If they actually did conspire to abuse the rules to keep a better player out and prevent him from ruining their chances later on, that's still just a part of the game. You do whatever it takes to win, and that includes abusing any and all loopholes that are presented to you, as long as what you do isn't blatantly against the rules.
Yea, but TBH we weren't thinking about that, nor did we even realize it at the time. It was the heat of the battle, ya know? Were not gonna calculate things like what can happen in our match, things that our match can affect, and the people who our match will effect.
Nah, I didn't mind, so long as it didn't screw me over in the future. Though I understand where you are coming from, I've delt with roughly the same situation before on my old forums (A Mod -banning- another member because he was beat in a Clan Match via cheap tactics).
They both already had a secured spot, all they did was screw everyone who they both played in previous rounds. And by breaking the rules, I didn't mean he would get DQ'd, I meant he would get the loss for that round, as the rules say.
No, he would have been locked in. His only loss would be in the final round to the guy with the best record, as explained by someone else in this thread too. I used to play Yugioh and I assume they both use the same tiebreaking procedure.
The part in bold is debatable. They both were locked in, and as Sidd said, in that situation I would play the game out. I also know how zerowing feels, as I remember in one of Yugioh's shonen jump tournaments, I was screwed out of a top 16 spot because two of my buddies who I beat ended up dropping, screwing up my tiebreaker causing me to come in 18th place, barely missing the top 16.
And if we did, it was not intentional. Nothing of the sort was even on my mind, just winning and securing a spot for another Smogoner, my opponent.
I'll admit, I don't know how zerowing would have placed, but no one else does either. He may still haven't made it in, but all I'm saying is it's a pretty bad thing to do. Read my reply to the following quote for my logic.
Please learn how swiss works first. Basically, by Vash and 616 having a draw instead of 616 losing, all of 616's opponents had a better tiebreaker than they would have, and all of Vash's opponents had a worse tiebreaker. If the players ahead of zerowing lost to 616, their tiebreaker would fall, while zerowing's would rise. As I said in my reply to the other quote, I don't know what would have happened because it didn't happen, and you shouldn't pretend like you're so sure nothing would have changed. And as a matter of fact, the one person they definitely did screw over was zerowing, as I already explained.
Sorry, I didn't mean same as in exactly the same calculation, but as both, in some way or another, being very similar in how they determine it, such as how they factor in how each player's opponents performed. However, I would still wager that the VGC and Pokemon TCG use the same calculations for tiebreakers, and that has a possibility as being the same as Yugioh's. However, I am sure that if 616 had lost he still would have made top 4. Remember, the longer you go undefeated, the better the tiebreaker because that means you get to play other, at that time, undefeated players. That means 616 did face the better players, and for a longer number of rounds. Also, I highly doubt they take into account how many Pokemon you have remaining when they determine the tiebreakers.
It's not false though. Everyone Vash beat would have had a better tiebreaker if he won. Losing to someone 4-0-1 is worse than losing to someone 5-0.
Well at least somebody see's things our way. :P
