went to mt.moon, at the place where you found the clefairy, there would be the 4 meteors there, and jirachi would use draco meteor, and the meteors would glow, and a star would fall, and it would explode open, and out came deoxys....
I'm going off on a rant though. Seriously, theres not a lot to talk about, other than I really do think the game will be crammed full of event legendaries. Remember how in firered/leafgreen, at the end, one of the dogs would rome? that means that since we can now get the dogs again in johto, there may be something else roaming...latios/latias anyone?
 
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